Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: NTR

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[Muk_king]

purity routes

How would purity routes work? Would we need to start over?

 

[Bingoogus]

Here's some rambling ideas about Makoto's "T Is For Time". I don't have a complete theory so I basically just started pointing out every connection that might be relevant, hopefully this can spark a discussion.
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That's a lot of big thinks my dude... leaves a lot for me to ponder, but one thing that pretty quickly jumped out to me when you mentioned a future Kaori and then lead into a future Ami... if that sorta thing does occur then that might probably be part of the end game for the story, seeing the purified girls being sent by Ascended-Akira to specific points in the past to ensure the future outcome as the simulation or whatever begins to crumble... or maybe i've just watched too much scifi.

 

[Moonflare]

How would purity routes work? Would we need to start over?

Unclear, but no need to restart no (as green path is supposed to unlock everything in one go). It's harem chapters -> dark chapter -> purity chapters -> true ending.

My take is that purity chapters are probably a cycle suited to each of the girls, with maybe Akira taking control over the simulation and doing them in sequence to give each of them their perfect life before going through with the true ending (him saying that some of the purity routes will re-use footage from the harem chapters supports this theory, as the cycle would begin again from where it usually started).

Edit: Thinking about it, it might be that at the end of each purity route that one girl will be "completed" = ascend, and maybe at the true end we'll be able to see everyone again because the simulation will have truly been finished.

 

[Breadtaker]

I generally agree with your take, except that I would still implore that we don't have any confirmation as to whether he was really uninterested in all of those things or if his previous self simply had enough mental strength and discipline (or fear/cowardice?) to not act out on those desires. Ultimately we don't know enough about the original Akira.

I think we do have confirmation

Spoiler: Main Event: Irregular Heartbeat

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Maya roleplayed other people and Ayane was a common subject.


Here's my current read on what pre-loop Akira was like. I'm filling in gaps so lot of this is speculation and it's a kinda rambly wall of text so feel free to ignore.

Spoiler: Rambling

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[Moonflare]

Here's my current read on what pre-loop Akira was like. I'm filling in gaps so lot of this is speculation and it's a kinda rambly wall of text so feel free to ignore.

Spoiler: Rambling

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Overall it makes sense, and although the blackout being Maya's first time is a thing that could have happened, it doesn't fit really well with what we know about it:

Spoiler: maya's scarf

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This seems to suggest that Akira was awake when she told it to him the first time, and although not stated, this seems to have been the first time he did anything sexual to Maya, given her reaction to it.

 

[Antosha]

0.43 event triggers:

01 - Yumi 1 (Saturday automatic) [variation if Yumi threesome true].
02 - Chika 1 (Linked to Yumi 1) [variation if Yumi threesome true].
03 - Chinami 1 (Linked to Chika 1) [variation if Tsukasa true and Chinami seen bath true].
04 - Chinami 2 (Linked to Chinami 1).
05 - Touka 1 (Wednesday automatic).
06 - Sara 1 (Weekday bar) [variation if Sarasex true].
07 - Yuki 1 (Linked to Sara 1).
08 - Yuki 2 (Linked to Yuki 1).
09 - Sana 1 (Friday automatic).
10 - Karin 1 (Dojo) [variation if Karin lied false].
11 - Osako 1 (Linked to Karin 1) [variation if Makisex true].
12 - Wakana 1 (Saturday automatic).
13 - Wakana 2 (Linked to Wakana 1).
14 - Makoto 1 (Call afternoon).
15 - Miku 1 (Sunday call morning).
16 - Miku 2 (Linked to Miku 1).
17 - Makoto 2 (Linked to Miku 2).
18 - Sara 2 (Bar).
19 - Tsubasa 1 (Linked to Sara 2) [variation if Harukasex true].
20 - Tsubasa 2 (Linked to Tsubasa 1).

Bonus Animation: Touka x Yasu (check the computer).

