Patreon is what's taking it so long, I guess because of characters like Ami, Miku, Sana, etc. I am calling it now, next is going to be because they wear school uniforms and are said to be high schoolers, then it's going to be the 'happy' scenes are too graphic. In other words, I could very easily see Patreon taking issue with most of the game over time. I can't wait to see their response to the first caracter death, assuming Selebus ever even planned to go the usual Denpa route and kill off certain characters at certain points based on decisions. Patreon would lose their freaking minds.
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I don't know anything about Patreon's rules, policies, or such but wish they'd leave games alone.
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It's not totally their fault. I'm sure they'd prefer to not meddle, because it's less work and more money for them. The issue is that they support PayPal, and PayPal has a lot of stringent rules about what sorts of sexual material is permitted for use with the platform -- SubscribeStar doesn't support PayPal, which is why they can be way laxer with their rules. And the reason PayPal is so anal about it is because of FOSTA/SESTA, laws which the US Congress passed in 2018 that were intended to clamp down on sex trafficking but which ended up harming a lot of legitimate sex workers and pornographers, because it creates tons of legal liability for payment processors if it turns out they helped process payments for ~bad stuff~. This is why, for instance, PornHub and OnlyFans no longer support PayPal.
tl;dr: Companies usually aren't jerks because they have a deep desire to be jerks, but because they are responding to their incentives.
I just want to tell the developer i appreciate him and this psychological masterpeice. thank you sir
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as Selebus progresses deeper into the actual story of Lessons in Love, even the "safe" aspect of it, won't it still be banned off patreon? Isn't there heavy implication that Sensei raped his sister in law? Not to mention Ami. I feel a lot of the pre-time loop stuff is going to have to be changed up to keep everything "kosher" for patreon once we get further into the story.
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Really? Which scene was that?
Selebus wanted to create the most blatantly censored game, so I'm sure all of it's gonna be censored
That is one of my worries, as I said before, I do predict that the 'happy' events will be seen as too graphic for the platform and that is something Selebus can't 'fix' without totally changing the game. He may have to let Subeles take control of a version that maintains those as well while he deals with one that is all sunshine and rainbows.
I mean, if he's thinking that far ahead, then he deserves serious applause, that is a level of forward thinking most developers don't do because they typically don't have to.Really? Which scene was that?
Selebus wanted to create the most blatantly censored game, so I'm sure all of it's gonna be censored
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It wasn't a scene, it was across multiple happy scenes and basically just implied.Really? Which scene was that?
Yeah, I feel like a lot of those "happy" scenes will have to be completely scrapped if he really wants to continue using Patreon as a platform. I HATE saying that, cuz I mean I enjoy the eeriness of it all and a lot of the theorycrafting they provide, but they are *absolutely* horrifying as well.
Incest can be turned off by just making Ami as the son of Sensei's friend. As for the happy scenes, Sel can just lock them behind a patch. Basically how most devs circumvent Patreon rules.
Ayo this Subeles guy seems hella sus, trying to corrupt my favorite all aged family friendly VN Lessons in Love by Selebus.
I just wanna play as a high school literature teacher trying to cover his yearly syllabus, not some pervy game about frolicking with young ladies in class. Remember Jesus is watching.
I just wanna play as a high school literature teacher trying to cover his yearly syllabus, not some pervy game about frolicking with young ladies in class. Remember Jesus is watching.
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If he patched out the happy scenes, he'd literally have to start the entire story over again from scratch, and basically start the premise of the game from scratch as well. As the story is tightly woven in the happy scenes. That's where most of the background lore is built. Not to mention the 3 possibly 4 gods, the users, the blackouts, the half the interactions with all the girls, etc.
Edit: It's nowhere near as easy as you think. He'd basically have to work from the ground up on everything.
Indeed, though like stated before, he may have already planned to strip those out of the censored version, which is pretty good foresight, while Subeles maintains them in the totally unaffiliated uncensored version.
That still doesn't eliminate all the problems with Ami as she is also likely considered underage by Patreon as is any other girl that just so happens to be small or flat chested and short. This would only
I know, who does he think he is, corrupting their wholesome, Christian education under the Selebus Syllabus.
Exactly, if Patreon ever cracks down on the 'happy' scenes for whatever reason, I just HOPE they give him a chance to
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Quite the opposite. The implication in the latest happy scene is that a very young sensei was taken advantage of BY his sister-in-law.Really? Which scene was that?
