Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.45.0] [Selebus]

[alex2011]

Every time I play this game I both want to continue playing and stop immediately, this is a very bizarre feeling.

Also this has probably already been asked but is the protagonist supposed to be becoming better in the way he thinks or remaining in his current state? Like does he actually care about the girls? because I think he does but it is difficult for me to tell.

I think only Selebus knows what is supposed to be happening, but what IS happening, at least in my eyes, is player Sensei is getting slightly better at times only to take back twice as much progress. You know, he helps Yumi out, progress, but then later pressures Miku into things she clearly isn't comfortable with and just can't work up the resolve to tell him no, twice that progress taken back.

Does he actually care about the girls? I believe that to be and to always have been a resounding no. He cares about them about as far as his chances with getting laid by them, that's about it. He acts like he cares, but it seems to be an act to help further the cause of getting laid and nothing more to me.

So there's something that I'd like someone to check regarding Kirin's recent beach lust event-

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That sounds an awful lot like a flag Selebus didn't set and was supposed to, it happens. I'll go ahead and mention it to him on Discord, I need to get my butt in gear and get myself access to the patron channels anyway, which has to be done manually since I can't link SubscribeStar to my Discord account like I could Patreon.

If it was meant to be doable with or without that event, there would be no mention of that event in the lust event unless you did that event, it would have an alternate set of dialogue like all the other scenes with alternates based on what does or does not happen in your save.

EDIT: Reported to Selebus and he did respond, so he knows.

Yeah, it is.

Sort of? It's weird. There are ways in which he is getting better and ways in which he is arguably getting worse -- the way he treats Makoto and Miku is fucking inexcusable, and his behavior in Futaba's most recent event was pretty awful too. At least with Yumi he wasn't in control of his own actions.

I'm looking at the code and it seems that you're right -- you can get Kirin's lust20 beach event without having had sex with her already, and nothing in the event changes. That's definitely an oversight.

Thought so, I need to get Selebus's attention on a potential oversight anyway.

 

[QuestionTime]

Been thinking of trying this shit out again and I wanna delete my saves but I have no clue where they are. Does anyone know where they're stored? I'm trying to get it so that it none of the text is marked as "read" so that the skip will only skip text I've already read in this new play through.

 

[rightsaidfred]

Been thinking of trying this shit out again and I wanna delete my saves but I have no clue where they are. Does anyone know where they're stored? I'm trying to get it so that it none of the text is marked as "read" so that the skip will only skip text I've already read in this new play through.

All Ren'py saves are stored here
\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\RenPy

Should be a subfolder for each Renpy game

EDIT: this is for windows only, i have no idea if Mac/Linux/Android

 

[QuestionTime]

All Ren'py saves are stored here
\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\RenPy

Should be a subfolder for each Renpy game

EDIT: this is for windows only, i have no idea if Mac/Linux/Android

Oh is it called "test2"? I tried searching there for "LessonsInLove" and found nothing but an old post in late 2020 mentions something like test1 or test2 being the old folder name for some reason.

Edit: I deleted test2 and my saves are gone but for some reason it still skips text that I've read in my previous save. Anyone know how to fix this? I might try deleting test aswell

 

[moodle]

Been thinking of trying this shit out again and I wanna delete my saves but I have no clue where they are. Does anyone know where they're stored? I'm trying to get it so that it none of the text is marked as "read" so that the skip will only skip text I've already read in this new play through.

There are two places the saves are stored: the Lessons in Love folder \game\saves, and, as rightsaidfred said, \Users\[Your username]\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\Test2-1577602671. The most important thing to delete for your purposes is the file labeled "persistent", because that's where stuff like "what text you've seen" is stored.

My understanding is that Ren'Py preferentially loads from the \game\saves folder and will load from the AppData folder if it can't find stuff there. When you save, it saves in both places.

