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I think all the timeline if messed up with the Nakayama sisters
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Pdst: Hi, first time commenting here sorry for my bad english
Welcome. And yes, it's an interesting theory.

Mind you, Noriko is responsible, alonside Wires, for recovering Akira's first memory. There is a shot of her being under the influence of the moon while walking through the city alone (although it could just be for artistic sake). And she does mention alternate timelines.
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The thing about Noriko that might be the biggest evidence though is her relationship with Maya, given that Maya, at this point, has been confirmed as something that shouldn't exist. Maybe natural pink hair was a dead giveaway from the start.
 

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OK, I've made a timeline draft due to the recent mass confusion regarding Noriko's presence in Kyoto.

Some disclaimers are:
1. This timeline is constructed under the assumption that there is no time fuckery or developer oversight or any other shenanigan. I.e., assuming everything shown is from a linear timeline and Selly did not fuck up at all.
(not that I don't think it's impossible. It's just those two possibilities are the absolute trump cards that overrule literally every argument without needing much reasoning. If there is a way to fit things into one flawless linear path then it'd be my go-to until it can no longer be done)

2. I try using ONLY "what's written in the textbox" as the sole determinant, avoiding judging ages based off character models (unless a vastly different model is used), or using conjectures from the conversation no matter how logical they might be.
As in, ONLY using "what is stated here".

3. Following up, "what is stated here" is regarded as absolutely factual without considering the chances of the characters lying unless it is VERY overt.
(this is to avoid rabbit holes like "your evidences are lying while mine are not!")

4. Other events not within the window between Noriko's birth year and the year of The Accident are omitted, with the exception of Present that serves as a reference point.
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For me, the confusion that I got is probably due to the fact that there exist only two character models in the game, and the teen version only represents "time during the past" as a broad stroke and will not reflect on "when exactly". For example, if you are willing to believe this timeline draft, that means Niki was in her 20 during Kyoto and she looked almost identical to the Niki when she was 14.

In addition, if one depends too much on character models to place a scene on the timeline, the following scene will make absolutely no sense whether you agree with this timeline or not.
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Again the purpose is not meant for defending Selly. This is to, if it's at all possible, fit everything together in the simplest way. Let me know if I screw up somewhere.
Okey so here i suppouse the date of "Noriko old enough to sit in lap" is the date of the "Spotless mind"(i think is the event name) Edit:It is, i didn't see it in the time line lol
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Just in case, i want to say i don't want to "argue" or discuss negatively(?), just trying to understad all this stuf under the discarded possibility of selebus messing it up.
 
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OK, I've made a timeline draft due to the recent mass confusion regarding Noriko's presence in Kyoto.

Some disclaimers are:
1. This timeline is constructed under the assumption that there is no time fuckery or developer oversight or any other shenanigan. I.e., assuming everything shown is from a linear timeline and Selly did not fuck up at all.
(not that I don't think it's impossible. It's just those two possibilities are the absolute trump cards that overrule literally every argument without needing much reasoning. If there is a way to fit things into one flawless linear path then it'd be my go-to until it can no longer be done)

2. I try using ONLY "what's written in the textbox" as the sole determinant, avoiding judging ages based off character models (unless a vastly different model is used), or using conjectures from the conversation no matter how logical they might be.
As in, ONLY using "what is stated here".

3. Following up, "what is stated here" is regarded as absolutely factual without considering the chances of the characters lying unless it is VERY overt.
(this is to avoid rabbit holes like "your evidences are lying while mine are not!")

4. Other events not within the window between Noriko's birth year and the year of The Accident are omitted, with the exception of Present that serves as a reference point.
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For me, the confusion that I got is probably due to the fact that there exist only two character models in the game, and the teen version only represents "time during the past" as a broad stroke and will not reflect on "when exactly". For example, if you are willing to believe this timeline draft, that means Niki was in her 20 during Kyoto and she looked almost identical to the Niki when she was 14.

