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TBone9

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The days in Kumon-mi, as the passage of time, are fictional - in the real world it's always dec 28, they never left. No one ages, nothing changes, and even when they do, it reverts back.
Not to mention how a school year can be literally any number of days long, depending on how much you decide to grind your favorite girl's affection.
 
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Then, the event takes place on december 28 because it's always december 28, even if it is two days after it. The days in Kumon-mi, as the passage of time, are fictional - in the real world it's always dec 28, they never left. No one ages, nothing changes, and even when they do, it reverts back.
The next two days don't actually seem to change the date, as it's still said to be Dec 28th during 'Untitled':
Isn't this boggling...

If you load a save and play through these events while paying attention to the weekday indicator, you'll find that Sensei spends Wednesday and Thursday to persuade Yumi and Tsuneyo to come to the sleepover, then on Friday the "Today is 12/28/20" Sensei monologue takes place, then on Sunday the sleepover begins, then it remains on Sunday when amiokay declares "Today is 12/28/20". Script-wise, there is a totaldays += 2 and day = 7 in that event, so a normal passage of time is at least consciously set by Selly himself during some part of the event.

Thus, if the weekday indicator and the script are valid evidences, I think at least up until the sleepover is cut short and before everything goes beyond common logics, the flow of time from Sensei making calls to RAS assemble is in the right speed and direction, cementing the idea that the sleepover really is 12/30/20. The question then goes to "Why does amiokay says it is 12/28/20 after cutting off RAS sleepover?"

A few options I have are:
- Perhaps this is amiokay directly taunting Sensei's previous introspection, mocking him about trying to figure out something but can't. The actual date is 12/30/20.

- Since actively researching resets is apparently strictly prohibited, perhaps this is an indication that RAS's efforts in gathering people together gets undone by some mechanisms similar to renpy rollback. Sleepover thus becomes "did not happen" due to time reversal and the actual date has gone back to 12/28/20.

- Team HOPE forces the date back to 12/28/20 in a deliberate attempt to have the 5th reset puzzle take place on Himawari's birthday and have her participate as well (hence the Untitled Children's Show). It has nothing to do with when Sensei makes that monologue or when RAS arranges sleepover. What team HOPE wishes to achieve via this is unknown.

- Selly fucked up. Sensei should've had that monologue during instead of before the sleepover.

- It doesn't matter. Regardless of when you arrive here, you'd better believe it when a trans-dimensional girl tells you today is 12/28/20 while the fabric of spacetime is melting.
 

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Day 17 character count 12634. Felt like an abrupt end but I've been waking up at 2 pm the last two days and that's just not okay at all.
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The whole story of Altair and Vega on their date is telegraphing what's coming. Now that he's coming back to himself, it's only a matter of time before she loses herself. Like Altair and Vega, they are ships passing in the night. Any time they get together as their true selves is fleeting. Once she recognized him as himself, and not the echo of himself he had been for so many cycles, she knew her remaining time was limited.
However, the Altair and Vega story includes the idea that, one night a year, the birds build a bridge that allows the lovers to get together. So there's that, too.

Sensei is... going through it this halloween event huh... or uh "special" event as the game calls it.

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Yeah. That reset. :oops:

(And it stays really weird for a while. Just saying.)
 
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How do you lose a country? What are the conditions for losing it?
Sell it.

I feel like I would be weird if I try to look for every moment where Maya has smiled, blushed or cried.
Well, at least it's heartwarming to see Maya acting more human for once. Maybe it's been mentioned in the past that Maya don't like appearing weak but now that message has come across nicely. More moments like that and I might actually warm up to Maya some as well.
Maya needs some love. A lot of it. Maybe in the womb.

Eww, that is not Maya at all. Way too early for that.
Umm, what are all these fleshy objects suppose to resemble?
Is that baby finch fact real? Do it's parents peck at it until it dies if it doesn't learn to fly fast enough? Wouldn't be the weirdest animal fact.
Disturbing facts with Maya time I guess.
Wtf are those shadows? Giant as fuck spiders, giant people? That one appears to be floating or something.
Most of the things in that event are... a hint towards what really happened in the past.

