Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[Fire Lord Zuko]

question what is the appeal of a ero game that has horror in it im not sure i could nut while in suspense

Spoiler: LiL in a nutshell

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To answer your question though, the appeal of LiL isn't really in the sexual content, but instead the story, drama, and characterization. Sure, there's definitely great h-content in there and the characters are pretty hot, but this is far from a game meant to get a quick one off.

If anything, the h-scenes are typically used to advance certain characters' storylines.

 

[{Jeizaguretokanteishi01}]

Spoiler: LiL in a nutshell

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To answer your question though, the appeal of LiL isn't really in the sexual content, but instead the story, drama, and characterization. Sure, there's definitely great h-content in there and the characters are pretty hot, but this is far from a game meant to get a quick one off.

If anything, the h-scenes are typically used to advance certain characters' storylines.

ah so its like a ova of the 90s got it

 

[DeanNoriko]

ah so its like a ova of the 90s got it

I'm not sure I follow your mental loop here. If anything, LiL is the One Piece of adult VNs. Just if Luffy's elastic extremities were only focused on his groin region. And Nami were a wizard, I guess.

Anyways, my point is that LiL is a very long and complex VN where the main allure is not supposed to be the lewd scenes, it's the story.

I get your point though. When I started playing this shit, for the longest time I felt irritated whenever that static jump scare occurred and something fucked up was happening. Like it was pulling me away from focusing on grinding points to finally see someone's boobies.
Only over time, you actually look forward to those moments, those plot developments and new mysteries, more so than the (comparatively lackluster, though not incompetent) sex scenes. I'm pretty sure that shift happened for most of the people on here, unless they came across this with prior knowledge I suppose. Everyone else would probably just not appreciate the writing in the first place.

So as I mentioned once in an earlier post, what I would recommend anyone who has just started checking out this game:
Don't focus too much on the "ero" side of the game, embrace the plot and actually read through the dialogue, there is literally nobody who would argue that it isn't well written, it just might appear to be a lot. But it's worth it, the characters will grow on you and you will cheer for them just being happy and having wholesome moments, rather than seeing them getting groped and molested.
Just as a fair warning, it might ruin the enjoyment of other works on here, as their plots and the writing will seem weak in comparison.

 

[Slub]

question what is the appeal of a ero game that has horror in it im not sure i could nut while in suspense

p.s not that i dont like horror in fact junji ito is a genus for his work on uzumaki and the like im also well aware this game is nothing like that

If you are just looking for porn to bust a quick nut, I am certain there’s more than enough material of animated underage schoolgirls available on the internet

 

[Apollo259]

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Spoiler: Tsukasa reporting for correction.

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[BlackDays]

Hey ho guy's.
This one is also off topic and rather particular.
Don't want to derail this thread too much but i thought this place might be as good a place as any other to ask to solve a problem.

Spoiler: The Problem

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[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Hey ho guy's.
This one is also off topic and rather particular.
Don't want to derail this thread too much but i thought this place might be as good a place as any other to ask to solve a problem.

Spoiler: The Problem

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Damn, you are old.

 

[barglenarglezous]

To get to the point: I thought i might make december into a good old nostalgic point and click adventure month,
mainly Lucas Arts.

I thought i'd start with Fate Of Atlantis via ScummVm.
Now i downloaded a talkie version, even tried different versions, though, i do remember the intro being different.
Like, even in the intro you could select a difficulty, and it's just not there.
I can totally click through the intro, while i remember that back in the days you, for example, had to unscrew the book shelf with the spear head and so on.

Does anyone, likely a bit older, know, what version that might have been?
Or is it just lost?

I guess this might just be a minor inconvenience, maybe that content was just cut later and is gone for good.

The version I got through GoG is the point and click adventure game, and it just dumps you straight into the game after the opening credits.

Looking around on Wikipedia, it looks like both a point and click adventure game and an arcade-style action game were made following the same story. Maybe that was the version you were thinking of? I'm not familiar with the action version at all.

My other thought was maybe you're remembering a feature from a different Indiana Jones game entirely, as LucasArts made several of them over the years.

 

[BlackDays]

The version I got through GoG is the point and click adventure game, and it just dumps you straight into the game after the opening credits.

Looking around on Wikipedia, it looks like both a point and click adventure game and an arcade-style action game were made following the same story. Maybe that was the version you were thinking of? I'm not familiar with the action version at all.

My other thought was maybe you're remembering a feature from a different Indiana Jones game entirely, as LucasArts made several of them over the years.

