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r3ck5

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FYI the newest update is .

The game is released to the public every two weeks, so it's not much of a wait :) Please don't steal from Selebus as that's pretty rude considering he releases his game free so often.
That's kind of a reason I think that Sel is going to stay away from F95. It has to be a hit to his mental when the last few updates have been leaked so quickly after release.
 

alex2011

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That's kind of a reason I think that Sel is going to stay away from F95. It has to be a hit to his mental when the last few updates have been leaked so quickly after release.
He has admitted to it being bad for him to witness, as it would be for anyone to witness a theft in progress. There is some minor good coming from the speed of the leaks, though. It does show that the game is so popular that it is a priority target. In terms of popularity, that's a good thing. It's still a bad thing on the monetary side, though.
 

AgumenticR

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So why is Yumi spying on Kaori and MC here? Does anyone have any idea?
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The theory I've seen expressed the most is that she happened to hear them by chance and then was surprised that Sensei's biggest fear was losing his memories, something she suspects happened.
It's more likely that she just happened to see them, and is looking for evidence to prove to Chika who he really is.
Something to note, Yumi reacts the same way whether she does or doesn't know that Sensei and Chika are now actively dating.
 

smnb

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That's kind of a reason I think that Sel is going to stay away from F95. It has to be a hit to his mental when the last few updates have been leaked so quickly after release.
I know it's easy for me to say, but I think he should focus more on the bright side. Look at , switch to "All", do an aproximation, and you'll get pretty much straight and relatively steep line. Now think what it means, it's the result of him doing what he likes and giving it out to everyone for free. Nobody has to pay him anything. And yet there are 1,5k people who do, because they want to (or are terribly impatient, but let's be optimistic and assume it's the former). It's great success by my standards, and something to be proud of. Could it be even better and does he deserve more? Possibly and yes. But it's not like current state is exactly depressing.
 

alex2011

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I know it's easy for me to say, but I think he should focus more on the bright side. Look at , switch to "All", do an aproximation, and you'll get pretty much straight and relatively steep line. Now think what it means, it's the result of him doing what he likes and giving it out to everyone for free. Nobody has to pay him anything. And yet there are 1,5k people who do, because they want to (or are terribly impatient, but let's be optimistic and assume it's the former). It's great success by my standards, and something to be proud of. Could it be even better and does he deserve more? Possibly and yes. But it's not like current state is exactly depressing.
The only real bright side is that the frequency of leaks indicates his game is popular enough to be a priority target, though I'm not even sure that counts as a bright side. Sure, it means his game is getting attention even outside the people willing and/or capable of paying for it, but it also serves as a source of diminished possible income. He could have had those people paying for it if there was no leak.

Sure, he makes 10k off of development, but that doesn't actually get very far once you take into account any expenses the money goes toward, the amount Patreon takes out of it, or any taxes taken out of it by the United States federal government or the state of Texas before he gets it as profit. I'm actually not even sure what the tax situation even is over in Texas, I only know my own area and the one I used to live in before this one.

He is being successful despite all of the above and, I agree, it should be something to be proud of. In fact, it makes me proud to be supporting him that he's so successful. I see no greater honor as an artist myself, a musician to be exact, other than military or first responder service, than assisting a fellow artist to fund their art, and make no mistake, writing is an art form, the art of the written word.

As for that last part, if you mean the game being pirated, AKA stolen, is not dpressing, you'd be wrong, though you would also be wrong if talking about the game since it does have its depressing moments among many others in this emotional roller coaster that serve to make it the great game it is. Yeah, witnessing an in progress theft of your things and being unable to do anything to stop it is indeed depressing.
 

barglenarglezous

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Sure, he makes 10k off of development, but that doesn't actually get very far once you take into account any expenses the money goes toward, the amount Patreon takes out of it, or any taxes taken out of it by the United States federal government or the state of Texas before he gets it as profit. I'm actually not even sure what the tax situation even is over in Texas, I only know my own area and the one I used to live in before this one.
Texas has no state income tax, and I don't believe there are any other state taxes that would apply to Patreon.
 

alex2011

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Already made it past that one, don't you worry. I have 100% completion with the current version.
Nicely done, that one stumped many a player in the early days of that build, myself included for a few hours, I can only imagine how much harder it is without sound since one of the answers is sound only.

