Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

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I guess my previous comment on Niki was somehow neglected? Shouldn't reply on night. Anyway I'm inclined to reiterate it since I'd like to hear your thoughts.

So, in Ad Meliora main event, we met Himawari The girl with blue eyes again pretending to be Sana. And after that she tried to warn us that perhaps not everyone Akira encountered is real. Which brought me to some thoughts, especially considering she pointed out two people share strong connecting with Akira's past.

Spoiler: Ami and Niki

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And truth to be told, to some extent, I didn't believe anyone from Akira's past to be "real" from scratch, with exception of Maya (only I believe that Ami is Maya?). Neither is sister in law of Akira called Sekai in reality as some pot plant said in the beach. I mean it's obvious that Sekai—World is not a common name on anyone.

The authenticity of Niki is further questioned when I surprisingly stumbled upon a line with similiar ending in Hand of God where Yasu posessed by Hope Pareidolia finally lost all his patience and ranted mockery on all hypocrisy Akira ever did.

Spoiler: YOU are the root of all evil

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Niki also gave me a vibe of surplus, something too dreamy. And Akira's past, to sum up, is a story of endless fake substitutes trying to cover his holes. That's why I always find it hard to treat Noriko or Niki as essential as Ami or Maya.

 

[Moonflare]

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Seriously though, for those not in the know, that is a jab at Selebus for that one time when he pulled a revelation out of his ass on discord and, even though it's not in the game, he said it's canon since he said it so. I'm not myself an insufferable know it all (most of the time).

Maybe that's THE dark route? Because Akira's dark (black) hole is gonna be destroyed over and over?

It'd be funny when he met the Himawari of that universe and he found out that she was a woman there...

I guess my previous comment on Niki was somehow neglected? Shouldn't reply on night. Anyway I'm inclined to reiterate it since I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Niki also gave me a vibe of surplus, something too dreamy. And Akira's past, to sum up, is a story of endless fake substitutes trying to cover his holes. That's why I always find it hard to treat Noriko or Niki as essential as Ami or Maya.

I haven't seen your post on Niki, unless you're talking about the one where you ask people's playtimes. In that case, I thought it was just an observation which most of us agree with, Himawari did indeed imply that Niki wasn't real. Then again, Ami implies that no one is real but her and Akira. That being said, let's theorize a bit:

Spoiler: Fake people and Maya corruption

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[LoveRedHairedGirl]

It'd be funny when he met the Himawari of that universe and he found out that she was a woman there...

Excuse me, are you implying that Himawari is a boy in our universe?

 

[Komikos]

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Seriously though, for those not in the know, that is a jab at Selebus for that one time when he pulled a revelation out of his ass on discord and, even though it's not in the game, he said it's canon since he said it so. I'm not myself an insufferable know it all (most of the time).

It'd be funny when he met the Himawari of that universe and he found out that she was a woman there...

I haven't seen your post on Niki, unless you're talking about the one where you ask people's playtimes. In that case, I thought it was just an observation which most of us agree with, Himawari did indeed imply that Niki wasn't real. Then again, Ami implies that no one is real but her and Akira. That being said, let's theorize a bit:

Spoiler: Fake people and Maya corruption

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This is the first time I hear of this.

So you're saying that(for the sake of our sanity) 2 realities exist.A corrupted and an uncorrupted one.

In the uncorrupted reality Maya simply never existed.Sekais plan worked? And akira married her.That is the reality that Ami and maybe Kaori vaguely rememeber via fragments.

In the corrupted reality(in game) some things are different,and it all stems from mayas existence.In this reality Maya exists so the things that you said happen(The whole noriko and niki spiel and what not).Also since this reality is corrupted that means that everyone and everything is just a copy of the original reality.

Am I getting this right?

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

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Seriously though, for those not in the know, that is a jab at Selebus for that one time when he pulled a revelation out of his ass on discord and, even though it's not in the game, he said it's canon since he said it so. I'm not myself an insufferable know it all (most of the time).

It'd be funny when he met the Himawari of that universe and he found out that she was a woman there...

I haven't seen your post on Niki, unless you're talking about the one where you ask people's playtimes. In that case, I thought it was just an observation which most of us agree with, Himawari did indeed imply that Niki wasn't real. Then again, Ami implies that no one is real but her and Akira. That being said, let's theorize a bit:

Spoiler: Fake people and Maya corruption

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yall dont ever think that if I was Himawari I'd just try to make sure my dad ends up with my mother?

 

[Moonflare]

Excuse me, are you implying that Himawari is a boy in our universe?

And you all thought Prince Ami was endgame when the real prince was in Ami/Amy the second pants.

This is the first time I hear of this.

So you're saying that(for the sake of our sanity) 2 realities exist.A corrupted and an uncorrupted one.

In the uncorrupted reality Maya simply never existed.Sekais plan worked? And akira married her.That is the reality that Ami and maybe Kaori vaguely rememeber via fragments.

In the corrupted reality(in game) some things are different,and it all stems from mayas existence.In this reality Maya exists so the things that you said happen(The whole noriko and niki spiel and what not).Also since this reality is corrupted that means that everyone and everything is just a copy of the original reality.

Am I getting this right?

It's the first time you're hearing of it because it's a theory that comes straight from the last update. But generally, yes.

Now, mind you, regardless of corrupted realities, the people of the cycles are half-shadows anyway. They are the real them at the same time they're not. That could be because the real people are dreaming and what we see are fragments of their conscience inside a simulation, or because they are fragments of the whole cast adrift through multiple realities, we don't know.