In addition, if one depends too much on character models to place a scene on the timeline, the following scene will make absolutely no sense whether you agree with this timeline or not.
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Again the purpose is not meant for defending Selly. This is to, if it's at all possible, fit everything together in the simplest way. Let me know if I screw up somewhere.
I mean, this works, but only if you forego Kyoto. Here are the problems:

1. If Kyoto exists, then Ami must not have been born in its timeline. It's completely absurd that Akira or Sekai would conduct Kyoto the way they do if Ami is 6 years old, and it's Sekai's second pregnancy. Sekai loved Ami more than Akira. Or even that Ami'd think Nozomu was normal when he beat Sekai so much that she'd run away.

2. Also, if Kyoto exists then it can't have been in 2011 because Akira and Niki were not dating in Kyoto. Rather, Kyoto has to take place before they start dating. And the countdown of 5 years dating has to take place after it.

It had already been said, but this is very helpful in getting a clear picture of simply why Kyoto can't have existed in our timeline. By all means it should be in 2005, which makes everything else out of place (Noriko would be -1 during Kyoto, and at least -2 on Spotless Mind). Kyoto is in 2005 (assuming the pregnancy is Ami's, which it has to be - if it is in our timeline), Spotless Mind is even before it.

Edit: I don't understand why Kyoto has to take place within a year of the accident either. Is it because Sekai's supposed second child would have died in the accident?
 
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Well done, Kitty Hawk, for flipping the entire Lessons in Love F95 forum on its head with your astute observation.

Now none of us know what to believe anymore! :LOL:

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Kitty Hawk has perfected their game, and now doesn't even need a futanari horse cock to fuck with our minds.
 

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Additionally, Sekai's line about how much Akira's starting look like a man instead of a boy implies that he's still in puberty, not 22 years old.
I'm struggling to buy the 12 years old bit when the sexual abuse started cause he looks a lot younger than that in the scenes we see and she fell in love with him when he was still a baby because every kid has developed object permanence by their first birthday and you then expect her to have just waited 11 years before an opportunity struck? Doesn't sound believable, as i said before, i expected the abuse to start around 5 to 7 ish, though i wouldn't be surprised if she did stuff when he was a baby cause who'd know if she was baby sitting him? A predator like her might back off once he could start talking but then once he was a little older and knew to keep his mouth shut i'd expect her to either wait for the soonest opportunity to start things back up, or concoct a scenario to cause it. 12 just seems crazy to me, sexually attracted to a baby but waits until he's hit puberty? Does sound right...
 
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I'm struggling to buy the 12 years old bit when the sexual abuse started cause he looks a lot younger than that in the scenes we see and she fell in love with him when he was still a baby because every kid has developed object permanence by their first birthday and you then expect her to have just waited 11 years before an opportunity struck? Doesn't sound believable, as i said before, i expected the abuse to start around 5 to 7 ish, though i wouldn't be surprised if she did stuff when he was a baby cause who'd know if she was baby sitting him? A predator like her might back off once he could start talking but then once he was a little older and knew to keep his mouth shut i'd expect her to either wait for the soonest opportunity to start things back up, or concoct a scenario to cause it. 12 just seems crazy to me, sexually attracted to a baby but waits until he's hit puberty? Does sound right...
Unrelated to this, but it came to mind given the parallel Sekai x Akira, and Akira x Maya - given that Maya is a thing that shouldn't exist, there's now a very real chance that "in the real world" aka world before the cycle of resets, Akira is guilty of 0 crimes. He was abused/groomed by Sekai, she died, he adopted Ami - end of story. Obviously things could have led to crimes with the lack of Maya (possibly literal god conjured to this end), but that's wild guessing.