*This is the order I unlocked the events, other variations may work. This is playing green path and choosing to do all I can. Also tried to include some of the script calls for variations, but might have missed a few.
**Hexadecimal translation for the Sana Event is: "this is not her".

FYI, the Makoto event requires that you've gone through the Touka sequence first. ETA: And the Touka event requires that you've played the Chinami events. FYI.

 

[Breadtaker]

Overall it makes sense, and although the blackout being Maya's first time is a thing that could have happened, it doesn't fit really well with what we know about it:

Spoiler: maya's scarf

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This seems to suggest that Akira was awake when she told it to him the first time, and although not stated, this seems to have been the first time he did anything sexual to Maya, given her reaction to it.

Ah, you're right. I forgot about this. I'm trying to make sense of that one screen that keeps popping up and something Noriko said. I'll have to think about it more.

 

[Moonflare]

Ah, you're right. I forgot about this. I'm trying to make sense of that one screen that keeps popping up and something Noriko said. I'll have to think about it more.

Which one? Noriko insists someone (assumed to be Maya) did something to/with Akira in the Old District after he ghosted her, and she saw him from the bus. One theory is that Maya made out with him in public or something, in an effort to make him leave the old district for good - but that's a very steep shot in the dark at this point (this happens during her first conversation with Akira about the past, in which he starts to shut down).

The other time Noriko mentions something related to this is directly to Maya, but that's more about the fact that she had sex with him while being a kid, putting him on a road of no return, and that she knows that Maya also knows she ruined him by doing it. Which is totally true. There'd be no person not sympathetic to Akira if not for the Maya situation - up until that point he was 100% just a victim of a horrible person, and there is a strong hint that this act was in part pragmatism from Maya's end to cut him off from everyone else as well (New Maya jokes about calling the police if he doesn't have sex with her, and at some point this might have been actual blackmail - if he didn't leave Noriko/Niki/the Old District).

 

[Antosha]

Ah, you're right. I forgot about this. I'm trying to make sense of that one screen that keeps popping up and something Noriko said. I'll have to think about it more.

Well, there's the first time, and then there's the first time. As we've seen throughout the game, those two (love and sex) don't necessarily have anything to do with each other for Akira -- or for Maya, perhaps.

 

[Breadtaker]

Which one? Noriko insists someone (assumed to be Maya) did something to/with Akira in the Old District after he ghosted her, and she saw him from the bus. One theory is that Maya made out with him in public or something, in an effort to make him leave the old district for good - but that's a very steep shot in the dark at this point (this happens during her first conversation with Akira about the past, in which he starts to shut down).

The other time Noriko mentions something related to this is directly to Maya, but that's more about the fact that she had sex with him while being a kid, putting him on a road of no return, and that she knows that Maya also knows she ruined him by doing it. Which is totally true. There'd be no person not sympathetic to Akira if not for the Maya situation - up until that point he was 100% just a victim of a horrible person, and there is a strong hint that this act was in part pragmatism from Maya's end to cut him off from everyone else as well (New Maya jokes about calling the police if he doesn't have sex with her, and at some point this might have been actual blackmail - if he didn't leave Noriko/Niki/the Old District).

I can't find a specific quote. Just the general idea that Maya was an initiator and somewhat steering the relationship. The context of the wizard maya screen doesn't seem to be positive which is why I'm inclined to believe it's something she did to him rather than something as mild as just a confession.

 

[Muk_king]

harem chapters -> dark chapter -> purity chapters -> true ending

Got a brainwave. Selebus might pull an Angel Beats type of situation where the girls are "released" one at a time until he is alone for the true ending. Disappearance would be in order of reverse emotional closeness.

Spoiler: Angel Beats visual

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[DeSkel15]

I can't find a specific quote. Just the general idea that Maya was an initiator and somewhat steering the relationship. The context of the wizard maya screen doesn't seem to be positive which is why I'm inclined to believe it's something she did to him rather than something as mild as just a confession.

