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I dont get it, so why original non-corrupted Sekai world also keep rebooting? Or its normal in that happy timeline to kill people and using "magic"?
You know, it'd be pretty ironic if the cycles started because someone (maybe Ami, maybe someone else) wanted their happy ending, eventually Ami being the one at the helm, but could never get her happy ending (as shown by how even then that Akira still wanted to wait while Sekai kinda implied he was already grooming some of his students), so she Kyoto'd and accidentally Maya.
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Yes, that is what's been implied. Moreover, Maya is both a color that Akira stole and a child of accident, rather than of the clockwork. She could be either a god that one of the Akiras conjured at some point during the cycles, or even a corrupted process within the cycles, a bug, for lack of a better word.
She keeps rebooting because she's also a shadow, according to Ami, at least. It was implied that the main characters of the cycles were Akira and Ami. Sekai, as everyone else, only had a part to play. If you remember correctly, Sekai mentioned the police and Ami ruining everything for them - her concerns are regarding real world consequences, whereas Ami is aware that everything is playing in repeat.
It is my assumption that when Maya came into play, that changed Ami's status and she became unable to go along being the main girl as easily as she had before. Maybe her memories only came fragmented instead of preserving everything between cycles (as Maya does). Mind you, the reason as to why Maya doesn't behave like the cycles are her playground is because she's cursed with not being able to get closer to the one she loves, that Ami had no such issue. She seemed to be able to remember everything and it was only Akira that didn't. In that case, it's no wonder she'd just "reboot" everything as soon as she got tired or bored of the current cycle.
It's possible and calls for another very interesting theory, that being that Ami could be the one responsible for killing Sekai and conjuring Maya herself. If you're correct that the Original Ami wasn't able to fuck Akira, because that Akira would always have had grown up by marrying Sekai, then all her happy endings would be tainted because the Akira that married Sekai would be incompatible with having sex with her.
Thus, it could serve as motivation for Ami to change the timeline/memories of the past by having an Akira that would never grown up mentally, and thus could be coerced into having sex with her. That is actually a very interesting angle/explanation.
Following my post too, what if the reason she can't get too close to Sensei is that when Maya was manifested, Ami lost her, let's say, Meta awareness while Maya gained it too, but without being aware she could control the timeline.
Stuff happened, Maya imprinted on Sensei, time passed, and then somehow Ami recovered her Meta, and seeing Akira with Maya broke her, which caused her to break Maya (thinking it'd get everything back to normal), which also started the resets because nobody was controlling the timeline, incidentally also splitting Maya and Meta Maya, and allowing the USERs to start hijacking stuff.
So now you have a lost kitten trying to figure out her place in the world, a cat who usurped the world and is being punished for it and Ami seething at being unable to truly change stuff (only being able to derive momentary pleasure in breaking Maya before that too is washed away), because she also gets reset and only "awakens" at a random moment either before or during each reset.
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Your post gave me a bit of inspiration.
To paraphrase slightly my theory is that the existance known as "Maya" was created as a result of Amis actions.Let me explain:
I believe we all know that,to put it lightly,Ami is insane.If she feels threatened enough she will stop at nothing to secure a comfy life with Akira(I am also pretty sure Maya herself mentioned that Ami killed everyone in a cycle).So my theory goes like this.Something that could potentially jeopardize Amis ideal life with Akira happened and so she used her "Meta knowledge" or whatever you wish to call it to,more literal than not,twist the fabric of reality so that said "threat" dissapears.Mayas existance then was a REACTION from either GOD or the terminal itself to balance things out.Because i refuse to believe that Ami can just fuck with reality at no cost and with NO consequences.So Maya gets created,Ami now finds a new never before seen threat before her,goes ALL IN into the reality fuckery tricks,fucks up,and the resets begin.Now i believe that the resets themselves are,to put it bluntly,a huge fucking burden on the current terminal and so its "protective barrier" so to say weakened JUST enough so that the various gods that we know could inflitrate.So lots of resets happened,Ami lost her powers to Maya,the gods managed to root themselves firmly in place like parasites and the rest is as we know it.
I take it that's from 46? Otherwise, I somehow missed something even though I have every event.
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That’s just something I made in CharaStudio. It’s not canon to the game.
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I'm a little iffy on this part. Sekai adapts remarkably quickly to Ami utterly ruining all their lives for someone who really believes that consequences exist. Unless Ami is warping her behavior somehow to fit her deranged sitcom fantasy.
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What do you mean Ami is warping it? If she was able to have actual control over anything she's be having sex with Akira.
I agree that Sekai's reaction was a bit strange, but then again, Sekai's a whole can of worms. Abused at home, light prostitution (possibly), abused by husband, pedophile, married her victim, recruited victims for new husband, supporter of her daughter having sex with her father... Add to that the implied gods talking in her head since birth, I can say she has some latitude in behaving as if Ami killing someone with a knife is an inconvenience rather than something to lose her head over.
Still strange though, but maybe she too knows a bit about what's going on (as many of the girls do at times).
I vaguely remember Ami using cute girl magic to manipulate Io, Uta, and Akira in one of the good uncle events. Still not sure if that was a one-off or indicating that she does have supernatural powers; and if so, what the limits on that are.
