Technically speaking, yes: ver. 0.16 part 1 was released for public on Patreon only yesterday. But it has been accessible here since May 16. I have noticed that sometimes new public updates are accessible here earlier than on Patreon. Does anybody know what`s this about?
It was only accessible here that early because of a leak, the public builds are put up here before the release on Patreon and Subscribestar ONLY when they haven't already leaked.
This is a pirate site. Patreon only updates get leaked very often and Devs can't really do much against it, I think Sel couldn't even stop the first post being updated automatically with leaked updates.
That being said, most of the times for LiL the user base respects Sels decision to offer everything for free just with a 2 weeks delay. Honestly, I wish that would be the case always because I think it's a super fair deal for all parties involved (and secure funding for this masterpiece without sacrificing content from the public) but this here is a pirate site and on pirate site stuff gets pirated... So yeah
(Also fun fact: I wasn't even aware that most of the content here is not with the consent of the game devs. I was pretty naive and didn't question the stuff here XD)
This basically says it all. Selebus has no control here, but the players of this game more often than not respect him enough not to leak. Literally the only things we patrons get are a two week head start and our names on the boards in the dorms, at the right patron tier, of course. This is an extremely generous deal, I agree on that for sure. I'm not sure I could agree if there was exclusive content as I do tend to look unfavorably on that specific practice.
Yeah I'm more than happy to continue posting releases here as soon as they go public as I've demonstrated in the past. But that unfortunately isn't enough to repel the people who claim to like to the game only to actively beg others to steal it for them and post it online so they don't have to spend $5 to get early access to something they are literally going to get for free in two weeks anyway.
That's why I barely come here anymore. It's just depressing. I've been so much less stressed the past two weeks without having to participate in a forum where I'm expected to connect and communicate with people actively stealing from my supporters.
It does suck to deal with that kind of interaction, and I used to be one of them, though I never ask for a release unless I need an old copy not available outside a third party source like the F95 community, like on another game that got hit by Patreon for incest that I ended up having to go to an old version the developer does not provide and paying for would not get me. I feel for you and don't blame you for not wanting to be here anymore, though it would be a sad day if or when you ever decided to cut ties completely with the thread here.
Sigh, another good update but with no H-content. Don't get me wrong, still enjoyed it, and I know this game is not one that you fire up dick in hand for a quick wank, but at least one H scene an update would be nice...
Quick Edit: Seeing Sel's reponse above, just chiming in that I'm still a happy patron, just wish there were more lust scenes
I'm not so sure the story would allow for that kind of scheduling of H content, have you seen Miku's event line yet? The only interactions so far
haven't exactly been desired, she just seems to have issues
saying no. The others only really got that kind of content once they were at a point where they were actually willing to go further with player Sensei.
Is there any pics that shows upcoming content for the next few patches? I remember you making a few before
Upcoming patches don't typically get preview pics, only a nice little 'title card' displaying any new characters and such. What you might have seen were the gravure sets, which aren't actually part of the game.
Didn't think I'd like rich girl and weird girl as much as I did. Looking forward to more with them.
I typically DON'T like rich girls, especially anime style rich girls, because they typically come with a stuck up, better than anyone else personality that just gets on my nerves and a laugh that makes me want to pull my hair out every time I hear it. I don't mind Touka as much since she seems to be less stuck up and more naive about the lower classes than normal, like a middle ground between the stuck up rich girls and the ones I DO like, which are the gentle ones who remain friendly with the lower classes and treat them with at least some respect.
This is a pirate site, you know this and we know this. Don't forget that many of your supporters were gained from this site, so i don't know why you're so downbeat about it.
So people steal, who doesn't? Everyone on this site has pirated something in the past, i think as long as people spread the word about this game then there should be no problem.
It's an inevitability, i actually do think there should be an obligatory "grace period" of atleast 1 week for every patron release on this site, but that's just me.
Just because he got support from us doesn't mean people still actively stealing the game doesn't get him down, of course it would. I agree on the grace period, but I think it should be 2 weeks of no uploading of patron versions.
That's all I ask for. I'm even on record saying I'd be fine with a 3 day grace period in the past. I just want the people paying me money every month to have early access for more than just a handful of hours.
I get that piracy is a focus of the site but to sit there and say something like "As long as people spread the word there's no problem," is just straight up nonsensical. If I go to a local food stand and steal a freshly baked loaf of bread and then proceed to brag to my friends about the bread I stole, even if one of those friends goes and buys that bread, there's still a loss of profit.
Of course people are going to steal shit. That's life. But don't pretend that it's an okay thing to do. Know you're being a fucking cock and keep to yourself while doing it. Don't steal and then talk about how it's okay because someone will spend money.
Exactly, I for one know it is not okay and don't pretend it is. I know doing it is wrong, so I only limit it to times where it is my only option, such as games uploaded here that aren't even available to me legally in the first place. It's a shitty practice, but it is the only way I would ever get to play games like that.
I'm a patreon supporter btw, i'm just saying that most people don't care about your concerns. "As long as people spread the word there's no problem" is how most people will react to your concerns, when they're not being straight up hostile about it.
To make a game nowadays, more than ever before, is too know you're gonna get mugged from every angle, as long as you're a nice and respectful dev (which you are) you'll earn the respect from those that mug you, and maybe they'll even donate to you in the long run.
Very true, handling the situation in a respectful way goes a long way toward gaining the support of those who once stole from you in the past. It wasn't what won me, an admitted past thief of this game, over, but it might have even if the writing hadn't.