Noriko does imply that Maya is the one who fucked Sensei up for good:

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Mentioned it before:

It's not entirely confirmed, but it seems likely that Sekai hates Maya for one major reason:

• Maya broke Sensei beyond repair, after the Accident.

Noriko reveals a lot about Maya, but one of the major things is how she believes Maya fucked Sensei up for good:

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As far as has been revealed, Maya was the one who pursued the relationship with Sensei:

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We also had Pareidolia seemingly disliking Maya for how she groomed Sensei:

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And we know that Maya tried to keep those that loved Sensei away from him, apparently convincing him he was all alone:

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We also had Sensei mentioning he was willing to be Maya's toy last update:

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And, Ami has brought up that she suspects something must have hurt Sensei to cause him to stop tutoring:

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It seems like the only thing that could have hurt him, and the main thing that sends his body into shock, is him remembering his relationship with Maya.

As fucked up as it sounds, it seems like a Wizard took advantage of a mentally ill man in his 20s, and broke him into his modern self in his early 30s.

Overall: Sekai probably dislikes Maya for what Maya did to Sensei mentally.

Not to mention, if Sekai is just some kind of hallucination from Sensei's mind, it might be the part of Sensei that regrets and dislikes what he did with Maya, personified. Just, you know, blaming the Wizard.

Maya was probably around 6 to 7 when the relationship started with Sensei. This was recently implied/revealed in Noriko's 'Rivals (Taco Tuesday)' Chapter 4 Event:

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Based off Maya saying Sensei hadn't been alone with Niki for months, this was likely only months after the accident. Which was 8 years ago... and apparently Maya and Sensei were already "alone a lot".

But it does seem like within months of Sekai's death, Wizard Maya had Sensei wrapped around her finger, and Niki was out of the picture.

 

[DeanNoriko]

One thing that just popped into my mind: What was Sel's intention with introducing Akira's new apartment?

It seemed like a big deal after the 4th 5th 4th (?) beach event. Important enough to, in my opinion, kind of shoe horn its way into the plot by Touka just "being bad at evaluating appropriate gifts". I was ready to give it the benefit of the doubt, when it was clear that the direction of the story seemed to point towards Akira becoming sexually active with more and more girls and giving a plausible location to do all his heinous crimes divine deeds away from the prying eyes of his niece.
Instead, he barely uses it now. Wasn't the last time he stayed at his own apartment two resets ago, when he didn't even stay but was moved to the roof in the end?

So am I missing something? Was it quickly shut down because "oh well, now Chika is nearby so guess I better stay with Ami"? Or is there more to come, will it become more crucial to the plot over time? Or is it just another episode of "Sel had an idea but then he kinda forgot about it, whoops"? It kind of coincides with Akira's new learnt interest in writing, which he seemingly picked up during his very first stay, only to completely abandon it again.
Am I the only one who feels weird about all that?

 

[Bingoogus]

That reoccurring shot of her on top of him, clothed but in the cowgirl position, the fact it keeps appearing makes me think it might be the first time and she was possibly grinding on him in his sleep and that's what he woke up to... maybe? It'd fit with the idea she did something to him that set him on the bad path, if he awoke hard and aroused by the grinding he might've let her keep going and only freaked after they both came... i dunno, just adding to what you guys are talking about.

 

[ElaineZol]

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I don't know if Sel is being vague here but going off of this 35 characters 35 purity routes. So if had to estimate we're going to have 6 chapters with 35 purity routes which gives us the 41 mentioned above.

Add on:

Spoiler: Estimated Purtiy Route Length

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That's a lot of different routes, when does the corpse party begin tho?

 

[Vega Cifer]

I read up and isn't sekai being upset at Maya kindve ironic? Considering what she herself has done..