Chapter 1 officially complete.

I don't know what I have in total on Eternum but I know for a fact this game will beat the length of that... unless it already has.
dude, I can complete Eternum in one-two days. Meanwhile, my first playthrough of Lil spent a whole month.

What WOULD Maya do if he pulled the same move on her that he did on Yumi?
Well, if you are about the near-rape experience...

Well, Merry sexual harassment Christmas I guess.
Merry sexual harassment Christmas.
 
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DeSkel15

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Isn't this boggling...

If you load a save and play through these events while paying attention to the weekday indicator, you'll find that Sensei spends Wednesday and Thursday to persuade Yumi and Tsuneyo to come to the sleepover, then on Friday the "Today is 12/28/20" Sensei monologue takes place, then on Sunday the sleepover begins, then it remains on Sunday when amiokay declares "Today is 12/28/20". Script-wise, there is a totaldays += 2 and day = 7 in that event, so a normal passage of time is at least consciously set by Selly himself during some part of the event.

Thus, if the weekday indicator and the script are valid evidences, I think at least up until the sleepover is cut short and before everything goes beyond common logics, the flow of time from Sensei making calls to RAS assemble is in the right speed and direction, cementing the idea that the sleepover really is 12/30/20. The question then goes to "Why does amiokay says it is 12/28/20 after cutting off RAS sleepover?"

A few options I have are:
- Perhaps this is amiokay directly taunting Sensei's previous introspection, mocking him about trying to figure out something but can't. The actual date is 12/30/20.

- Since actively researching resets is apparently strictly prohibited, perhaps this is an indication that RAS's efforts in gathering people together gets undone by some mechanisms similar to renpy rollback. Sleepover thus becomes "did not happen" due to time reversal and the actual date has gone back to 12/28/20.

- Team HOPE forces the date back to 12/28/20 in a deliberate attempt to have the 5th reset puzzle take place on Himawari's birthday and have her participate as well (hence the Untitled Children's Show). It has nothing to do with when Sensei makes that monologue or when RAS arranges sleepover. What team HOPE wishes to achieve via this is unknown.

- Selly fucked up. Sensei should've had that monologue during instead of before the sleepover.

- It doesn't matter. Regardless of when you arrive here, you'd better believe it when a trans-dimensional girl tells you today is 12/28/20 while the fabric of spacetime is melting.
Considering that failing the puzzles/trials will have Long Maya send Sensei/Player back to after he talked to Yumi and Tsuneyo, on Dec 28 (The 'December 28, 2020 (Clay & Clockwork)' Main Event), there may have been some kind of time loop going on since then, and time just didn't count. That might have been when the Reset actually began, but the Trials just didn't start until that Sunday when everyone was "ready".

This looping back to an older state also supposedly helped Ayane, Maya, and Yumi as they were going through their Trials, for some reason:
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Although, it seems like Yumi's trials still didn't end well in this Reset, based off the aftermath.
 
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shmurfer

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Wait, is that officially Maya's first blush? Let me guess. Never in any previous cycle has the mc ever given her something she actually likes let alone given her anything at all. Seeing Maya blushing for once seems so surreal. And a smile? What is this, Christmas? Oh wait... And cries? Wtf? Have she ever blushed, smiled or cried? Let alone all three at the same time? And what about as the actual Maya and not whatever happy dream version of her there is?
What is it about this scarf that's so special...?
I mean, considering those scarfs were not even suppose to be there in the first place and just so happen to be there during the time he came to visit, it's pretty obvious to assume someone or something wanted her to have it.

I feel like I would be weird if I try to look for every moment where Maya has smiled, blushed or cried.
Well, at least it's heartwarming to see Maya acting more human for once. Maybe it's been mentioned in the past that Maya don't like appearing weak but now that message has come across nicely. More moments like that and I might actually warm up to Maya some as well.
I feel so oddly happy now all of a sudden. Seeing a moment of weakness out of Maya feels heartwarming indeed.

