Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Apollo259]

Hei fellas I want to ask your opinions the often mentioned phrase "Something is buried underneath your feet." in Chpater 1.

What do you think that "something" could be? My thought lingers between Sekai and Pareidolia (Or real HOPE that is User 1? Which god is actually dead?). Though Wire or The Unnamed Baby could also be the answer. I'm very uncertain on it.

I would say it seems to be Sekai, but I guess it could encompass more than just her depending on the context it's used in. On top of that There was a line about hope not wanting to wake something up that is buried/at the bottom of the world, something along those lines anyway (don't remember the event). Then later in the "all for you" event there is a few lines about a thing that "sings in its sleep" that's goal is to find another "resting place". Which I think must be about Sekai and Kaori given the amount of times Sekai appears to have possessed her now. Although whether or not Kaori is the intended "resting place" or just a means to reach it I'm not sure.

 

[Bingoogus]

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[crustlord12]

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It's all coming together now

 

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W ires
W aya (Maya but upside down)

It's all coming together now

 

[barglenarglezous]

W orld
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W ires
W aya (Maya but upside down)

It's all coming together now

W hataburger

Or should I say

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[shmurfer]

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[PhiloPhilo]

Spoiler: Waya

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[dathk321]

Is there a compress version ?

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

Is there a compress version ?

There is a mythical function in these hallowed realms known as 'search'. Rumour has it that it resides somewhere to the North East of this page. Legend tells that when used one can find the answer to all your desires.

 

[Bingoogus]

Is there a compress version ?

Sure, here you go:

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[dathk321]

There is a mythical function in these hallowed realms known as 'search'. Rumour has it that it resides somewhere to the North East of this page. Legend tells that when used one can find the answer to all your desires.

Dude this almost 2k page, how should i search to find the comment that have the file i need. That why i ask you guys, so some one have dowload the compress ver may tell the number of the page for me.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

Dude this almost 2k page, how should i search to find the comment that have the file i need. That why i ask you guys, so some one have dowload the compress ver may tell the number of the page for me.

Number of pages means diddly squat for using the search function. Advanced search, search threads, enter in the search field Lessons in love compressed, order by most recent, and its the second entry on the list. Took me a grand total of 5 minutes to figure out and I've never searched for the compressed version of this or any game before. A bit of thought goes a long way.

 

[Moonflare]

Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus] - Compressed

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There you go. It doesn't bode well for your understanding of the lore of the game if this was difficult though. You're in for a rough ride. On lore stuff we're here to help at least.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Is there a compress version ?

Here you go, brother:

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For future reference, though, I would do this. Go into your Preferences, then scroll down to where it says ‘Search Options’. From there, change it from Default Search Order to Most Recent. It improves the search function on this site so much, trust me.

Edit: Ah hell, well Moonflare beat me to it lol. Still, the search thing helps.

 

[Moonflare]

Regarding the voice beneath the maggots / bed of worms, I think it might be more figurative than literal, as in literally having maggots or worms above it. If it's below us or inside the Earth, it might anyway, but it could just mean below. Both words, maggot and worm, also refer to people quite often in a negative way, so it could be "festering underneath the human trash."
I believe the same for the whole 'more than one god in the dark' thing. In the dark can mean literal darkness, or uncertainty. Speaking of ad infinitum, I think this sums it up well:
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Pareidolia especially seems to fit into "something in between" (and uncertainty, hidden motives/true face)* rather than "the dark." He's not darkness, he's the rogue, emerging from between the others, coming from behind, something between light and dark. Unnoticed because he was behind the others at first, until he peaked his head over their shoulders, grew stronger, took control. Pareidolia (noun) itself requires light, some times a heavy absence of it, some times just the right amount to highlight the right features for us to think "human."