 

[rightsaidfred]

Oh is it called "test2"? I tried searching there for "LessonsInLove" and found nothing but an old post in late 2020 mentions something like test1 or test2 being the old folder name for some reason.

Oh yeah! you are right, i remember Selebus said why it's test2.. it's probably somewhere in this thread.

I just checked mine and it's C:\Users\<me>\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\Test2-1577602671

 

[QuestionTime]

There are two places the saves are stored: the Lessons in Love folder \game\saves, and, as rightsaidfred said, \Users\[Your username]\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\Test2-1577602671. The most important thing to delete for your purposes is the file labeled "persistent", because that's where stuff like "what text you've seen" is stored.

My understanding is that Ren'Py preferentially loads from the \game\saves folder and will load from the AppData folder if it can't find stuff there. When you save, it saves in both places.

Okay so the problem was that I needed to delete both roaming *and* the saves. I downloaded the recent update and loaded the game so it must have copied my files into the save file from roaming and just began using that instead. Deleting both sets of saves and persist files fixed this. Thanks fellas.

 

[mannice431]

Okay so the problem was that I needed to delete both roaming *and* the saves. I downloaded the recent update and loaded the game so it must have copied my files into the save file from roaming and just began using that instead. Deleting both sets of saves and persist files fixed this. Thanks fellas.

If you guys want a quick path to your saves just press the Windows Key+R and type "%AppData%" (without the quote marks).

Hope it helps.

 

[akselx]

Whenever there's a reset, there's a chance that Sensei gets turned into a blank slate. All memory and personality traits get wiped. He becomes a developing personality, and morality is the last thing to develop in Fruedian psychology.

First is the Id. The Id concerns itself with basic needs -- food, sleep, and sex. It pursues them without regard for other peoples feeling, laws, or stigma.
The Ego then follows. The Ego still prioritizes basic needs, but has learned to do so in a way that avoids the negative repurcussions. This is where we are right now.
The superego is the final stage. Only then does the personality conciously choose to not pursue basic needs because it might harm others, even if there's no risk of blowback to the self. We see very brief flashes of this, but this stage is still a ways off.

The problem is that no version of Sensei has survived 3 resets until now, so the superego has never really formed. This is the first opportunity since the time loop began where there's really been a chance for that to happen.

Ouh, I like this one. The thing is, however, while it does seem like he's going through cycles of development, it is also implied that there are layers to him. At times it almost seem like he larps the whole "i'm basically a newborn" thing or that he has a "higher" level of consciousness that he connects with sometimes (or tries not to connect to, to avoid unpleasant memories and awareness). I don't know what to make of that.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Ouh, I like this one. The thing is, however, while it does seem like he's going through cycles of development, it is also implied that there are layers to him. At times it almost seem like he larps the whole "i'm basically a newborn" thing or that he has a "higher" level of consciousness that he connects with sometimes (or tries not to connect to, to avoid unpleasant memories and awareness). I don't know what to make of that.

THere's an implication that past versions of himself sometimes impose thoughts on him. At least, I think that's what the struck-through text is indicating. Some of them are less evolved than his current state, some of them are more evolved (which I think are the moments when OG Sensei is peeking out)

 

[alex2011]

Been thinking of trying this shit out again and I wanna delete my saves but I have no clue where they are. Does anyone know where they're stored? I'm trying to get it so that it none of the text is marked as "read" so that the skip will only skip text I've already read in this new play through.

Oh yeah! you are right, i remember Selebus said why it's test2.. it's probably somewhere in this thread.

I just checked mine and it's C:\Users\<me>\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\Test2-1577602671

If you guys want a quick path to your saves just press the Windows Key+R and type "%AppData%" (without the quote marks).

Hope it helps.

Adding to this, you could actually just start a new game and overwrite the old save to avoid the hassle of tracking down the main save folder, which is different per OS. Nothing carries over between saves except that you've read some text in a previous run of the game, so overwriting will take care of anything the old save had except the detection of read text.