Maya looked like she's seen a ghost or something. Only that the ghost in question is a scarf. If this little moment doesn't prove that this cycle is different to Maya than any other, then I dunno what will.
Watching her old spot on that tier list for like the past 7 posts was fun knowing this was coming.
 

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Maybe I'm crazy, but of late while playing LIL, I've been getting this odd feeling that when the game is completed, we're going to learn that the whole reset thing is a kind of time travel loop that Sensei is caught up in, likely having gone back to 'correct' something he did, and got stuck in. However like Quantum Leap's plotline, due to how the time travel works, he loses all his own memories and ends up with a kind of swiss cheese memory. If this idea is true, then it also could make sense if in a kind of longer version of Groundhog Day (taking place over several months, instead of just one day), that over time situations could happen which might have the people going through it become aware of the time loop. Perhaps the nexus point being the school roof which they have to always go to to 'survive' the reset. I could see, perhaps, Maya stumbling across that in one of the resets, and coming to realize what's going on; then going through multiple versions of Sensei before the 'real' Sensei appears again.

As to how she might stumble across it, who's to say that Sensei himself didn't do the same thing for a while, and then invite Maya up there to meet him; only to not make it up there himself and get locked 'outside' the protective bubble, forcing her to try to figure out what's going on herself. Alternatively, it could be something simple, like a kind of butterfly effect situation where a seemingly simple previous choice Sensei and Maya made saw her up there when the reset happened, and he didn't make it.

The earlier reference to a paradox makes me suspect that in the time we have until around Dec 30 when the reset happens; something is out of place. Above and beyond the weirdness we see with Nao and Kaori, or Yasu. I've often wondered if it'd be a good idea to go through the various 'events' in chronological order, looking for ones that seem to repeat and which should be reasonably similar in regards to the cast involved, and look for something out of place. Though honestly, given the game is a work in progress... I doubt I'd find an answer that way. However, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that the answer to what was the paradox, and what was causing the repeated looping, was already present in the story of the game, and it's just been overlooked to this point.
 

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And here i was told you need to think of Sel as a cunt to be a member.
If you've only recently joined us you haven't personally felt the effects of Sel being a cunt yet. Highlights including having your save files get deleted, getting banned from the LiLcord if they can link you to here, not sucking his cock on the LiLcord in general, watching him moan about not having enough money despite doing everything he can to be abrasive to new players, experiencing the joys of the reset puzzles, the idea of having your green path save file ruined because you didn't have the foresight to grind up 50 lust for two specific characters 3 months ago before he puts in a new event for them but also prevents you from grinding their stats at that moment in time.

It's not a requirement, it's an inevitability.

[edit] I found another one while googling something. If you use cheat codes supplied by Selebus, you'll lose all your affection and lust and be locked out of using cheats at the chapter 3 reset.
 
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Yggdrasil_Frahma

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I think fondly of Selebus. There is a purposefulness in that phrasing: we should be conscious each time we say 'Selebus,' for it is a moniker chosen specifically for the purpose of releasing Lessons in Love (perhaps at first to partially obfuscate his identity while releasing a rape simulator, but also perhaps to more generously engage in roleplaying from the start). Every time we speak or act under a name we have chosen for ourselves, it is an act of character-building, and thus when evaluating the actions of others online we benefit from thinking of them as mere thespians upon the digital stage. There is a naïve understanding that every word or deed comes from some mystical imagined heart, but in that interpretation we must ask: what about the heartless?