Texas has no state income tax, and I don't believe there are any other state taxes that would apply to Patreon.
Good to know, so Selebus just has to deal with federal taxes, that does mean he gets more of it than I initially thought he might, but it still doesn't mean he gets it all and he likely does not.
 

smnb

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As for that last part, if you mean the game being pirated, AKA stolen, is not dpressing, you'd be wrong, ...
I'm sure it is. But it's also almost inevitable that leaks will happen, so it's better to try to not worry about it too much, if possible. And since the 5k goal meant, in author's own words "You guys have already made my dreams come true by allowing me to work on the game full time", it should be a bit easier to get over it with current 10k (where it's possible to choose to see it only as annoyance) than it would be with e.g. 2k (where it's real problem, because it means needing also other sources of income). Yes, it's bad, unfair, hurtful, ... but it's not like there's any easy solution (*), so why let it get to you too much and torture yourself?

(*) I guess some kind of DRM could work, if it had to hold only for two weeks. But it's in no way fun, annoying for paying users, etc. So probably not worth trying to go that way.
 

r3ck5

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(*) I guess some kind of DRM could work, if it had to hold only for two weeks. But it's in no way fun, annoying for paying users, etc. So probably not worth trying to go that way.
Except that if you look at a few other games on here that had DRM in them, it ended up preventing the leaks for not even a whole extra day. Patreon login to be able to play? Cracked within a few hours at most.

Not to mention that if he ended up putting DRM in the game, a lot of people would stop supporting him. It's really not a worthwhile option.

There's sadly nothing he can really do to prevent the leaks entirely, other than finding who is doing it and removing him as a patron. But even that is not really long-term viable since they can create as many patreon accounts as they want. Sel taking a step back from f95 is quite possibly the best thing he can do for his mental health. It sucks to see a dev have to do it, but it's in his own best interest. At least for a little while.
 

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I'm sure it is. But it's also almost inevitable that leaks will happen, so it's better to try to not worry about it too much, if possible. And since the 5k goal meant, in author's own words "You guys have already made my dreams come true by allowing me to work on the game full time", it should be a bit easier to get over it with current 10k (where it's possible to choose to see it only as annoyance) than it would be with e.g. 2k (where it's real problem, because it means needing also other sources of income). Yes, it's bad, unfair, hurtful, ... but it's not like there's any easy solution (*), so why let it get to you too much and torture yourself?

(*) I guess some kind of DRM could work, if it had to hold only for two weeks. But it's in no way fun, annoying for paying users, etc. So probably not worth trying to go that way.
Inevitability does not prevent stress or worry, in fact, it is more likely to cause it if there is no way to stop an undesired outcome. Try as we might, we cannot help it if we get stressed out by that kind of thing and that stress can lead to negative health consequences, both mental and physical. There is no getting over having something stolen from you right before your very eyes with no way to resist, that's just not something you get over. You're right, there is no easy solution, which is why Selebus is choosing to try and look away instead of continuing to watch helplessly.

I'm going to put it out there right now before Selebus sees that DRM part, DRM is NOT an option I am willing to support as a patron. I have never had a good experience with DRM and it has only ever served to annoy the players who got the game rightfully, not prevent the players who stole it from playing. Case in point, School of Lust. Not only did the developer begin to focus almost exclusively on upgrading the DRM continuously to keep modders from restoring the incest he took out to comply with Patreon, almost completely ignoring actual content additions, but he began causing performance issues in the game for EVERY player in the process with every update.

Except that if you look at a few other games on here that had DRM in them, it ended up preventing the leaks for not even a whole extra day. Patreon login to be able to play? Cracked within a few hours at most.

Not to mention that if he ended up putting DRM in the game, a lot of people would stop supporting him. It's really not a worthwhile option.