They should make it so that active devs in the community can request that their game isn't released until a certain time. To have a few days, weeks, or whatever else where it isn't updated here. I emphasise the word active, because obviously a lot of games posted here are already finished, and so those devs probably haven't even heard of this site, nevermind use it. But regardless, they should be able to request that it isn't leaked until they are happier for it to be released. Otherwise active devs like Sel that don't want it released too early, they wont be happy
As for myself, I had no idea this was a piracy site for a long time myself. I was just looking for adult games, everywhere else was badly made games or in different languages that I didn't understand
That's actually a great idea, though like some of the tag ideas that the user base has thrown toward the staff, it is unlikely to get a positive response. This would also curb issues with bugs since some developers use the public release method Selebus does as a beta test period, where leaks would likely lead to bugs and ruined saves. That's happened A LOT over in the Harem Hotel thread.
If I had money I would pay just to get access to patreon's discord role priviliges, actually. Sadly where I live 5$ is quite a lot T-T
For those alone, I would not since I don't really go on Discord all that much, but I have the development of this and possibly future games to look forward to that gives me all the reason I need to pay Selebus.
Agree, devs should have at least a month's worth of protection from leaks, and then after that, it's all up grabs. I just feel so bad when the devs who consistently update suffer from their game being leaked the next day by fuckers.
Or worse, the same day, sometimes as little as within an hour.
The headpat system is the best feature in a VN ever. Change my mind.
It will be once it has my best girl in the system.
I also think they should have a grace period (maybe not as long as you say but that's just my opinion imo), i just think devs should be grounded in their expectations, there's no honor among thieves in the pirating community, the more popular a certain game is, the more likely it's going to leak.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, it means more people are likely to see what all the fuss is about and become donors themselves in the future.
It is what it is, and what it is, is not gonna change in the foreseeable future.
Agreed, a month is a bit long.
That's kinda one sided, no? Hey these people will treat you like shit, but if you're nice to them they might like you someday!
Honestly Selebus, take Sensei's view on friendship. If you don't feel like there's anything to gain by hanging around here then don't. You're making close to 10k a month just on patreon right now, it's not like you need this site. Personally I like this thread and I like having access to the creator through it and I stick to the public downloads through patreon, but if you feel like this place is bad for your mental health, then go spend time in better places.
If I find a board that offers the level of access to new games this one does without the piracy that goes with it, I'd be out of here yesterday. Unfortunately F95 is kind of necessary to indie adult games right now but personally I only follow download links posted by the game authors.
Agreed, if nothing is left to gain, Selebus, it isn't worth sticking around. Your health and well being is absolute top priority even above the game itself, so if getting away from here is necessary to keep that in check, know that we will miss your interactions, but please do it for your own sake.
That's such a defeatist outlook.
There is literally zero harm in people standing up for what they think is right.
Agreed, but he does have a point. Especially with how things have been over the last couple years, where getting an income capable of supporting that kind of monthly payment is harder than normal. Things are getting better, but we aren't there yet.
That's not reality though in this case, there's no reason for him to be nice to people stealing from him, maybe early on that was true but at this point the game would do just fine if he never posted here again.
It would and he would possibly suffer less emotionally and mentally. It does still pay to be nice because becoming known as a bad developer for any reason would damage the game's standing as well, however. Any negativity that spreads out from here threatens to stall any increase in patrons on reputation alone and may even begin to decrease patrons. One thing I have noticed is that people don't like to support developers who act terribly toward their players and potential patrons, that goes on the same level as developers who are slow or don't develop much at all in order milk patrons as far as what developers become known for. You can have a fantastic game, but the second your reputation becomes that of a developer who treats people with disrespect or milks patrons, you're out.
People can have those reasons not to support a developer. But people in financial difficulty, like me, aren't leaking someone else's game. There's a difference between not being able to support a dev, and then actively leaking their content. Besides there is no benefit to that person leaking the game early anyway, what do they get from it? They get nothing
I think you have a bleak perspective on people. Not everyone is so selfish. People who can't support, and people who leak are not the same
No, no we are not. I once stole this game before becoming a patron, I'm going to be beating myself over that for a while, but I NEVER would have distributed what I stole.
Maybe they see it in a different light? Maybe they see it as "helping the little guy out" as opposed to stealing?
I know atleast 1 person on a discord server that can be described as a "prolific" leaker (he's a patreon supporter for atleast--no joke--30 games) and he doesn't see what he's doing as bad or selfish, he rationalizes it as helping out those that can't afford it as well as spreading the word about the games he loves.
It's a fundamental difference of divergent philosophies that's at play here, but this site manages to bring people from all sides together into a neat little community, and i think, at the end of the day, that's pretty great.
It does bring people together and it is great that it does, at least as long as we don't all get caught up in some sort of law enforcement sting op, as unlikely as that is. What you're describing sounds a lot like an internet Robin Hood.
In this case though that's just a rationalization, since the public version is only 2 weeks behind the patreon one.
It is
That stance would make sense, if there was either a major difference between Patron and Public versions, or if Public versions didn't come as often as Public ones.
Leaking something that everyone will get two weeks later for free isn't "helping" anyone.
No, no it is not. If there was exclusive content, sure, but not when everyone gets everything on a delay.
Like i said, that's how he sees it, that's how a lot of people see it (rightly or wrongly) and that's the way it is. Complaining about leaks, while understandable, is ultimately pointless because it won't solve anything.
If this site imposed a 1-2 week "paywall" i'd be totally on board with it, because it ain't (and probably won't) the discussion is wasteful.
Indeed, a paywall period would be of benefit even if it ultimately still leaves a period of piracy, just not as much, by a large margin, as completely cutting off piracy, which is just not in the cards.