Thanks for the reply.
Hoped that you or some others of our league might answer.
And no, i'm talking about the the "real" point and click adventure.

Back then, the intro was as followed:
Indy crashing through the window, and even here you might have had to do something special,
after falling into the next floor, you had to pick up the spear head out of a book shelf to unscrew the other book shelf that falls over in the "easy mode" that would normaly just push you down, to get into the next deeper level.
After that you would have to pick up some "idol", get scared by one of the cats into the next deeper floors, melt the idol at the furnace and finally open all lockers to find, i don't know, something.

But all that is missing from the versions i found.
In the versions i found you just click through everything.
No unscrewing the bookshelf, no melting whatever at the furnace.
You can even see this in those versions if you look at the fallen over bookshelf, it has like five(5) blue points on it's backside, that you would have (in hard mode?) to unscrew.

Spoiler: bookshelf

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/e Just for anyone that might stumble upon this.

Spoiler: I misremembered

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[Moonflare]

question what is the appeal of a ero game that has horror in it im not sure i could nut while in suspense

p.s not that i dont like horror in fact junji ito is a genus for his work on uzumaki and the like im also well aware this game is nothing like that

To add to the many regulars that have already answered, LiL is not in fact an ero game. I mean, it is by definition, but not by focus.

LiL is a story about pedophilia and grooming, where supernatural aspects are introduced as a metaphor for trauma, compulsion and mental diseases. Following that, the harem (Akira Arakawa's many companions) also deals with many forms of trauma and abuse. All of these expand into what we can call lessons in love, not in a porn way, as one might expect, but in a form of heavy criticism and portrayal of the complications of many traumas intertwining in a sort of repeating purgatory that doubles as an extreme therapy session without a therapist.

That is a good description of the game imo: "throw a bunch of traumatized people into an neverending therapy session, that will reset them if they go to far/fail, until they can work through it all without a therapist's help, but only by having eachother".

(Although the supernatural angle should also be accounted for, the following turned into kind of a rant, so, if you want to skip it, the tldr is that the supernatural subplot to LiL has its place, but it's likely to be derivative/needlessly inflated).

Spoiler: about the supernatural angle

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[SlidingSubject]

Following that, the harem (Akira Arakawa's many companions) also deals with many forms of trauma and abuse.

Thinking about it, what about the second floor? Most of them are, while not "normal", not really traumatized or abuse victims, at least by the more common definitions of it.

 

[Moonflare]

Thinking about it, what about the second floor? Most of them are, while not "normal", not really traumatized or abuse victims, at least by the more common definitions of it.

I didn't really go into each one and generalized a lot of stuff, but this should give you an overview. If any of them need a proper discussion, we can then go into actual detail (also skipped Ami and Maya cause c'mon).

Spoiler: main cast

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Spoiler: side cast

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Spoiler: Bonus round

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[barglenarglezous]

Thinking about it, what about the second floor? Most of them are, while not "normal", not really traumatized or abuse victims, at least by the more common definitions of it.

I had a much longer breakdown of individual trauma's for each character, but Moonflare's post went up when i was nearly done and covered most of the bases. So now I'm just expanding on the ones that needed more of a breakdown.

The Tsukioka's trauma is generational. Touka's the eldest daughter of a wealthy Japanese man with no sons. This means that she does not get to make her own choices. Her role is to be perfect and desirable so that she can be married off to an executive's son, who will then be adopted by the Tsukioka's and inherit the business. Her husband will be the Tsukioka heir, not her. Her job will be the Foundation. She already knows that her future husband (who will be chosen for her by her father, as it's a business decision) will be making decisions on her behalf.

Tsukasa laments being the "spare," if something happens to Touka, Touka's burden falls to Tsukasa. If Touka marries, Tsukasa is free to pursue her own goals, but right now she's in limbo. Touka, however, will never be free of that obligation. She will never be free to walk her own path.

Tsubasa grew up in the same situation, and knows the harm it did to her, and this is why she's trying to give Touka some room to breathe and make fun mistakes, because she's come out the other end of it and her life has very little joy in it because of that pressure.

Now, moving on to Otoha -- her parents are hyper-controlling. She's afraid to be herself around them. They've given her no room to breathe and grow. From experience -- this does a lot of long-term damage. A lot of people wind up in therapy as adults because their parents were like this. So it is a form of trauma, but it's not really conveyed well in-game.

Imani - Raped, burned, betrayed, tainted. It's like Selebus was trying to check a lot of boxes with this one, I thought it was too much tbh.

