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shmurfer

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Strange that this/a discussion about it, never came up in this thread as far as i know.
A lot of people seem to expect wizard content nowadays, but noone seemed to have talked about it's implications until now.

If Sel would pull that stunt, he'd pretty much drag Lil into some line of fire, fiction or not.
As you both insinuate or state, he'd shot himself in the feet.
Lil is pretty much in a state somewhere of "Got attention outside of it's indie realm" yet not enough to "call any trouble to the table" like Illusion or some kind of media control or whatever.
I've made some sus looking comments about it but the actual idea is pretty genuine, whether Sel is going to pull the trigger and do explicit wizard content right now, kick the can down the road again or movie sex magic it.

You can both make an explicit scene feel cheap (in the moment) even though you're seeing the folly, and a black screen scene feel poignant enough that you end up devastated for that which you were unable to avoid. It all depends on how you write it. An example of the first would be most hentai manga, since it's made for a quick fap. Like those cheap "aware" mind control stories, which tend to end up with mind break-induced loyalty.
Personally I think the black screen one could have a bigger impact, but it's Sel's decision in the end.

EDIT: Also, you don't need it to be a wizard. I'm kinda desensitized to stuff, but even from an outside perspective, you can FEEL how unsettling Stomachache and the immediate lead to it is.
Reminder that the most moving scene 'sex' in the game has two almost flat chested nipples in it and that's all.

The philosophy behind the green vs red comes down to a meta analysis vs an emotional reaction for most. Do I follow the best story that makes the most sense, even against my better moral judgment? Or do I allow my morals to persuade me to choose something that assuages my pain and fear for now?
We're also at the point where we can judge the aftermath of it. Io is already over it, she's apologised for not really being able to give you what you want, she wants some extra outside of sex love, and has stopped trying to hide from you at the end of 0.45 (In the same way that Maya should be hiding from you right now, but the variable hasn't properly been implemented, hell most of the current update sandbox is broken from what it should be)
 
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We're also at the point where we can judge the aftermath of it. Io is already over it, she's apologised for not really being able to give you what you want, she wants some extra outside of sex love, and has stopped trying to hide from you at the end of 0.45
Not to mention, I’d say my analysis breaks down somewhat when you consider that Sel constantly shits on you for choosing red route. Authorial intent can be understated (which is generally good I think), or it can bash you over the head and call you a moron for confronting the choice honestly and making the “wrong” one (which is bad I think).

In a world where Sel wants you to enjoy the game, perhaps it would make more sense to just consider the red route more viable as a choice. But ultimately it will almost certainly continue to yield an inferior story, as Sel no doubt intends as a punishment.
 
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Can you get Chinami's and Tsukasa's green paths in a single save?
There is only one green path. Choose Tsukasa, or you’re off green path. According to author, it is possible to get all events green in a single playthrough, so in that sense, when given a choice in game, there’s a “right” choice and “wrong” choices only.
 

LessonsInDissonance

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Can you get Chinami's and Tsukasa's green paths in a single save?
You must be talking about Chinami's event "Holden Caulfield" where you're given the choice between Chinami and Tsukasa.

In this instance, you have to choose Tsukasa to continue green path for both of them. Chinami doesn't know anything about advanced literature so choosing her does absolutely nothing here, you want to interact with Tsukasa instead.
 
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DeanNoriko

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My God god, you guys took an interesting time to discuss such heavy topics - on New Year's and right before the update :HideThePain:

I think I can speak for (almost) everyone here that nobody wants to see any explicit scene involving wizards. In fact, I personally find it hard to imagine a way that it would not end up being inherently tasteless.
However, I am not here to tell the author how to write and portray his story. If Sel deems it necessary to show certain parts of it, then maybe he will find a way to make it somehow seem worth it.

But as you guys already discussed, I doubt it will happen this way. First off, because it would be very brave, if not foolish, to try and pull it off when it's very much risking his revenue stream to collapse. And we know Sel enough to imagine how much he would want to avoid that at all costs.

And while the character models themselves may fall under the Loli category, the way they have been presented and their ages basically established, I don't think that would go well, probably not even on this site and certainly not on a funding/donation website that has much stricter rules.

So in the end, I'm fairly certain it will be simply implied. Which would be horrible enough. Definitely a new moral/emotional low blow for the reader. Let's just hope that if it comes to that, Sel will deliver it in a relatively decent manner, if there even is one.

Also, Happy New Year everyone lol! :LUL:
 

barglenarglezous

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Iambic what now? Y'all really be learning about Iambic pentameters at high school? I don't think I ever had to learn that and if I did, I probably were never given the name of that.
Poetic meter -- and especially unrhymed iambic pentameter -- is covered in US Literature classes whenever poetry is covered, which is every year.

9th grade: Romeo & Juliet
10th grade: Julius Caesar
11th grade: American Lit, so no Shakespeare, but we cover poetic meter when talking about Walt Whitman and Emily Dickinson
12th grade: Macbeth
 
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what time is Selly gonna drop the update?
Assuming he's doing the same time as last year, or normally, then 13-14 hours are left. If it's early maybe 11-13, this isn't accounting for how long it takes someone to leak it here but assuming they're done with festivities then it could be 9 minutes or more, altho imo I wouldn't mind missing out on LiL for a few hours if they're doing festivities, they do a great work and deserve it.

PS: My bad if I'm blabbering, I just woke up badly from a nap.
 
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So in the end, I'm fairly certain it will be simply implied. Which would be horrible enough. Definitely a new moral/emotional low blow for the reader. Let's just hope that if it comes to that, Sel will deliver it in a relatively decent manner, if there even is one.
Implied in a decent manner? Like this? :
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Also, happy new year!
Even if I'm still wetting waiting for the new year... god bless America.
 
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