Also, I'm reminded of what Sekaori/True Sekai said on the Sana event about Sana's refusal of Pegasus. She asks if she's avert to gods in general, or it was just that that one wasn't a good fit. Think about it. A good fit. Well, isn't Maya a perfect fit at the perfect time for Akira just after the accident? Where did she come from? No one knows (including Akira, as Maya never mentioned her parents - well, what parents?). Fabricated background that is misteriously in tone with Akira's own experience. Can take his dick even though it should be a Miku situation. Is able to steer him off the old city. And very importantly, why does Ghost Sekai (another entity) hate her so much?

Not only Maya is likely an entity (the stray) that answered his call (it has been confirmed Akira can pull forgotten gods from the bottom of the well), she's also the answer to him being able to go back to being an innocent victim (through her own erasure from the original timeline).
 

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Well, maybe Ami was never in the picture. Maybe it's her in Sekai's belly, and maybe she died with her. Maybe this Ami was just "made" by sensei. I mean, I was thinking something along those lines since tutoring thing. Since Ami is the same age as Noriko and Maya, why not tutor them all together? Ami would make new friends, class would be 50% bigger too.
Or it's just 2nd child, but, as said before, Sekai leaving Ami behind is doubtful. And if Ami was in the picture, she would've been mentioned as well. But nope.
 

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I'm struggling to buy the 12 years old bit when the sexual abuse started cause he looks a lot younger than that in the scenes we see and she fell in love with him when he was still a baby because every kid has developed object permanence by their first birthday and you then expect her to have just waited 11 years before an opportunity struck? Doesn't sound believable, as i said before, i expected the abuse to start around 5 to 7 ish, though i wouldn't be surprised if she did stuff when he was a baby cause who'd know if she was baby sitting him? A predator like her might back off once he could start talking but then once he was a little older and knew to keep his mouth shut i'd expect her to either wait for the soonest opportunity to start things back up, or concoct a scenario to cause it. 12 just seems crazy to me, sexually attracted to a baby but waits until he's hit puberty? Does sound right...
Kyoto recontextualizes just about everything we know or assumed about Sekai. I think we were (likely purposefully) led to some false assumptions about her.
 

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We aren't shown every waking moment of Sensei's day, either, so just because we didn't see Ayane rehearsing her routine doesn't mean it didn't happen, and it doesn't even mean Akira wasn't present for it.
I think this pretty much confirms that Sensei never saw Ayane practice in the original timeline.
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I agree that the RAS could easily still be in the reset, but I don't think they're experiencing memories in that case, but rather something like Maya's nightmare in the fourth reset where she immediately recognized the Sensei as fake.
Akira and Niki were not dating in Kyoto.
Are you saying this because Niki referred to Akira as "a friend" to her mother, rather than "my boyfriend"? That probably means their relationship isn't public yet, but given Niki's personality I would expect she still considers them a couple at this point. Akira told Sekai he has someone else who loves him now, so it's more than just casual sex between childhood friends with benefits.

Regardless, I think there's a number of reasons that it doesn't make sense for Akira to be in his twenties in the event, so I agree with your overall point.
Please God just be an oversight by Sel, because I would hate if Noriko were actually fake the entire time. She’s best girl…
Ha, I'm the exact opposite. I've never much cared for the Nakayamas as characters because they seem so implausible, so I'd enjoy a reveal that someone actually designed them to be Akira's ideal girls. I think it's pretty unlikely though.
Can take his dick even though it should be a Miku situation.
I think you're forgetting the most important theory of them all: Sensei's magically growing cock. Maybe Yumi was right all along and he really did have a micropenis before the resets started (please ignore the evidence just shown in Kyoto).
Since Ami is the same age as Noriko and Maya, why not tutor them all together?
At some point Ami said she wasn't smart enough for the material that Sensei was teaching. Whether you buy that or not is another story.
 