Hard to say how Sekai "should" act but we do see in Kyoto that she does actually get stressed.
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Interesting that Sekai and Ami both called Akira her dad, as in biological dad during the last resets fuckery phase.
Feel like a decent amount of people knew this way earlier but Akira barely adressed it at the time.
Feel like a decent amount of people knew this way earlier but Akira barely adressed it at the time.
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Might just be Ami being really good at flirting when she wants to be manipulative, if she retains memories between resets (Which I'm very sure she does) then it'd make sense she has a lot of experience, especially given that, according to Maya, Ami has had Akira on a few occasions. Doesn't necesarilly have to be magic, just bear in mind that Sekai has been described as a master manipulator on multiple occasions and she's often whispering into Ami's ear.
Also kind of anecdotal but names are often started by the first letter of the father, me and my brother both take my father's and grandad's first letter. You can see this sort of thing a lot in media too, Game of Thrones did it a lot.
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Might sound strange to put it this way, but I think "Kyoto" would be much harsher on Sekai than Ami killing someone.
Just hear me out: Sekai was pregnant during Kyoto, her life and the life of her child hinged on Akira's decision. It was the first time in years she chose to dare and try to reach for an actual happy life.
The Sekai from the happy ending already has been living that happy life for 15 years. 15 years of trauma-free life, the life she always wanted. Even if everything went bananas then, she lived a dream for such a long time. All that being said, Sekai does react badly to what Ami did, and then goes away as to not deal with it.
Anyway, I'm really playing devil's advocate here, as her reaction is strange no matter how we put it.
What do you mean? That Ami is his biological daughter? If so, yes. It certainly doubles as evidence in favor of that.
I'm unfamiliar with the good uncle route. But Ami does seem to know some of Akira's triggers (as in slip triggers). She uses one of them on him (presumably) when they're alone after her fight with Ayane and Maya.
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Yes, that is what I'm referring to.
I'm strongly in the belief of this theory at the moment.
It's during the chapter 3 event "Robin Hood". Io and Uta are about to comment on Ami being too open with the whole incest thing, then there's a bit of static and they start droning about how normal Ami is. It struck me as intentional on Ami's part. It doesn't really seem like triggering them to slip, but more like how mentioning resets sends people into NPC mode.
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From what I am seeing, Himawari was deflecting Sensei's pressing question. She was avoiding his efforts in trying to dig up more about who or what she is rather than actually giving subtle hints on how Ami or Niki may not be real. Moreover, the way Himawari brought these two girls up was neither exclusive or on-to-something enough. For example, I can paraphrase what Himiwari said into:
"That Nodoka girl is really suspicious at times, don't you think?"
"And what about Makoto? A convenient secretary slash teacher's pet who's also your personal sex toy that never gave up on you after all those blackmailing? Get real."
"Why thinking I am weird when absolutely everything else surrounding you has been weirdly convenient, and also just plain weird?"
Most importantly, iirc this is the only piece that may have suggested how unreal Niki or Ami is, and there are a lot more scenes that suggest otherwise. When Himawari didn't elaborate more on what she meant exactly in tangible specifics, and when there currently isn't any other scene that suggests the same thing (i.e., Niki may not be real for example), then trusting Niki's existence being real has a much higher chance of being correct.
(Hand of God)
I am not sure how you consider this as a supporting information. Assuming Niki is not real doesn't really shed new lights on that mysteriously vile rant, regardless of knowing who RETARDED VIRGIN CUNT the god inside Yasu that night was insinuating.
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From the post I made speculating about who the prologue narrator was, what if Pareidolia IS a version of Himawari that came to be when the resets started ocurring, who fell into the well and got corrupted?
Also, I just noticed the reference to worms, when did they start? Maybe I glossed them over, but I thought they started during the event where Ami (unintentionally) scissored Sensei.
It is not really a bit mystery, just think of racist guys who want to humiliate their female naked victim, what could they do to hurt and humiliate her? We already have the writing, so that already fails to answer the question, it cant be anything to give her any permanent damage, because that happened later with the water. And the more i think about it, the more i am sure that actual sex wasnt part of it. Well either that or Sel did overlook what this would have ment. Or do you really think the guys in that situation would have used condoms? And then is the still the brother in the room. I mean in the end he got help iirc, so there was still a decent human beeind somewhere deep down in there. Am i suppose to believe he would have stayed there and watch while they all take a turn? Nah. I dont buy it.
I could be wrong and you are right and gangrape was what happened. But then i think Sel could have handled that situation better. Because that just isnt the vibe i got from this. It also wouldnt really fit her character. And let me elaborate on that a bit. Iirc she was always quite flirty towards akira. But of course there was always the break she put on, understandable because of her scars and been afraid of rejection because of them. Only if she was gangraped at such a young age together with the scars. Then the whole thing becomes less understandable. Trauma from betrayal, gangrape and scaring, together with his huge body covering scar would let her act very differently toward sex.
And now that i thought about it, maybe that is the reason he actually did leave it ambiguous. For those who just want to think a gangrape was what happened, they could do it, but it wouldnt let her character feel inconsistentto her backstory.
If that makes sense to you.