Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

All vaginas are built different. Sensation is perceived differently as well. Some girls of the same size can take a lot and others have trouble with even small dicks/objects. As much as I dislike that scene, I interpreted it as a repressed memory that was being drawn out rather than something fabricated.

Repressed by who? Tsuneyo? So you think she stood there, watched him rape her, pulled out and finished on her, then flew in with sword drawn? Akira? He's militantly anti-having-kids, has he ever fucked someone with the intention of getting them pregananant?

 

[AkiraRegalia]

why has nobody considered that the resets started happening before this game's starting point

 

[Bingoogus]

why has nobody considered that the resets started happening before this game's starting point

Possible, but falls too far out into the realm of infinite speculation. We need some kind of indicator to give it some legs before we can try and get it to walk.

 

[Psygore]

Longtime reader first time poster and all that, but: hi

I think the proposed 2005-2020 timeline for Sekai and the Nakayamas would work if we assume, as it's already been posited in multiple occurrences, that Ami might not be 100% real and, in fact, somewhat fictional/fabricated, not unlike the G̶O̶D̶S̶ gods, but based on a human that existed/was about to exist.
If we accept Pareidolia's words as an actual honest and truthful explanation of what a god is (or at least how they come into existence, with Akira pulling aspects out of a wishing well of forgotten deities) and take into account how frequent 'reality rewrites' seem to be within the Kumon-mi bubble, I believe it isn't so far fetched to suggest that:

1. Sekai in 2011 ('Kyoto' event) is pregnant with Ami (Akira's child)
2. Akira refuses to flee with her
3. Sekai dies shortly thereafter (2012) in the car crash
4. Ami is created by either one of the gods or Akira himself as a manifestation/result (or taking advantage) of his feelings of guilt: "if only i had left with Sekai and accepted to be a father to her baby, she'd still be alive". Akira makes himself be the caretaker of the baby he rejected and Ami gets retconned into existence, but as being born at a point in time (2005) where it would make sense for her to be the right age to be his niece/student in the present. Also, convienient tool to keep Akira in Kumon-mi and alive: he has to take care of Ami. But if she was still in the womb during the car crash, he couldn't possibly assume that mantle, so she "was already there" and was left orphaned by the car crash.
   Akira never mustered the strenght to shake himself out of depression stasis to go get her out of an orphanage, instead while in his episode/stasis he willed her into existence and deluded himself in having gone retrieve her.
5. Maya 'the stray with no past' gets created (or drawn from the well) to be his perfect distraction/coping mechanism and an outlet for the predatory urges on minors he "inherited" from his abuser Sekai. Entities hate her because by obsessing on her Akira doesn't focus on what they want him to do: abuse Ami, continue the cycle, thus making her into a new vessel for the voices/gods, as Akira, Sekai and Yuu have been as a result of a 'gifted' relative abusing them.
   I am here also taking for valid the convoluted incestuous NiB family tree theory
6. Later on Pareidolia comes into being has the perfect scapegoat to blame for urges and actions Akira feels remorseful for

It si, obviously, speculation since there's a lot we still don't know and all LiL narrators are, each to their own degree, unreliable, but i think this could work. Still, I'd be honored if Moonflare and the other loremasters pointed out flaws in my reasoning, love the work you guys do on here

 

[DeanNoriko]

All this talk about Maya, Ami, Noriko and Niki not being real is making me have a headache.

I still find it more likely that Sel is just a dumb dumb and made a mistake mentioning Noriko in that scene and the proofreaders having dunce caps on. It's human to make mistakes.
However, of course there's a chance that it was intentional. But would he really hint at that being a possibility in this abstract way, by giving us doubts about the timelines?

Anyway, what I really wanted to say to escalate the discussion a little bit:

Spoiler: Another dumb theory I pulled out of my ass

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Now I don't really think this is very likely either, but it's probably easy to jump to conclusions because of some small details. Maybe I am missing something, but just some timeline continuity errors in an event that, for all we know, might also simply not be very accurate, is not enough for me to jump on this wagon. Naturally pink hair is as unlikely as naturally green, blue or purple hair.
Though Maya's hair color seems conveniently natural to me...