There's sadly nothing he can really do to prevent the leaks entirely, other than finding who is doing it and removing him as a patron. But even that is not really long-term viable since they can create as many patreon accounts as they want. Sel taking a step back from f95 is quite possibly the best thing he can do for his mental health. It sucks to see a dev have to do it, but it's in his own best interest. At least for a little while.
Precisely, there are people on here willing and able to crack most, if not all, DRM that is available at the moment for the average developer. It would take military grade protection to stop them. With no other viable alternative, looking away and trying to ignore the theft is his best option and I'm glad he's taking it, though sad he won't be as active here because of that.
 

akselx

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Them liking Sensei isn't magic, it's instinct.
Yeah, no, it's programed.
so it's better to try to not worry about it too much
Not how humans work. If that were the case, we would all be just happy to have what we currently have and be content.

Imagine going on pirate site and preach about how piracy is wrong.
It be preaching to the wrong crowd, but what's wrong with that?
 

Duckwater

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Yasu is such an interesting character, she's like a cute girl version of the ranting evangelical hobos that I give cigarettes to outside the bus station. Fucking love her.

And I consider it divine fate that Touka joins the class a week after I discover my penchant for himederes from reading Majikoi
 

barglenarglezous

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Imagine going on pirate site and preach about how piracy is wrong.
The irony is, if games appear here within hours of being made available to patrons, there's less incentive to become a patron.
That translates into less revenue for the dev.
That translates to them potentially needing to get a day job.
That cuts into dev time, leading to longer delays between updates, lower quality updates, or both.
The end result is an abandoned game.

Leaks are going to happen, but they shouldn't happen so quickly that it disincentivizes patronage.
 
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The irony is, if games appear here within hours of being made available to patrons, there's less incentive to become a patron.
That translates into less revenue for the dev.
That translates to them potentially needing to get a day job.
That cuts into dev time, leading to longer delays between updates, lower quality updates, or both.
The end result is an abandoned game.

Leaks are going to happen, but they shouldn't happen so quickly that it disincentivizes patronage.


Looks pretty solid to me, and debunks his whole spiel about it hurting his bottom line.

He's got a solid base of people that support him, he's achieved his patreon goals, wtf does he want more?
 

smnb

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Inevitability does not prevent stress or worry, in fact, it is more likely to cause it if there is no way to stop an undesired outcome. Try as we might, we cannot help it if we get stressed out by that kind of thing and that stress can lead to negative health consequences, both mental and physical.
Not how humans work. If that were the case, we would all be just happy to have what we currently have and be content.
Well, that's the challenge. I'm not saying it's simple choice when it's happening to you. "This thing depresses me, but now I'll tell myself to not worry about it... right, done, I'm happy now", that's not how it works. But if you can't fix the original problem, then it's really between "let it drag me down" and "get over it". It's like glass half full or half empty, no matter how you see it, it will have the same amount. But one way to look at it can be better than other. It's easy to see when you're outside observer and watch it happening to someone else. It's more difficult when it's you, as it requires to distance yourself from it first, but being depressed prevents you from easily doing that. But it's worth to try.

He's got a solid base of people that support him, he's achieved his patreon goals, wtf does he want more?
That's a bit too materialistic aproach. It can still suck when you offer very fair deal (everything free after two weeks) and people can't even respect that.
 
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Looks pretty solid to me, and debunks his whole spiel about it hurting his bottom line.

He's got a solid base of people that support him, he's achieved his patreon goals, wtf does he want more?
Yeah, it's safe to say that Sel won't need a day job anytime soon. Also, people keep trying to downplay how much larger developers make from patreon by adding minor and in some cases irrelevant types of costs to it. A lot of these costs would be minuscule compared to what they actually make
People always do it for summertime saga. They make over £52,000 sterling in revenue, and yet people pretend 99% of it is taxed by adding taxes that aren't even relevant
And for this game, it's good that Sel makes enough money to fund the game. We don't need to pretend he's desperate. I'm happy for him. He's deserved it
I don't agree with leaking games instantly, developers should have control over when their games is released. However in the case of the money, the game IS fully financed and safe
 
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