I also think that last scene with Makoto is still her. After all she has already been acting differently since she started learning about the resets to begin with. Plus she's been away from him for a long time. Her saying I love you at this point is weird but to her Akira being nice and saying good Afternoon and such as a greeting is also weird. Looks like the effects of learning you're in a perpetual time loop are coming to terms with her, but in different ways. I mean...it could be some shape-shifter but the way this entire event happened, like directly after big pp fails sex with Miku. I think it's her finally speaking what's on her mind or how she views it TBH. There are certainly flaws in the logic, it looks more like an example. However she isn't aware of Akiras more underlying problems as well which spawn from grooming, which again get extrapolated by everything going on around him even what seems to be people like Maya herself. Broken, upon issues upon more issues, upon resets upon memory and personality wipes

 

[Moonflare]

One thing that just popped into my mind: What was Sel's intention with introducing Akira's new apartment?

With Niki moving in, we might see a lot of content moved there instead as/if calling people to his home becomes a thing again. And the last time he stayed there was with New Maya when they first have sex, after their reunion at the shrine.

I read up and isn't sekai being upset at Maya kindve ironic? Considering what she herself has done..

It's because Niki was never a danger to Sekai (it was actually beneficial that Akira had a girlfriend to act as a smokescreen). She even teased Akira about her constantly. But Maya is an actual replacement for Sekai, someone he loves, and that is aware (at least to an extent) about her, and intends to erase her completely from his life.

Furthermore, the xoanon (NAO) tells us that Sekai called what she felt for Akira love, from that we can gather that she believed it was genuine love (regardless if it was or not). That would be a second reason for her to hate Maya, because their relationship mirrors what she found with Akira, which was also the first time she felt happy. It would then make sense as to why Sekai would view Maya as an actual rival and potential winner given that she is, well, dead.

Also, while Maya's relationship with Akira mirrors Sekai's to an extent, they're different at nuance. Sekai corrupted an innocent boy and groomed him for years. Akira and Maya are both victims of sexual abuse that found in eachother a way to cope with what had been done to them. Even if Sekai believes emotionally that what she feels is love, she isn't stupid, she'd be able to rationally identify that the reasons for Maya and Akira to be together are healthier than theirs.

Edit: Last possible reason is half tinfoil, but it could be that she hates Maya because they're both pursuing different goals reset wise. They're the top narrator guesses after Himawari, and her hatred could be a "present" hate, born during the resets, and for supernatural reasons - rather than the hate of the memory of a dead person looking over someone that wasn't even part of Akira's life when she was alive.

 

[Vega Cifer]

With Niki moving in, we might see a lot of content moved there instead as/if calling people to his home becomes a thing again. And the last time he stayed there was with New Maya when they first have sex, after their reunion at the shrine.

It's because Niki was never a danger to Sekai (it was actually beneficial that Akira had a girlfriend to act as a smokescreen). She even teased Akira about her constantly. But Maya is an actual replacement for Sekai, someone he loves, and that is aware (at least to an extent) about her, and intends to erase her completely from his life.

Furthermore, the xoanon (NAO) tells us that Sekai called what she felt for Akira love, from that we can gather that she believed it was genuine love (regardless if it was or not). That would be a second reason for her to hate Maya, because their relationship mirrors what she found with Akira, which was also the first time she felt happy. It would then make sense as to why Sekai would view Maya as an actual rival and potential winner given that she is, well, dead.

Also, while Maya's relationship with Akira mirrors Sekai's to an extent, they're different at nuance. Sekai corrupted an innocent boy and groomed him for years. Akira and Maya are both victims of sexual abuse that found in eachother a way to cope with what had been done to them. Even if Sekai believes emotionally that what she feels is love, she isn't stupid, she'd be able to rationally identify that the reasons for Maya and Akira to be together are healthier than theirs.

I see...so truly grooming rivals. This does make sense, honestly this past really is messed up

 

[Detective Dc345]

So far we have had 3 TSS. Noriko who has an egg, Futaba who doesn't and whatever what was going on with Sana. But I can't wrap my head around why Noriko and Futaba where isekaid there. Sana's terribly named brother said the gods congregate there but I can't think of any known ties Noriko and Futaba have to any of the 3 (possibly 4) gods.