 

[JelF547]

why has nobody considered that the resets started happening before this game's starting point

If aging during reset cycle is possible, it'd likely already happend, so this theory is just weak

 

[axe420]

Repressed by who? Tsuneyo? So you think she stood there, watched him rape her, pulled out and finished on her, then flew in with sword drawn? Akira? He's militantly anti-having-kids, has he ever fucked someone with the intention of getting them pregananant?

Yeah, Tsuneyo. I think that maybe she was in shock at the time. I've been around in lurk for while, but skimmed or skipped past most of the deep dive stuff in the thread. Isn't the running theory that Akira is being controlled by one of the entities while he's blacked out?

 

[Meskal1ne]

Yeah, Tsuneyo. I think that maybe she was in shock at the time. I've been around in lurk for while, but skipped past most of the deep dive stuff in the thread. Isn't the running theory that Akira is being controlled by one of the entities while he's blacked out?

Doesnot matter if it was Pareidolia or Akira himself. Molly said that nothing bad happened and we have no reasons to not trust her. Othervise we have no reason to trust Sekai, and she was narrator in Tsuneyo's event. I take it as one of illussion(fake) or another realm made by Sekai.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

proofreaders having dunce caps on. It's human to make mistakes.

Does he have proofreaders? Given that he is such a “good” man, any proofreaders he might have had left him years ago.

 

[hario1225]

Because it keeps you losers in line and 2nd guessing anything I tell you
Ooga booga

Bold of you to assume you can keep us in line

 

[hario1225]

Sel was considerate enough to add a humping sound considering he rarely adds even a single animation every update lol

 

[DeSkel15]

OK, I've made a timeline draft due to the recent mass confusion regarding Noriko's presence in Kyoto.

Some disclaimers are:
1. This timeline is constructed under the assumption that there is no time fuckery or developer oversight or any other shenanigan. I.e., assuming everything shown is from a linear timeline and Selly did not fuck up at all.
(not that I don't think it's impossible. It's just those two possibilities are the absolute trump cards that overrule literally every argument without needing much reasoning. If there is a way to fit things into one flawless linear path then it'd be my go-to until it can no longer be done)

2. I try using ONLY "what's written in the textbox" as the sole determinant, avoiding judging ages based off character models (unless a vastly different model is used), or using conjectures from the conversation no matter how logical they might be.
As in, ONLY using "what is stated here".

3. Following up, "what is stated here" is regarded as absolutely factual without considering the chances of the characters lying unless it is VERY overt.
(this is to avoid rabbit holes like "your evidences are lying while mine are not!")

4. Other events not within the window between Noriko's birth year and the year of The Accident are omitted, with the exception of Present that serves as a reference point.
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For me, the confusion that I got is probably due to the fact that there exist only two character models in the game, and the teen version only represents "time during the past" as a broad stroke and will not reflect on "when exactly". For example, if you are willing to believe this timeline draft, that means Niki was in her 20 during Kyoto and she looked almost identical to the Niki when she was 14.

In addition, if one depends too much on character models to place a scene on the timeline, the following scene will make absolutely no sense whether you agree with this timeline or not.

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Again the purpose is not meant for defending Selly. This is to, if it's at all possible, fit everything together in the simplest way. Let me know if I screw up somewhere.

Little late, but just to add to the timeline stuff:

Noriko was already following Sensei around when she was 3:

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Wizards are mostly supergeniuses who are seemingly inherently attracted towards Sensei in Kumon-mi, so I wouldn't be too surprised if Noriko was bothering Niki and Sensei as an infant...

Noriko is confirmed to be 16 at the start:

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According to the Care Packages. (Ayane is 15, and Kaori is 22, so it's likely referring to their ages at the start of Chapter 1) Ami should be only around a month younger than Noriko and has a bday early in Chapter 1, meaning she's more or less 16 for most of the game. (The game itself seemingly starting in August. Ami's birth month.)

So, Ami and Noriko were probably born in July and August 2004 since they turn 16 in 2020.