While it IS a lot, I think it's based on something that actually happened, or is at bare minimum 2-3 stories of real people thrown together. When you start digging around in the "revenge rape" rabbit hole, shit gets dark super fast. She was essentially used as an example to other women "do as we say, or this happens to you."

 

[Moonflare]

Now, moving on to Otoha -- her parents are hyper-controlling. She's afraid to be herself around them. They've given her no room to breathe and grow. From experience -- this does a lot of long-term damage. A lot of people wind up in therapy as adults because their parents were like this. So it is a form of trauma, but it's not really conveyed well in-game.

Well, I hope Selebus reads this because it would have made for a much better character. Otoha goes around playing guitar for tips, has an actual idol giving her vocal lessons for nothing and convinced her parents to go to Akira's school (which includes living in the dorms) and they only really asked her to keep her grades above average (which is very fair) and to come home on holidays. I don't really see how they're that hyper-controlling (she's a teenager), although I agree 100% that it would have made for a better character.

It's a shame you reduced your previous post, I'd be interested in seeing in-depth analyses, I covered it superficially because of laziness. I do find it to be an interesting topic though.

 

[Dc345]

Nozomu - Possibly homossexual.

The Ultra Breeder and presumed father of half the main cast couldn't possbily be gay.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It's a shame you reduced your previous post, I'd be interested in seeing in-depth analyses, I covered it superficially because of laziness. I do find it to be an interesting topic though.

It was basically just a list of types of trauma and which characters had it -- for example:

Living in the Shadow of a Favored Sibling:
Kirin, Noriko, Tsukasa

I only went into depth on the Tsukiokas and Otoha, so that's the part I kept. The rest of it was the same data you gave, just in a different format.

 

[Moonflare]

The Ultra Breeder and presumed father of half the main cast couldn't possbily be gay.

It goes back to that one happy event that talks about "needing to be a man, and that a man has to fuck girls", which then leads to said man wanting to ruin every flower (presumably because he was "ruined" by having to have sex with said flowers). From that interpretation, Nozomu, or whoever that man was, would be fucking and destroying girls out of revenge for what was done to him, rather than actual sexual lust or inclination. Which also would explain why he was violent to Sekai.

That could extrapolate to him being jealous of Akira, rather than of Sekai, and the voice of "why did it have to be him" before the accident could also be that Nozomu was pissed because the one he loved (Akira) had fallen in love with Sekai instead of him. All of this is very tinfoil, but not impossible either. We know why Akira hated Nozomu, but not about Nozomu's feelings regarding him. He seemed to be pissed at Akira's interactions with Sekai, but as explained, that could be viewed in "favor" of either one.

It would be sort of funny in a bizarre way if Sekai's final win against Nozomu was telling him that "yep, the one you always wanted got me pregnant and will never forget me".

 

[barglenarglezous]

The Ultra Breeder and presumed father of half the main cast couldn't possbily be gay.

About 20 years ago I knew someone who absolutely had to be the manliest man that ever manned in every single conversation. Constantly spouted the most sexist things he could think of the say, constantly tried to pick fistfights, etc.

Anyway, they announced that they're trans and started transitioning this year.

Projecting hypermasculinity to overcompensate for internalized self-hatred due to gender dysphoria or suppressed homosexuality is very much a real thing. Or, as my mother said the day Rock Hudson died from AIDS "he couldn't have been gay, he's too manly."

Edit: It's common enough that I just assume that any male who declares himself an alpha male is gay. Including Andrew Tate.

 

[SlidingSubject]

That could extrapolate to him being jealous of Akira, rather than of Sekai, and the voice of "why did it have to be him" before the accident could also be that Nozomu was pissed because the one he loved (Akira) had fallen in love with Sekai instead of him.

I think it'd be "why did it have to be her" instead if that was to be the case. Unless that was Sekai saying it about Nozomu being the one driving instead of Akira. But I do agree with the Nozomu is gay being a possibility.
Also, I was replaying the first happy event while posting this, and the comment chain made me think of the girls and their events, so this bit stood out to me.

Spoiler: The Room with Clocks

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Was Wires involved in Akira's childhood somehow?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I think it'd be "why did it have to be her" instead if that was to be the case. Unless that was Sekai saying it about Nozomu being the one driving instead of Akira. But I do agree with the Nozomu is gay being a possibility.
Also, I was replaying the first happy event while posting this, and the comment chain made me think of the girls and their events, so this bit stood out to me.

Spoiler: The Room with Clocks

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Was Wires involved in Akira's childhood somehow?