THere's an implication that past versions of himself sometimes impose thoughts on him. At least, I think that's what the struck-through text is indicating. Some of them are less evolved than his current state, some of them are more evolved (which I think are the moments when OG Sensei is peeking out)

Ouh, I like this one. The thing is, however, while it does seem like he's going through cycles of development, it is also implied that there are layers to him. At times it almost seem like he larps the whole "i'm basically a newborn" thing or that he has a "higher" level of consciousness that he connects with sometimes (or tries not to connect to, to avoid unpleasant memories and awareness). I don't know what to make of that.

I also believe these other Senseis poking out to be when he starts showing a more caring side, that it isn't player Sensei showing that, but remnants of previous ones including oold Sensei, the one the girls know. Either that or a ruse to help the girls drop their guard. I am more inclined to believe the latter for now given how he easily flip flops between the two, a good example being the difference between when he was helping Yumi out to find a job and when he was coercing Miku. I am more inclined to believe being nice to Yumi was a ruse and that coercing Miku was the real personality of player Sensei, but it is entirely possible that it was one of the previous Senseis helping Yumi and not player Sensei while player Sensei was the one to coerce Miku, not the previous Senseis.

 

[akselx]

THere's an implication that past versions of himself sometimes impose thoughts on him. At least, I think that's what the struck-through text is indicating. Some of them are less evolved than his current state, some of them are more evolved (which I think are the moments when OG Sensei is peeking out)

Are those actually versions of himself, though? I always thought that those were other "people", ones that seem to hang in the ether and take over Sensei's vacant body in previous cycles.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Are those actually versions of himself, though? I always thought that those were other "people", ones that seem to hang in the ether and take over Sensei's vacant body in previous cycles.

Usually, when one of the other entities (HOPE, the wire god, etc) are speaking, it's pretty clear. The Wire God is usually associated with user/login text, for example, HOPE is usually somehow visible on screen, etc.

But when it's just normal text, that's sensei, or at least A sensei speaking. And I think the monologues are a clue as to which version of sensei (current or OG) is speaking. OG Sensei is, after all, a poetry enthusiast, so when the language is flowery or metaphorical, it's very likely OG Sensei surfacing.

 

[akselx]

Usually, when one of the other entities (HOPE, the wire god, etc) are speaking, it's pretty clear. The Wire God is usually associated with user/login text, for example, HOPE is usually somehow visible on screen, etc.

But when it's just normal text, that's sensei, or at least A sensei speaking. And I think the monologues are a clue as to which version of sensei (current or OG) is speaking. OG Sensei is, after all, a poetry enthusiast, so when the language is flowery or metaphorical, it's very likely OG Sensei surfacing.

Yes, this, but, I'm talking about previous iterations of Sensei. I always thought that it wasn't him at all. According to Yasu, people that die continue to hang around and we seem to start to actually see some of them. One of them is Ami's mother. So I thought that there a rotation of souls going on and they take over Sensei's body and go as "far" as they can through cycles. Now it's a real Sensei's turn.

 

[akselx]

I also believe these other Senseis poking out to be when he starts showing a more caring side, that it isn't player Sensei showing that, but remnants of previous ones including oold Sensei, the one the girls know.

Was there actually an OG Sensei-exemplary-teacher? I kinda lean towards an idea that he was specifically put in this role for whatever reason (he always liked teaching, according to Nikki), instead of studying to become a teaching by himself. At least that's the impression I got when Maya confessed that she was the one who wrote his observation journal and then later said that other girls simple adapt to new Senseim not unlike computer programs (or machines, I forgot the exact wording).

 

[barglenarglezous]

Yes, this, but, I'm talking about previous iterations of Sensei. I always thought that it wasn't him at all. According to Yasu, people that die continue to hang around and seem to start actually seeing some of them. One of them is Ami's mother. So I thought that there a rotation of souls going on and they take over Sensei's body and go as "far" as they can through cycles. Now it's a real Sensei's turn.

