Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[akselx]

Depends on what you mean by "enough", there are still years of their time together that he doesn't remember. Taking away even a year of somebody's memory can seriously change them as a person.

What he did remembered was enough for her. It's all started with his buying that green scarf, before that she was cautiously testing waters (taking him to coffee vending machine, to maybe carefully stimulate his memories through sense of taste).

Some of her verbiage early on led me to believe that previous iterations of Sensei were some other entities entirely, rather than the same person, who just did get quite far enough to gain his memories back. But maybe it's just her perception. Remember her reaction to being sent back when she was almost reset the first time? She was convinced that the Past Sensei were a fake and was actively blocking out his voice and face much the same way Akira used to block out Sekai.

 

[akselx]

Mate, bro, buddy, everyone, and i do mean everyone, has shit taste in music, without exception, because it's entirely subjective and for every fan there will be a hater. I myself simply do not enjoy 99% of male singers and about 95% of female ones, it is very rare for me to enjoy lyrics and of the ones that i do 95% are in a foreign language so the voice is just another instrument without meaning, if some music has lyrics you can be sure there is a 99.9% chance i will hate it and want it gone.

(I stared at the post for a while trying to figure out how to make it clear i'm not trying to be a dick but just putting on a bit of a performance amongst friends but i couldn't do it, so this addendum is to direct you to read it in the jovial spirit i meant it.)

How dare you to talk about subjectivity of personal preferences on the Internet of all places. Fuck you bro, get a taste of my mad Paint skills.

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[Moonflare]

Depends on what you mean by "enough", there are still years of their time together that he doesn't remember. Taking away even a year of somebody's memory can seriously change them as a person. Akira doesn't see New Maya as his Maya for that very reason. Maya may have felt the same way about him. I feel it's worth mentioning that New Maya has more memories of her time with Akira (Prime?) than Akira has of his time with Maya Prime.

These are very different things. Let me put it in a different way.

Is our Akira Niki's Akira? Going by your perspective he'd be just as "not enough" of an Akira to Niki as he was to Maya. He remembers only fragments of his past. Yet you don't see Niki and Ami questioning if "this" Akira is their Akira. They classify Akira as a person that has lost or is blocking part of their memories and that's it.

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Lastly, it doesn't escape me that there is a nuance to someone not being the same if losing their memories, and, well, yes - in that sense our Akira isn't her Akira. But neither would he be the Akira of anyone in this game.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

 

[akselx]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

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Hear, hear! Harken to the voice of wisdom.

 

[somedoodwhogames]

That’s Karin with Uta, right? If so—

ngl, kind of shocked she’s there. Also… do her boobs look smaller?

Honestly I thought it was Kirin, boobs too smol to be Karin. Karin's kinda tall and she isn't much taller than short Uta. She's also wearing Kirin's favorite high-rise anal floss under her daisy dukes.

 

[joshpeterson019]

Maybe I'm being stupid but I always thought our Akira was her Akira because he has the same personality of the old one while the other akiras were all different in addition to not being able to remember anything.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

Not that bad, is still closer to bad than average, and doesn't come close to good.

 

[Dc345]

Good Kid has an alright singer and a alright sound which is considered good when discussing indie bands. But it could be much much worse... we could have Nodokathon the sequel with the Smiths playing in the background.

 

[DeSkel15]

I don't follow, he is her Akira because he has remembered stuff from before the resets. None of the other Akiras seemed to have been able to do that. He's the Akira that managed to tell her again that he loved her. Sure, he didn't remember their entire backstory, but he remembered enough I'd think.

Also, to Riolol's point, there's a difference. Our Akira considers New Maya not his Maya because the memories that are gone are from the resets (thus, truly gone - to his knowledge). Hence, only one Maya could be his Maya (because the memories he's looking for are after her initial "backup"). Maya Prime could potentially consider any Akira, her Akira, because the memories she was looking for were from before the resets (which all of them could have, but only this one managed to reach for without imploding).

So, in that sense, our Akira is her only Akira (because he was the first reset Akira to reach for the past), and she is his only Maya (because she's the only one he had known). Their parameters are different for evaluating Mayas and Akiras because their situations are different (as far as we know).

It's different in theory, but not so much in practice. Maya Prime didn't think Sensei was Sensei, until this timeline, hence the whole reincarnation theory of hers, but none of them lasted long enough to reach the point where Current Sensei actually remembered something. (Or apparently had Himawari sell them that Scarf, plus whatever other divergences)

Maya Prime was thinking Current Sensei could "probably" be her Akira:

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But, unless he had been through what they've been through:

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She probably wouldn't truly see him as her Akira.

And Maya Prime was aware that Current Sensei didn't share their memories:

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Current Sensei was basically just close enough, and seemed to be like her Akira, but at the end, it probably didn't matter.

Maya Prime probably wouldn't have even remembered the resets if all that was left in her head, was Akira. There being other Senseis probably wouldn't be distinguishable, and therefore there'd be only one, as far as she'd be aware.

It's also possible that Current Sensei isn't actually Akira. He "regained" a memory but he saw himself in it:

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This game loves playing with the idea of perception, and has mentioned Shapeshifters and other kinds of entities that can appear human:

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While also noting that there can be false memories:

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I haven't completely written off that Current Sensei could just end up being New Akira, if not something akin to Knife Boy. It's probably fine to see him as Akira though, until more gets revealed.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Good Kid has an alright singer and a alright sound which is considered good when discussing indie bands. But it could be much much worse... we could have Nodokathon the sequel with the Smiths playing in the background.

Dear Selly,

If you truly lurk in the forum still and happen to see his post, please don't see it.