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Okey so here i suppouse the date of "Noriko old enough to sit in lap" is the date of the "Spotless mind"(i think is the event name) Edit:It is, i didn't see it in the time line lol
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Just in case, i want to say i don't want to "argue" or discuss negatively(?), just trying to understad all this stuf under the discarded possibility of selebus messing it up.
hmm yea that is quite alarming. If I were to defend it, I can push Spotless Mind a liiiiiittle earlier than 2007, banking on this "way later" not exceeding a year. If it's like you said, that "way later" means several years, it would violate a lot more things that aren't even the target of this timeline construction, as Akira and Niki had to start dating at 2007 to satisfy "they dated five years" and "Sekai died 8 years ago when Ami was 7" (additional ref here is Heaven for Human Blood)

I mean, this works, but only if you forego Kyoto. Here are the problems:

1. If Kyoto exists, then Ami must not have been born in its timeline. It's completely absurd that Akira or Sekai would conduct Kyoto the way they do if Ami is 6 years old, and it's Sekai's second pregnancy. Sekai loved Ami more than Akira. Or even that Ami'd think Nozomu was normal when he beat Sekai so much that she'd run away.

2. Also, if Kyoto exists then it can't have been in 2011 because Akira and Niki were not dating in Kyoto. Rather, Kyoto has to take place before they start dating. And the countdown of 5 years dating has to take place after it.

It had already been said, but this is very helpful in getting a clear picture of simply why Kyoto can't have existed in our timeline. By all means it should be in 2005, which makes everything else out of place (Noriko would be -1 during Kyoto, and at least -2 on Spotless Mind). Kyoto is in 2005 (assuming the pregnancy is Ami's, which it has to be - if it is in our timeline), Spotless Mind is even before it.
Yup, these are the parts that I feel strange too. But let's see here.......

1. I regard your Point 1 as the logical conjecture and thus is not put into consideration when constructing the timeline. For me the tug of war is between "Cannot find a plausible reasoning behind wha/why Sekai's proposing" and "Noriko should not have existed at that given time"; AKA, a plot stretch vs a plot mistake. The former still has a chance to be explained in the future no matter how unconvincing it might be, while the latter is simply a mistake and has no chance to explain itself without invoking things like "Selly fucked up" or "Noriko can violate causality", and these are much bigger and more irreversible assumptions.

2. Were they not dating already in Kyoto? Is it because they still referred to each other as friend or childhood friend when a third person was around, or did they say something specific about it? (let me doubt check...)

Regardless, the paths forward are something like these:
- Accept Kyoto in 2005 / Tolerate Noriko being -1 year old / Plothole identified
- Accept Kyoto in 2011 / Tolerate not being able to comprehend why Sekai would suggest that
- Does not believe Kyoto exist within the same linear timeline
Despite everything in Kyoto really really feeling like 2005 (I must admit, the emotional weight feels more fitting if it was her carrying Ami and if Akira was still 16), I still subjectively picked the second one because the alternatives either violate causality or are not bound by it. But if a second piece of event emerges in the future that also violates causality in a similar manner then I am jumping ship.

Edit: I don't understand why Kyoto has to take place within a year of the accident either. Is it because Sekai's supposed second child would have died in the accident?
That is my reasoning, yes. For a second pregnancy to be true, this is an assumption I have to make since neither Ami or ghost Sekai has ever mentioned about it.
 
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Well, maybe Ami was never in the picture. Maybe it's her in Sekai's belly, and maybe she died with her. Maybe this Ami was just "made" by sensei. I mean, I was thinking something along those lines since tutoring thing. Since Ami is the same age as Noriko and Maya, why not tutor them all together? Ami would make new friends, class would be 50% bigger too.
Or it's just 2nd child, but, as said before, Sekai leaving Ami behind is doubtful. And if Ami was in the picture, she would've been mentioned as well. But nope.
It would make a lot of sense for Ami to not be real, or rather her being there is very convenient to the forces that would be able to put a fake in her place. Because, really, she's what keeps Akira from killing himself. She's the first one he sees when the cycle starts, she's the one that "goes insane", she's the one that shows up during all sorts of happy events, she's the avatar of the xeonon, she's the substitute of the flower that Akira sought refuge in, she's her mother's stand-in, she's the oh so perfect little girl... At some point, we should probably start a tierlist on the likelyhood of characters not being real, cause this is getting interesting.
hmm yea that is quite alarming. If I were to defend it, I can push Spotless Mind a liiiiiittle earlier than 2007, banking on this "way later" not exceeding a year. If it's like you said, that "way later" means several years, it would violate a lot more things that aren't even the target of this timeline construction, as Akira and Niki had to start dating at 2007 to satisfy "they dated five years" and "Sekai died 8 years ago when Ami was 7" (additional ref here is Heaven for Human Blood)