That's definitely an explanation for the shadow figures during the beach update, but I'm not sure there's any evidence of ghostly posession/manipulation just yet. But I fully acknowledge that I might have forgotten considering how much there is and how long it's been running. Do you recall specific examples?

 

[akselx]

That's definitely an explanation for the shadow figures during the beach update, but I'm not sure there's any evidence of ghostly posession/manipulation just yet.

I mean, call it possession, but I'm not touching the exact nature of their world or the fact that there is something supernatural going on in the first place. For what we know, it's all just a fever dream of suicide victim, slowly dying in hospital bed. Or rotation of "souls" is a feature of Matrix they are currently in (assuming it's simulation).

But I fully acknowledge that I might have forgotten considering how much there is and how long it's been running. Do you recall specific examples?

Well, we don't actually see those examples, as they occurred in previous cycles, before the start of LiL.

I'm making assumptions based on how Maya was treating Sensei before and after he bought her a green scarf. She confessed that now she suspects that "he" is actually "himself" and that his proclivity to play dense only adds to that suspicion.

If that's the case, who she thought was all the other Senseis she interacted with before LiL starts? Clearly, not "him".

 

[akselx]

I'm making assumptions based on how Maya was treating Sensei before and after he bought her a green scarf. She confessed that now she suspects that "he" is actually "himself" and that his proclivity to play dense only adds to that suspicion.

If that's the case, who she thought was all the other Senseis she interacted with before LiL starts? Clearly, not "him".

To expand on this point: maybe it's not even important in grand scheme of things who will "wear" Sensei to reach whatever it is the end goal is.
But it's important to Maya personally that a particular individual (that she had a meaningful connection in the past) in a long series of other Senseis will get to wear this body again.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I mean, call it possession, but I'm not touching the exact nature of their world or the fact that there is something supernatural going on in the first place. For what we know, it's all just a fever dream of suicide victim, slowly dying in hospital bed. Or rotation of "souls" is a feature of Matrix they are currently in (assuming it's simulation).

Well, we don't actually see those examples, as they occurred in previous cycles, before the start of LiL.

I'm making assumptions based on how Maya was treating Sensei before and after he bought her a green scarf. She confessed that now she suspects that "he" is actually "himself" and that his proclivity to play dense only adds to that suspicion.

If that's the case, who she thought was all the other Sensei's she interacted with before LiL starts? Clearly, not "him".

Right. Again -- we're forming a personality on a newly blanked slate.

Take a chalkboard at the end of the day in a classroom and erase everything on it. Now try to reconstruct what was on it. Will it be exactly the same? Probably not. Handwriting may be slightly different, positioning will change. Even if all the text is same in terms of content, it's going to be different because of semi-random variations in how the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.

Erase it and try again. And again. And again. Under the infinite monkeys theorem (weeb note: If you put an infinite number of monkeys in a room filled with an infinite number of typewriters and give them an ininite amount of time, one of them will invariably write the complete works of Shakespeare), if you repeat this process enough times, you'll eventually hit an exact match.

That's the process that Sensei has been going through since the jump. He wakes up, no memory, no idea where is or even who he is. He begins forming a personality. It's imperfect. Eventually, during a reset, he gets erased and the process starts again. Maya's been doing this a VERY long time, and she now believes that THIS Sensei is the closest she's ever gotten to a complete match of the original. That doesn't mean those other Sensei's weren't senseis. They were just imperfect attempts at reproducing his personality, not other people entirely. All the parts were there, the i's were just dotted wrong.

 

[barglenarglezous]

To expand on this point: maybe it's not even important in grand scheme of things who will "wear" Sensei to reach whatever it is the end goal is.
But it's important to Maya personally that a particular individual (that she had a meaningful connection in the past) in a long series of other Senseis will get to wear this body again.

The prevailing theory is that Maya is trying to bring the OG Sensei back, and that she's been doing this for a LOOOONG time.