Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

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vehemental

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vehemental said:
  • Then there's the DRM.
    • One notable example of how to implement DRM in an indie game is from Heartbound, by, funnily enough, a company called Pirate Software (named so I'm sure to poison search results of people trying to pirate their games). If you pirate it, a scuffed sea shanty with a "Yarr!" starts playing and a little dialogue popup keeps showing up encouraging you to tweet a screenshot of the "bug" on the screen to the developer so he can laugh at you. It's a little aggro towards people for whom $5-10 is a lot of money, but you know, whatever.
    • The way DRM was implemented in LiL was not a funny joke. It's not a proselytizing diatribe intended to sway the opinion of the user and convince them to gib Selly money. The girls don't start ignoring Sensei or rejecting his advances in the latest scenes. Ami doesn't mysteriously become the only girl who shows up in class and steers Sensei away from the series of blood trails leading to a dumpster, with the game closing with her thanking the player for not paying $5 so they could be together forever. Sensei doesn't even get locked in an inter-dimensional liminal space with the Tentacle Fuck Machine for the rest of eternity.
      • There are an infinite number of ways DRM could have been implemented in this game with no or even moderate levels of malice behind them, that could have even been consistent with the universe and maybe even funny(!) - but doing so would have taken some amount of additional effort and some amount of self-awareness that not all of the people who would fall victim to it are the dirty pirates on F95Zone "trying to run this game into the ground" from his perspective.
      • Instead, it was designed to be as vindictive and malicious as possible without running into actual legal trouble, and newer players who wanted the most content and didn't keep up with the game were always going to be affected the most, because the people following this thread were tipped off that the DRM was coming.
        • Side note for further irony: newer players, who have avoided the mountain of baggage surrounding a dev and who want the most content, are by far the most likely to become new supporters of a game that has a dev with a mountain of baggage surrounding him.
      • I know this is all bleeding-heart shit, but when you delete all the saves of this game, you're wiping out 50-100+ hours of effort on the part of the player, which is quite a bit for a potential "lost revenue" of $5 by the developer.
    • From my perspective, on the day the update with the DRM came out, as one of the people who was specifically waiting for it so we could crack the DRM (because we knew that Selly was going to go scorched earth mode and hurt his playerbase) - I had to adopt the role of a fan of a game who wanted to protect members of the game's fanbase from the depredations of the game's own developer, in the interest of that developer not continuing to shoot his own future success in the foot. I have never been in a more ridiculous situation in my life. This shit is a comedy sketch. It's absurdist and surreal.
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Fluffguck, I completely forgot to bring up the DRM in my first post, so I added a bit more context for you to hopefully not conveniently ignore. Hopefully you stick around, I don't think very many of the people who actively hate Selly are around anymore. It's a weird and unhealthy mindset to have over a silly porn game anyway.
 
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Wardtnaci said:
I'll publicly admit why... I was a SS sub. I'm more "old school" and prefer Forums over Discord.

When I was Banned, I Asked Selebus on SS why and he promptly responded that a MOD on his Discord Banned me for sharing subscriber content. As everyone here knows I shared from Previews images & event titles and Update breakdowns from the Progress Tracker, Nothing Else. Reason why was people on here were asking about it and I felt that by doing this would increase hype for the game and possibly Increase Subscribership which would be in Selebus' favor. Plus No Where in his Rules page say that Sharing Specifically from Previews or Progress Tracker was off limits. But I do remember seeing that Bans could be reversed by appeal in the Rules page; So that's what I did. I Sent Selebus another message on SS asking exactly what I did wrong, so I'd know for sure, then explain why I did it should he say what I did was exactly what I did or argue if its something I didn't do. But instead He chose to Not reply at all and Ghosted me instead. So to me Fluffguck, I find you disingenuous.
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Just to put this into context, back when I thought Being a DIK was a game worth playing, the developer was also famously anti-piracy and hated this place too, but oddly enough, one of his own Discord mods consistently leaked patron-only status updates of the game and the preview renders - just not the wallpapers and stuff that were for 10$+ subs.

How strange :unsure: it's a good thing that game isn't wildly successful partly because the dev understands marketing or anything...
 
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DeSkel15 said:
Well, I do have a Theory about the Tsukiokas, but it isn't quite concrete yet.

In the 'Somewhere Far From Here' Chapter 3 Main Event (before the 2 month Time Skip to Beachmas that lead to Sekai's restoration), we had Yasu implying the Tsukioka estate shouldn't exist:
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Yasu also mentions an interference that seems related to the Beach:
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Taking into account Sekai is restored at the Beach soon afterwards, seems to have plans for Yasu, and Yasu then warns Sensei about things that shouldn't exist in her 'Hand of god' Chapter 3 Event (which happens to be where Sensei ended up back during Beachmas if Sekai puppeteers him, Futaba, and Makoto):
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It seems likely that Sekai and The Tsukiokas may be related, and possibly shouldn't exist. (There's also how the Tsukiokas seem inexperienced with the World which may be a rich trope, but could also simply be because they actually haven't existed that long.)