Best Retards,
Everyone (I think)

 

[Dc345]

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[Moonflare]

It's different in theory, but not so much in practice. Maya Prime didn't think Sensei was Sensei, until this timeline, hence the whole reincarnation theory of hers, but none of them lasted long enough to reach the point where Current Sensei actually remembered something. (Or apparently had Himawari sell them that Scarf, plus whatever other divergences)

Maya Prime was thinking Current Sensei could "probably" be her Akira:

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But, unless he had been through what they've been through:

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She probably wouldn't truly see him as her Akira.

And Maya Prime was aware that Current Sensei didn't share their memories:

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Current Sensei was basically just close enough, and seemed to be like her Akira, but at the end, it probably didn't matter.

Maya Prime probably wouldn't have even remembered the resets if all that was left in her head, was Akira. There being other Senseis probably wouldn't be distinguishable, and therefore there'd be only one, as far as she'd be aware.

It's also possible that Current Sensei isn't actually Akira. He "regained" a memory but he saw himself in it:

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This game loves playing with the idea of perception, and has mentioned Shapeshifters and other kinds of entities that can appear human:

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While also noting that there can be false memories:

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I haven't completely written off that Current Sensei could just end up being New Akira, if not something akin to Knife Boy. It's probably fine to see him as Akira though, until more gets revealed.

I mean, yes, I don't think either of us have written off much (including the most wild theories).

I am of the camp, however, that probable is good enough for the current middle of the road. Otherwise, if we get really technical with a game that flirts with perception we'd get nowhere.

Is it possible our Akira is the thing from outer space? yes. Is it more likely he's just Akira? also yes. Is it even more, even if slightly, likely that he's the original Akira (as all others) but that through Himawari/Pareidolia's tampering was able to remember more of his past? I'd say so too.

The only thing that's certain is that Himawari's name is Ami/Amy - anything other than that I'm open to be corrected on. Selebus better put both a moon and a flare on the event that's revealed cause that'll be my moment.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

This made me think, Akira considers "his" Maya dead because new Maya doesn't have her memories but he never regained all of his memories so Maya Prime never truly got "her" Akira back, at least not by Akira's logic.

I suppose Maya's definition of "his Akira" must have changed or become more abridged over the course of meeting millions of Sensei iterations and watching all of them die.

She can't choose the most luxurious option that is "an Akira with all his memories" as "his Akira"; she only has either "an Akira with no memory" or "an unknown third party that uses Akira's body, and also with no memory". The most unfortunate girl in the universe literally cannot afford to be picky.

This argument still works if the past iterations were not some randos like Prime Maya believed, but were actually "all real Akira but all failed to recover any bit of his memory due to various reasons" (how she made this judgment, randos vs real Akira, was never clearly elaborated). If that's the case, then Maya still follows the memory criteria to a certain extend, but her bar is obviously a lot lower than Akira's with good reasons.

 

[Leoxsama]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

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I always read the VN on mute so not like I ever heard a a song by them in the first place.

 

[Moonflare]

If someone plays this game on mute they must think me insane for the amount of things I quote that's only available in sound form. Like, seriously, I don't even wear denim.

 

[Riolol]

If someone plays this game on mute they must think me insane for the amount of things I quote that's only available in sound form. Like, seriously, I don't even wear denim.

I used to play all h-games on mute because the music annoyed me until this game told me not to play it muted and I listened. I'm honestly glad I did, there are so many times the music in this game has made the bottom fall out of my stomach.

 

[Moonflare]

I used to play all h-games on mute because the music annoyed me until this game told me not to play it muted and I listened. I'm honestly glad I did, there are so many times the music in this game has made the bottom fall out of my stomach.

I feel like, with debatable exceptions, Selebus does a really good job with his songs - not only choice wise, but as a sort of storytelling also. For instance, when he uses

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for Yumi's "wake me up when it's over" and mirrors "I will deliver you to the fireflies", that communicates so much without a single line.

Spoiler: Wake me up when it's over/I will deliver you to the fireflies

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Edit: By the way, both events are at the beach, in both events a kiss almost happens, both events have someone witness this, both events have Touka as either interrupting the kiss herself, or causing Chika to go interrupt it (granted she never finds courage to do it).

 

[Breadtaker]

Selebus is usually particular with the soundtrack selection. Music does a good job of setting the tone of a scene and I genuinely think he has a talent for selecting the right tracks.

My problem with Good Kid is it felt like he just slapped a whole album over an update and called it a day. That and the fact that hearing English lyrics is sorta distracting. I'm reading text one moment and then thinking about lyrics the next cause I apparently can't focus.

I like Good Kid, I just hope it's a little more contained.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I used to play all h-games on mute because the music annoyed me until this game told me not to play it muted and I listened. I'm honestly glad I did, there are so many times the music in this game has made the bottom fall out of my stomach.

The soundtrack is so good, dude…

Just so many bangers throughout the game.

“Sweet Vermouth” for a nice and upbeat song every time you go to the Dorms.

“Sleepsong” for a relaxing yet off-putting vibe (those voices tho).

“Little Bunny” was the perfect song for the confession scene with Maya Prime during Christmas on the Beach… Such a memorable scene.

“Memories”, which rarely plays, but when it does, it’s always emotional. (Maya recognizing the Green Scarf, Noriko reuniting with Akira after years apart, Akira regaining the memory of him and Niki in her bedroom, Yasu’s flashback at the doctor, etc.)

“My Stomach Hurts”, played during Stomachache and just… blgghhhh… so fucking uncomfortable… (I love it.) That scene wouldn’t be near as impactful without the absolutely horrid music going on in the background.

And I’m not even scratching the surface…

The sound effects have a great role to play too. Can’t forget about them…

I could never imagine playing Lessons in Love muted. It’s just not the type of game for that.