Yup, these are the parts that I feel strange too. But let's see here.......

1. I regard your Point 1 as the logical conjecture and thus is not put into consideration when constructing the timeline. For me the tug of war is between "Cannot find a plausible reasoning behind wha/why Sekai's proposing" and "Noriko should not have existed at that given time"; AKA, a plot stretch vs a plot mistake. The former still has a chance to be explained in the future no matter how unconvincing it might be, while the latter is simply a mistake and has no chance to explain itself without invoking things like "Selly fucked up" or "Noriko can violate causality", and these are much bigger and more irreversible assumptions.

2. Were they not dating already in Kyoto? Is it because they still referred to each other as friend or childhood friend when a third person was around, or did they say something specific about it? (let me doubt check...)

Regardless, the paths forward are something like these:
- Accept Kyoto in 2005 / Tolerate Noriko being -1 year old / Plothole identified
- Accept Kyoto in 2011 / Tolerate not being able to comprehend why Sekai would suggest that
- Does not believe Kyoto exist within the same linear timeline
Despite everything in Kyoto really really feeling like 2005 (I must admit, the emotional weight feels more fitting if it was her carrying Ami and if Akira was still 16), I still subjectively picked the second one because the alternatives either violate causality or are not bound by it. But if a second piece emerges in the future that also violates causality in a similar manner then I am jumping ship.


That is my reasoning, yes. For a second pregnancy to be true, this is a assumption I have to make since neither Ami or ghost Sekai has ever mentioned about it.
I can see your reasoning now. Man, what a mess Selebus has made this time lol

Edit: Addressing both you and aramaug regarding Niki and Akira not dating during Kyoto. It's not just the friend x boyfriend thing. It's present in the whole event (there is a tension regarding their relationship not being defined - this extends even to her mother not knowing how to address Sekai). Niki is uncertain how they should part (kiss or hug), she reminds him of how long they've known eachother (as if she's hinting at something), It's Akira that doesn't want to have sex (again holding back against Niki's insistence about advancing their relationship), Akira is also uncertain how to explain his relationship with Niki to Sekai (whereas in the future Sekai refers to them as boyfriend x girlfriend), and if all of that wasn't enough, Kyoto serves as a defining reason for Akira to make Niki his girlfriend. It's right there when he chooses to stay, that's when the "not defined" relationship that was displayed throughout the event becomes defined, he wants to be her boyfriend, and likely becomes so right after it.
 
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I think you're forgetting the most important theory of them all: Sensei's magically growing cock. Maybe Yumi was right all along and he really did have a micropenis before the resets started (please ignore the evidence just shown in Kyoto).
New headcanon: It's not that Akira has a magic cock, it's that Yumi has a magic vagina that causes men she sleeps with to experience massive penile growth, and when she slept with him, he DID have a micropenis.
 

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New headcanon: It's not that Akira has a magic cock, it's that Yumi has a magic vagina that causes men she sleeps with to experience massive penile growth, and when she slept with him, he DID have a micropenis.
It is a rather well known fact that Yumi is one of the foremost characters in this game to cause penile growth.
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Edit: Also, we did it: 500 messages just two days after the update. Yep, it was definitely a good one.
 
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