This would mean Sekai and Mama Nakayama were knocked up in 2003, which is when 'Kyoto' should be taking place if Sekai is recently pregnant with Ami.

The Accident happens when Ami is 7 (assuming Sensei isn't rounding):

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So it could be as early as 2011, and up to 9 years ago which is probably why Niki compares it to almost a decade:

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The last 8 years part probably wasn't counting this year:

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Overall: That timeline might be around a year off, but it should be around those time periods when things happened, eitherway.

Except for Kyoto, since it simply doesn't fit if Sekai was just now pregnant with Ami, with Noriko already around, even though she should still be in her mother's womb.

Edit: Unless this 'Kyoto' Happy Event is meant to be some kind of confirmation that Ami is actually around a year younger than everyone, like Rin, and just no one is aware of it. Which could also explain her physical development, if time itself isn't simply deaging Ami to fit Sensei's taboo preference, retroactively, or some crap.

 

[Sirfappington123]

That's not true. You want to say that girl same size as Miku, didn't notice Akira penetration? With so much power that we see in Tsuneo event? Nonsence.

The biggest tell that it wasn't real, is that he pulled out.

 

[throwawaysponge]

I've had the worst game night so it is time to steel myself for 8bit good kids and handle the raw sensei quest fuckery.

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Random ost but somehow appropriate?

I'll be back next month after I'm done with this dogshit grind because I hate Sele and his self inflated ego similar to my own uwu. URM go brr the moment i get bored

 

[JelF547]

Edit: Unless this 'Kyoto' Happy Event is meant to be some kind of confirmation that Ami is actually around a year younger than everyone, like Rin, and just no one is aware of it. Which could also explain her physical development, if time itself isn't simply deaging Ami to fit Sensei's taboo preference, retroactively, or some crap.

A year and a month younger is not enough (And she probably is, because it still makes her half-a-year older then Rin in that case and Sel doesn't know how japanese schoold work).

It's not like Sekai was in her third trimester and it's hard to believe that 10mo Noriko already spied on her sister

 

[Riolol]

That's not true. You want to say that girl same size as Miku, didn't notice Akira penetration? With so much power that we see in Tsuneo event? Nonsence.

Remember Nodokathon? Molly may technically be a virgin but she clearly has experience with dildos.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Does he have proofreaders? Given that he is such a “good” man, any proofreaders he might have had left him years ago.

Technically, the Discord denizens are his proofreaders, but they proofreader after release and he corrects in the next update.

 

[uhhhwhat]

Wow that was a good update! Also kudos to the loremasters on here for some of those correct theories!

1) That Io update was way too wholesome for us non-greeners. Like, uncharacteristically wholesome especially for LiL. There was even a wizard Io in the background to add some symbolism to the mix.

Spoiler: Background Io

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2) Speaking of backgrounds, the shadows were a little odd on some characters. With the real/fake debate going on that made me go hmmm, but I always have my tinfoil hat on so. The scene where Maya and Niki having random NPC shadows reminded me of that part in "Not the Nightingale" where Ami had Maya's shadow and everything was glitchy.

Spoiler: Ami Shadow

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On a shapeshifter hunt check the background Friends!

3) Pareidolia is a big fat liar, and I don'y buy the tsundere shtick. But the airbnb reveal was cool, also fit what was added to the wiki recently. That the newer gods can be hired or are used for different purposes, and that there is a "discovery" and "capture". RIP Nodoka.

4) Wild ending, but I'd bet they are still in the reset. And I'd further bet there might be another reset in 0.45, too many weird hidden things and stuff that seemed off. How wild would it be if Sel kept the three different timelines going on for a bit, as if this game isn't hard to follow as it is.

I'm not even touching Kyoto.

 

[Meskal1ne]

Remember Nodokathon? Molly may technically be a virgin but she clearly has experience with dildos.

i remember that she barely could handle medium one. It can't be compared with Akira's elpehaunt trunk. If Akira hammered her firsttime so intence like we see in Tsuneyo event, next event Molly would be in wheelchair.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Somehow, that update brings a lot of new people here