The light and dark thing is a part of the lore that I think Selebus made to be too convoluted. Pareidolia was a non-factor for thousands of years, yet the battle was between light and dark. Summer and Winter. HOPE and Wires. But then Pareidolia is declared to be the dark, and Wires only to reside in the dark. That's not even counting the opposition between HOPE and Wires being said to be light and dark "only in the light you'll be given a mission, but only in darkness can it be completed". Also, the opposition between HOPE being everything, and Wires being nothing. Where's Pareidolia in that?

It's one of those things that I really hope I'm wrong about, but it sounds like it was meant to be one thing and then Selebus changed later, and he'll just give a cop-out explanation like "well, they're all the same thing anyway so it's whatever".

Hei fellas I want to ask your opinions the often mentioned phrase "Something is buried underneath your feet." in Chpater 1.

What do you think that "something" could be? My thought lingers between Sekai and Pareidolia (Or real HOPE that is User 1? Which god is actually dead?). Though Wire or The Unnamed Baby could also be the answer. I'm very uncertain on it.

Based on the fact it was never mentioned again after Sekai's restoration, it probably meant Sekai. Same as the "letter T", which is for teacher, and stopped being used as much after her restoration as well. Same thing happened with "what's in your pocket", after it got revealed to be a picture of Ami it just stopped being mentioned (granted that was fairly recent too).

If I recall, User3 is just the Concerned God. He's always been my favourite, I suppose. He's sort of hinted to be the one who prevented Akira from assaulting Yumi, but that's more of speculation.

When?

 

[Bingoogus]

It's one of those things that I really hope I'm wrong about, but it sounds like it was meant to be one thing and then Selebus changed later, and he'll just give a cop-out explanation like "well, they're all the same thing anyway so it's whatever".

I've pretty much resigned myself to this being an outcome for at least part of the meta story. We already know he started shifting the depth of the story after he finished the first chapter so it's not like he went into this with a complete outline to begin with and with how convoluted and labyrinthine the larger story is, it's basically impossible not to write yourself into a few corners. My only hope is that whatever he does to work around those gaps leaves a final product that feels satisfying even with the blemishes.

 

[JelF547]

Dude this almost 2k page, how should i search to find the comment that have the file i need. That why i ask you guys, so some one have dowload the compress ver may tell the number of the page for me.

It wouldn't be 2k pages if everyone would use search

 

[PhiloPhilo]

The light and dark thing is a part of the lore that I think Selebus made to be too convoluted. Pareidolia was a non-factor for thousands of years, yet the battle was between light and dark. Summer and Winter. HOPE and Wires. But then Pareidolia is declared to be the dark, and Wires only to reside in the dark. That's not even counting the opposition between HOPE and Wires being said to be light and dark "only in the light you'll be given a mission, but only in darkness can it be completed". Also, the opposition between HOPE being everything, and Wires being nothing. Where's Pareidolia in that?

Yeah, that's... Extremely realistic. I'll be honest and say I'm kinda grasping when trying to fill things in. There's definitely a lot that's convoluted. The best I can say if we're taking things at face value is what I already wrote down, or that Pareidolia represents a darkness that's more of an absence of something, or that he (or wires) represents darkness manifest instead of conceptually. Which kind of leads me to my only couple of points as to why things might make more sense later, or why they're as convoluted as they are.

The first is that, to me, Sel's writing and the story in general seems to be very thematic, and purposefully littered with evocative and expressive language. And this all might be a case of adding too much salt to a dish or forgetting what you've already added. These examples might not actually mean what they say on their face, or much at all. It might be possible for everyone to be "the dark" in a different way. The second is that Pareidolia seems to be a liar/manipulator, who wants to or unintentionally personifies something either seriously or as a ruse. He himself and anyone that knows of him might simply be lying about his origins/being, or completely misguided. It's easy to hand wave and say that Pareidolia is just embodying something. I keep saying "Just like actual pareidolia, hurrr" but that's always a possibility.