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Keeping in mind that nothing will ultimately change with the restoration patch made by Subeles, I personally think it'll be hilarious to see the happy scenes switched out with the most censored crap we've ever seen
Do you think there's the possibility that Selebus is already working on cutting/toning out the happy scenes as well? He stated that he'll only make/post an all-ages version on Patreon, and I'm leaning toward thinking that means happy scenes will be cut out. After all, those scenes aren't exactly "all-age" scenes
It'd be nice if Subeles could contact Selebus and confirm, too (if you're not too busy)
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Considering his development on the original to this point, yes, I do believe there is a strong chance, but not a guarantee, that he took into account the possibility that Patreon might try to censor other portions of the game that, while not originally mentioned in what we know of the problems Patreon had this time, could be a problem later. I do indeed believe that the Patreon safe version will have its 'happy' scenes cut due to how he mentioned he was going to change it. I don't believe that those scenes would fit very well with the image he tried to give us of the Patreon safe version. The 'happy' scenes, while not sexual in nature, are definitely not all ages scenes and could even scar a kid for life. Seriously, this game was meant for adults for a reason and it wasn't just the sex. Some of us adults can handle stuff like that, but most kids can't and their highly maleable minds could take on some lasting trauma if they see something like that. Not to mention that some of the 'underage' characters have variants in the 'happy' scenes anyway, some of which appear less than fully clothed. I do believe Maya to be one of the targets for the "underage characters" portion of the issue and she does have Amiokay girl, who does have several fully naked appearances throughout. I would assume Patreon would count them as the same because they are essentially identical even though they may or may not be the same character in canon.Keeping in mind that nothing will ultimately change with the restoration patch made by Subeles, I personally think it'll be hilarious to see the happy scenes switched out with the most censored crap we've ever seen
Do you think there's the possibility that Selebus is already working on cutting/toning out the happy scenes as well? He stated that he'll only make/post an all-ages version on Patreon, and I'm leaning toward thinking that means happy scenes will be cut out. After all, those scenes aren't exactly "all-age" scenes
It'd be nice if Subeles could contact Selebus and confirm, too (if you're not too busy)
I can't wait for the Patreon complaint that the girls aren't fully covered from the neck down, wearing chastity belts, and keeping their hair covered. Patreon is getting more puritan annually and some people have predicted they will just throw out NSFW allowance on their site entirely at some point, a prediction I don't exactly disagree with.
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Definitely true. Sex scenes are the least of the worries...
By then Selebus's LiL version will be completely SFW
Oh there's a definite problem, but it isn't with the game, it's Patreon's priorities. By complaining about underage girls and incest in the game pretty much exclusively, they're saying all these supposedly, but technically unconfirmed, underage pixels on a computer screen and this relationship between a bunch of pixels who happens to be related to another bunch of pixels is an issue when there are far more pressing concerns that aren't taken into consideration at all regarding the potential for the game to have a negative psychological or even medical impact on players who are unable to endure certain situations within.Definitely true. Sex scenes are the least of the worries...
By then Selebus's LiL version will be completely SFW
Seriously Patreon, are you going to tell me that a bunch of pixels on a screen with no real world impact being removed is more important than the players who don't heed the many warning signs being scarred or even having an existing condition aggravated by mistakenly playing the game when they couldn't handle it? I mean, sure, the child potential is there, but that is the parents' responsibility to monitor and forbid the child from playing the game, but so is the potential for adults with conditions triggered by situations in the game or that simply don't have the mental constitution to be able to handle such things, again their responsibility, not Selebus's.
For the record, I am in no way saying Patreon should actually make a move on that front, that is again the players' responsibility, they are grown adults and can decide for themselves. What I am saying is that Patreon seems to have majorly screwed up priorities, they are prioritizing a non-issue, because none of the banned content is involving real people or fake characters based on real people, over something with a potential medical impact under the wrong conditions.
It might be SFW, but they still aren't covered to the point of having no skin showing from the neck down, literal puritan style. They are showing way too much skin for future Patreon's puritan standards even when fully clothed in their normal outfits. He could always just switch full time to their winter outfits, but that would just be silly. Then again, with what I've heard of Selebus's plan for the Patreon version, putting them in their winter outfits full time might fit. If there is one positive thing coming out of this, it's the hilarity that awaits as a direct result in the Patreon version. We probably wouldn't have gotten this version otherwise because there wouldn't have been a point.