if you want to get really technical here, otoha ntr'd the shit out of akira with rin*mind you I already know that rin is basically a really horny bi sexual person*also fuck otoha and just bury her underground that was the worst character selebus could have ever written
Still, I find it very funny how a LiL player, and porn games players in general could potentially be okay with elements in their stories like cheating, self-harm, violence, gore, drug use, mental disabilities, suicide, murder, torture, etc...but NTR is where they draw the line.
well, because ntr is the only one in that group that causes the corruption of a fantasy fulfillment scenario. I notice that you put ntr and cheating apart from eachother, from which I presume that you're talking ntr as the fetish example of cheating - so that'd make it even more self evident.
tldr is that ntr is by its very nature different from all of these other tags, from which I draw no surprise at people being able to have problems with it, even if they don't with everything else.
1. The suffering and abuse of others is acceptable and sometimes even desirable, however, the moment the MC, and by extension I myself, risk to suffer the slightest bit of inconvenience, humiliation or loss of control, it becomes an issue so extreme that the author must be sick in his mind to ever consider including such a thing in a work of art.
2. You do not see him as an extension of yourself, most of the time, but as a distinct character with his own desires, needs and thoughts that you follow within a story.
3. I would assume those players see the game differently from "us" and do insert themselves into the role of the MC and do feel like they lose control and are attacked personally when a potential LI is being sexed up by somebody else
1. Exactly, it's about the forced perspective of "the victim".
2. Yes, I also think that Akira being his own character is one of the cornerstones of LiL working.
3. I mean, not necessarily? What you describe might certainly apply to a lot of people, but I think other examples might also be true. I can feel revulsion at Maya being raped because I like Maya as a character, and don't want her to be hurt - regardless of her cheating on Akira or not. Or I can simply abhor cheating as a concept, and would not like to see it (as I'd assume people that don't follow the Haruka storyline do).
I have so much to say about this. So I'll say nothing Waiting for Otoha to get doggystyled/slapped the fuck out of her though, her ass is her one redeeming feature.
Hear me out: What if the next headpat is with Nodoka? Remember how she hugged Akira and wished she had done that a long time ago? She asked Akira to stop her from researching, what if he does that through the wholesome route?
Edit: And honestly, never saw this coming, and it will be a win for DeSkel for me to say it, but I really hope Nodoka gets some rest. Poor girl deserves it.
well, because ntr is the only one in that group that causes the corruption of a fantasy fulfillment scenario. I notice that you put ntr and cheating apart from eachother, from which I presume that you're talking ntr as the fetish example of cheating - so that'd make it even more self evident.
tldr is that ntr is by its very nature different from all of these other tags, from which I draw no surprise at people being able to have problems with it, even if they don't with everything else.
1. Exactly, it's about the forced perspective of "the victim".
2. Yes, I also think that Akira being his own character is one of the cornerstones of LiL working.
3. I mean, not necessarily? What you describe might certainly apply to a lot of people, but I think other examples might also be true. I can feel revulsion at Maya being raped because I like Maya as a character, and don't want her to be hurt - regardless of her cheating on Akira or not. Or I can simply abhor cheating as a concept, and would not like to see it (as I'd assume people that don't follow the Haruka storyline do).
I have so much to say about this. So I'll say nothing Waiting for Otoha to get doggystyled/slapped the fuck out of her though, it's her one redeeming feature.
I have so much to say about this. So I'll say nothing Waiting for Otoha to get doggystyled/slapped the fuck out of her though, it's her one redeeming feature.
Also, just to address many of the posts I have not been reacting to regarding theories and overall impressions of the last update, I'll be doing that in one go as things calm down. There's a lot to go over.
There really is no telling since it's one of those things Sel hasn't brought up again. It could be all three, she could be Saki reincarnated or something else. It's probably one of those obscure things wehere if you figure this out you solve the game.
It's kind of crazy to think that way back when at the start of the thread that Selebus wanted to let the player give Sensei a name but just didn't for technical and story reasons ("why would students be calling their teacher by his first name / when did he even tell them his name"), then over time this transitioned instead to the lust name system. This is really interesting to think about in terms of self-insertion and how, at this point post ch1 rework, naming Sensei would be unfathomable - what intention with Sensei may have changed in the rework? It is also food for thought when it comes to the very fact that we have ownership of defining Sensei's name/identity only in lustful contexts. Now what thematic resonance might that have?
I have finished the update and i have only 1 way to react to it
I really enjoy it with all the things that happened, im really curious how things are going to end what will happen.
I have finished the update and i have only 1 way to react to it View attachment 4201493
I really enjoy it with all the things that happened, im really curious how things are going to end what will happen.
Ayane and Yumi may have went pop (from Makoto's perspective) then ended up running into a Maya Prime (during the Reset), then got swallowed by HOPE (during the Reset after reaching that versions roof), though. Ayane having that Maya Prime's scarf, yet memories of the Ayane that went pop would suggest this.
Of course, there's always the possibility that these main versions on the roof are merely new versions with memories and modifications from past main versions to simulate the survival of those past main versions, but who knows.
Hear me out: What if the next headpat is with Nodoka? Remember how she hugged Akira and wished she had done that a long time ago? She asked Akira to stop her from researching, what if he does that through the wholesome route?
Edit: And honestly, never saw this coming, and it will be a win for DeSkel for me to say it, but I really hope Nodoka gets some rest. Poor girl deserves it.
I... fucken hell... i really want this now... just methodically patting her head as her super brain tries to understand it only to be forcefully switched off due to a primal base reaction, for her to experience a hereto foreign state of mind for her... peace...
I remember the first time i got proper messed up by a domme, physically abused until i entered subspace... the peace i found in there was incredible, for the first time in my life my brain switched off, all the autistic ADHD bullshit just washed away and i floated in a warm soothing cloud of nothingness... totally worth not being able to sit down for a few days cause my ass was purple
Also, just to address many of the posts I have not been reacting to regarding theories and overall impressions of the last update, I'll be doing that in one go as things calm down. There's a lot to go over.
That was Mostly a joke regarding Yumi I still don't have any idea what that's about. But I think the color is closest to the pink of Ami's name. I am starting to see some Ami, Old One and Orb through lines but I don't necessarily want to jump on them because they are pretty loose fitting connections. I will try to write some of them out and post them later.
Once I get back to the room that's all there is the the update right? I can't find any missing events for any girls but there's a suspicious ??? in happy events
Ayane and Yumi may have went pop (from Makoto's perspective) then ended up running into a Maya Prime (during the Reset), then got swallowed by HOPE (during the Reset after reaching that versions roof), though. Ayane having that Maya Prime's scarf, yet memories of the Ayane that went pop would suggest this.
There is no Maya Prime in 0.45. She is still in well i think (or really erased).
We saw copy of Maya Prime without last two years, but this is not the girl we have been watching since the beginning of the game.
Personally I just don't like the scene because I'm tired of Selebus putting Ami on a pedestal every single update constantly, like damn other girls exist too.
At least there's finally some pay-off for all these warnings Maya was handing out about Ami supposedly killing people just because, about time that happened.
A lotta things in the game seem like Sel just like to focus on one girl or convolute the entire process just so he can have a power flex and ban people for "not reading" as if the things he's writing make any sort of sense at a face value.
I don't think they have. The Mayas we've seen since weren't the Maya that the MCAkira fell in love with. That Maya is (theoretically) dead/erased from existence.
The NuMaya we've gotten since and the the AltMaya we saw in the last update could be and (for the sake of character progression) probably should be considered different characters.