I suppose that we can focus more on Pareidolia being a usurper, as well. That's kind of what he is, someone who rises up and wants to take the crown (and time, etc.) It could be a case of him usurping the roles, powers, modus operandi, "place," etc. of others. My best guess is that it's a little bit of everything...(?) A purposefully confusing story, with characters we don't really know, who lie about who they/each other are and what they want, with a fortnight at the glory hole's worth of symbolism injected into it, and wires crossed + things overlooked as the story is written on an on-going basis.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Huh... Y'know, upon replaying Karin's "Paranoid" event, something Pareidolia said intrigued me regarding the Molly 'sacrifice' in "Lavender's Green":

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What do you think? Is Pareidolia trying to throw Wires under the bus? Is he bullshitting us? Or was Wires truly involved with the Molly sacrifice after all?

I personally still think Pareidolia is lying here, because just look at what happens to Sensei as he blacks out at the Halloween Party:

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Furthermore, we see Pareidolia literally 'interfere' as the Molly stuff is happening, in an attempt to make himself look good and stop this supposed other God's manipulation:

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Not to mention it's been proven that Pareidolia is able to manipulate his textual pattern and way of speaking to pose as others:

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After sorting through all this rambling and jumbling together of evidence, I suppose the questions I want to pose is this:

1. Pareidolia: Lying or not lying about Wires being behind the Molly Sacrifice in "Paranoid"?

2. If Wires is innocent over what happened to Molly, then what is his end goal and motivation? He requires a sacrifice just like the rest of the trinity as far as I'm aware, does he not? So why hasn't he ever tried nudging Akira in the direction of getting one for him? You can probably count the Yumi incident, but nothing has really happened since then that I can recall, and that didn't even happen during his season.

3. What role do you want to see the Wire God play in the near future? He's seemed the most 'dormant' of the trinity thus far, but now that he's 'clawed his way out' (See "TH15 15NT M3"), I think he's gonna finally start playing a more active role pretty soon.

 

[daagagsdgd]

The light and dark thing is a part of the lore that I think Selebus made to be too convoluted. Pareidolia was a non-factor for thousands of years, yet the battle was between light and dark. Summer and Winter. HOPE and Wires. But then Pareidolia is declared to be the dark, and Wires only to reside in the dark. That's not even counting the opposition between HOPE and Wires being said to be light and dark "only in the light you'll be given a mission, but only in darkness can it be completed". Also, the opposition between HOPE being everything, and Wires being nothing. Where's Pareidolia in that?

It's one of those things that I really hope I'm wrong about, but it sounds like it was meant to be one thing and then Selebus changed later, and he'll just give a cop-out explanation like "well, they're all the same thing anyway so it's whatever".



Based on the fact it was never mentioned again after Sekai's restoration, it probably meant Sekai. Same as the "letter T", which is for teacher, and stopped being used as much after her restoration as well. Same thing happened with "what's in your pocket", after it got revealed to be a picture of Ami it just stopped being mentioned (granted that was fairly recent too).



When?

Regarding my question:

Yeah I might consider it to be Sekai, although it’s weird that the phrase stopped to reoccur in Chapter 2 while Sekai only started to incarnate in Chapter 3. Besides, there is always a myth regarding a dead god being buried beneath in Chapter 1. Do we really figure out the exact connection between Pareidolia and Sekai?

And about the “The Name begins with Letter T”, I have to say I disagree with you since Teacher is not a name in any sense. I will continue to uphold my theory that it’s the real name of Maya Makinami.

And about the next question:

I think he’s referring to The Abyss event of Yumi in ch2 wherein User 2 talked to Akira with uncapitalized letters, which clearly divulged it’s Pareidolia pretending to be Wire.

To be honest I would consider Wire in The Scary Room also be Pareidolia since from all clues we have seen, Pareidolia really hates her. I’m not sure about Wire in Second Halloween Molly event though. Dude just how many times has Pareidolia pretended to be someone else.

The narrator in The Bending Of Italics told us trying to distinguish who is whom with using of italics or capitalized letters is futile. (which tells the narrator could be Pareidolia or Sekai since the world was mentioned immediately) From this point I find it’s impossible to build a contingent theory on which god is talking.