Then the fact Yasu has ended up more or less adopted by the Tsukiokas, seems very suspicious to me.

Frankly, it seems like the Tsukiokas have adopted the Summer (Callous) god's girl (Yasu), and have been taking in the Old District girls like Chika and Chinami who may be related to the Winter (Calm) god, while giving Sensei a fuckable married mother figure, like Sekai (Tsubasa), a best friend support system that cares about him, like Niki (Touka), and a bossy wizard that he will tutor, like Maya (Tsukasa).

We've also seen Touka wearing a Butterfly Hairpin which is something Sekai usually wears:
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And there's how Yasu implies Autumn colors are Red and Yellow:
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Sekai is red. The Tsukiokas are all shades of Yellow if you look at their name colors.

Overall: It seems like the Tsukiokas are related to Sekai, who may be The World Itself, and although not confirmed, may be the Autumn/Fall god and possibly USER4.

I could definitely be wrong, but I think the Tsukiokas and the World Itself/Sekai will play important roles in the near future.

Anyway, it seems like Sekai may be a Narrator:
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Seems related to the Beach, where the Narrator said that stuff, and seems related to Tsubasa who said that stuff later.

So, Tsubasa saying this may be another hint at her side in things.
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That's interesting. I do remember Imani wears the same butterfly hairpin but she's also more associated with blue. With the Nakayamas being pink and associated with spring, I think there must be some connection there and it's getting the wheels spinning. Imani's burns and backstory, spring's themes of restoration, it being the last unvisited season and Noriko restoring Akira's memories I feel like there's something there. With Autumn representing death and decay, all the past events with Maya and a broken Sensei it would contrast with Spring.

Perhaps some foreshadowing that our last season will be one of rebirth after the dark route is finally over. I'm not sure though, I feel like there's something there but it's just out of reach.
 
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vehemental said:
Just to put this into context, back when I thought Being a DIK was a game worth playing, the developer was also famously anti-piracy and hated this place too, but oddly enough, one of his own Discord mods consistently leaked patron-only status updates of the game and the preview renders - just not the wallpapers and stuff that were for 10$+ subs.

How strange :unsure: it's a good thing that game isn't wildly successful partly because the dev understands marketing or anything...
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The best form of advertising that I have learned is "Genuine Word of Mouth", which is very hard to come by these days, and some visual aids. As I have said before I really like the Story that Selebus is putting out and for that I became a Subscriber and tried to subtlety help him get more by giving what people here asked for in Previews and Update event breakdowns. But because of the treatment from the Ban, no more. The day I learned I was Banned, his subscriber earnings per month fell from just over 11k to just somewhere in the 9k range, hope he learned something from that/those day(s). Ironically Someone on Disc asked him if that sudden loss of revenue was to be viewed as a threat! He did not respond, which was probably for the best.
 
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Duskreyn said:
something very recent from the discord, Selebus about wizard, and interesting to bring here
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I agree with him fully... buuuut sidestepping the immorality of wanting to fuck either the teens or the wizards, there's a deeply ingrained evolutionary reason for men to be attracted to 15-ish year old girls whether people want to admit it or not, or accept it or not, but there is no genetic programming that says 'fuck the kids too bro'. They're both immoral and fucked up in reality and should be punished in exactly equal measure, we're better than out animal roots, as a society we've pretty universally said if you're an adult then keep your hands off the under 16's, 18's even, and for good bloody reason, but i would expect most people to have a more disgusted instinctual reaction to hearing a 31 year old dude fucked a child than they would hearing he fucked a 15 year old. There'd be a strong sense of disgust for both, but most people can feel the difference, one is worse than the other, one is more of a violation of the social contract we all live by, one is mega creepy and the other is 'string him up by his testicles'.
 
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Pedro4545454 said:
One question, what motivates you all to continue playing this game?

Is it boredom, curiosity about what's coming, any specific character? I'm curious about this.
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The story definitely has its weight in the characters, also undeniably, who is not curious, for 35 endings, ending of harem route. ending of dark route the true ending.There are many stories going on that I hope are worthwhile.
But you should also really like the slice of life that Lil has on the way or You're going to hate it because all of its lore is so dispersed between happy events and other occasional events like 5% of the entire game, being generous, for the advancement of the plot.
Nor can anyone take away from Selebus that he is a good writer above the average of other koikatsu/daz/hs visual novels, another detail in favor is that many characters are clearly born from stereotypes but their voices are well worked, you can extract some random text and in many cases know what character it is without prior contex, has good merit.
 
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