Selebus is an endlessly rich character. Look at how we expound upon him and devote so many hours of thought in his name. Look at how he has invaded the castles of our mind and made himself snug in the corner of each room. Look at how he feeds us with sprinklings of japes and hostility. Have you ever considered why it is that one of the most enduring images in history is that of a jester shedding a tear? Why so many clown masks have distorted, weeping visages? It is a sad fate for clowns that with their gift for comedy and entertainment must come crippling illnesses of the opposite sort; those who put on a mask have the most to hide, and it is in the process of hiding that, indeed, the mask becomes so prominent. Just look at Selebus's posts here. How cute it is as he cloaks and shadows himself. How heartwarming it as he doles out the right degree of derision and spite to rile us up. How delightful it is as we devote so many thoughts to dissecting his antics.

What do we want from an author? The answer will probably change depending on the person. Death of the author is in the vogue nowadays, and it's likely the ideal author is a sort of machine that produces a mass amount of content with little to no audience interaction. As it stands the AI of the future may be just that. Alternatively, we may like obsequious authors; we may like kind and sensitive authors, Brandon Sanderson-likes who with their faithful creed treat all with kindness and compassion. There are many preferences as there are people. What I like is someone interesting. Someone with a conscious mind who acts individually. Someone who puts on a damn good show. It's always madness around which I find myself revolving, and Selebus is a delightful example. Come, gather and bear witness to his opera, now in the making! His script is the height of cliche, I am forced to admit, and yet his actors are of the finest fold; beyond exquisite. Thus, I believe you will find it enthralling!

As for the person behind the mask - he who appears when curtains fall and the performance ends - who cares?
I shall not be one to imagine an individual in my mind and subsequently dole out empty judgement upon them, for if I am a judge and jury it is in a courtroom with no attendants.
As for getting banned from a discord, having a negative video game experience, feeling condescended upon - who cares?
It may be you. But it is not I. For my smile only grows wider, with only a single tear in my eye.
 
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Most of the things in that event are... a hint towards what really happened in the past.
Well the cars I can understand, but the giant women, the spiders and the flesh nonsense? Not sure about that. There was that one disturbing event involving Maya in an alien sex machine but...
dude, I can complete Eternum in one-two days. Meanwhile, my first playthrough of Lil spent a whole month.
Excuse me? That took me like 2 weeks of nonstop reading, probably more, what are you on about? How fast do you read? Are you including from start of game to current version? Are you including reading everything from the beginning without skipping anything? I dunno about you but you but you must be reading at like 10times+ my speed, skipping the sex scenes and picking the faster options or something if you are gonna pull something like that off. Do you sleep during those 48 hours?
Well, if you are about the near-rape experience...
??? Feels like you were gonna say something more here.
Watching her old spot on that tier list for like the past 7 posts was fun knowing this was coming.
Meanwhile, Kirin.
 
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Yasu's first dorm hall event dialogue wasn't edited when we learned about slipping was it? Seems impressively blatant now. (The Hole That Swallowed Everything)
 
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I have slept and I think I'm going to abstain from continuing for maybe another day. I feel way too many things still. I'm not ready for chapter 4. I can feel that I'm not ready. I'll never be fully ready but I don't feel ready enough yet. I feel so scared for them all. They all deserved help, not whatever this hell they've been forced into.
 

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I have slept and I think I'm going to abstain from continuing for maybe another day. I feel way too many things still. I'm not ready for chapter 4. I can feel that I'm not ready. I'll never be fully ready but I don't feel ready enough yet. I feel so scared for them all. They all deserved help, not whatever this hell they've been forced into.
I can't tell did you actually finish chapter 3 or just get really close to it? It finishes with probably the most dramatic moment in the game so if you're trying to wait and cool down after all the drama before playing on, make sure you're actually over the big hurdle.

Someone important gets reset right out of Sensei's hands.
 

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I can't tell did you actually finish chapter 3 or just get really close to it? It finishes with probably the most dramatic moment in the game so if you're trying to wait and cool down after all the drama before playing on, make sure you're actually over the big hurdle.

Someone important gets reset right out of Sensei's hands.
I stopped right at the start of what I assume is the reset event puzzle, as in I saw the "home" and immediately stopped because I was in too much emotional strain. and.. yeah I kinda figured what would happen when they brought up the story the stars again.
 
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