Regarding the corrupted realities, we have enough evidence of multiple cycles existing where Sekai married Akira, or at least was alive. The Pareidolia mall reality has Amy having lunch with her mom after her boyfriend (Akira fell down the hole), in "arms bent back" we see them forming a family unit that is aware of the cycles, in the Happy Ending timeline (where Nodoka is murdered) we have a lot of detail as to how it came to be (Akira married Sekai right after "Kyoto"). I'm assuming that is generally how all of these realities started because getting married to Akira is what preserves Sekai's life, and she's alive in all of them.

Then we have the realities where Sekai is dead. Well, the difference between all of them is that when Sekai is alive, Maya doesn't exist. And when Sekai is dead, Maya is there. If we couple that with the fact that Ami seemed to have "Maya's place" in the cycles where Maya wasn't there, and the fact that Ami seemed to have been experiencing the cycles for much longer than Maya (the scary room scene in the last update), we can conclude that the cycles started from a reality where Maya didn't exist and Sekai was alive. Then, at some point, Maya started existing and the past got altered. I don't know if the past actually got altered, or it's just their memories of the past that did though.

For example, it could be that when the cycles stop, Sekai is just there alive, cause she never died in the first place (the first timeline being the real one). This is all very novel, mind you, because it hinges on things revealed during the last update for which we could certainly use more clarification.

 

[Komikos]

And you all thought Prince Ami was endgame when the real prince was in Ami/Amy the second pants.

It's the first time you're hearing of it because it's a theory that comes straight from the last update. But generally, yes.

Now, mind you, regardless of corrupted realities, the people of the cycles are half-shadows anyway. They are the real them at the same time they're not. That could be because the real people are dreaming and what we see are fragments of their conscience inside a simulation, or because they are fragments of the whole cast adrift through multiple realities, we don't know.

Regarding the corrupted realities, we have enough evidence of multiple cycles existing where Sekai married Akira, or at least was alive. The Pareidolia mall reality has Amy having lunch with her mom after her boyfriend (Akira fell down the hole), in "arms bent back" we see them forming a family unit that is aware of the cycles, in the Happy Ending timeline (where Nodoka is murdered) we have a lot of detail as to how it came to be (Akira married Sekai right after "Kyoto"). I'm assuming that is generally how all of these realities started because getting married to Akira is what preserves Sekai's life, and she's alive in all of them.

Then we have the realities where Sekai is dead. Well, the difference between all of them is that when Sekai is alive, Maya doesn't exist. And when Sekai is dead, Maya is there. If we couple that with the fact that Ami seemed to have "Maya's place" in the cycles where Maya wasn't there, and the fact that Ami seemed to have been experiencing the cycles for much longer than Maya (the scary room scene in the last update), we can conclude that the cycles started from a reality where Maya didn't exist and Sekai was alive. Then, at some point, Maya started existing and the past got altered. I don't know if the past actually got altered, or it's just their memories of the past that did though.

For example, it could be that when the cycles stop, Sekai is just there alive, cause she never died in the first place (the first timeline being the real one). This is all very novel, mind you, because it hinges on things revealed during the last update for which we could certainly use more clarification.

Hmm so when Maya is alive Sekai is dead and when Sekai is Alive Maya doesnt exist.



So if we use this simple rule then we would have roughly 2 timelines.





1st:Akira is born>He meets Sekai>Her plan works and they get married>End of timeline



2st(Maya exists):Timeline follows the 1st until the point where Maya starts existing and the timeline diverges,diverging point being the accident>Akira starts his tutor arc with the Pink sisters AND Maya>Timeline continues as it has in game.



So if we assume that this hypothesis is correct then we reach the conclusion that somehow Maya inserted herself into our reality(OR was inserted by something else),which altered things permanetely.The diverging point(Thats what im calling it at least) is the accident.That is when everything changes for everyone involved.And that is what eventually leads to Akira adopting Maya.

 

[Meskal1ne]

I dont get it, so why original non-corrupted Sekai world also keep rebooting? Or its normal in that happy timeline to kill people and using "magic"?

 

[SlidingSubject]

For example, it could be that when the cycles stop, Sekai is just there alive, cause she never died in the first place (the first timeline being the real one). This is all very novel, mind you, because it hinges on things revealed during the last update for which we could certainly use more clarification.

You know, it'd be pretty ironic if the cycles started because someone (maybe Ami, maybe someone else) wanted their happy ending, eventually Ami being the one at the helm, but could never get her happy ending (as shown by how even then that Akira still wanted to wait while Sekai kinda implied he was already grooming some of his students), so she Kyoto'd and accidentally Maya.

 

[Moonflare]

So if we assume that this hypothesis is correct then we reach the conclusion that somehow Maya inserted herself into our reality(OR was inserted by something else),which altered things permanetely.The diverging point(Thats what im calling it at least) is the accident.That is when everything changes for everyone involved.And that is what eventually leads to Akira adopting Maya.

Yes, that is what's been implied. Moreover, Maya is both a color that Akira stole and a child of accident, rather than of the clockwork. She could be either a god that one of the Akiras conjured at some point during the cycles, or even a corrupted process within the cycles, a bug, for lack of a better word.

I dont get it, so why original non-corrupted Sekai world also keep rebooting? Or its normal in that happy timeline to kill people and using "magic"?

She keeps rebooting because she's also a shadow, according to Ami, at least. It was implied that the main characters of the cycles were Akira and Ami. Sekai, as everyone else, only had a part to play. If you remember correctly, Sekai mentioned the police and Ami ruining everything for them - her concerns are regarding real world consequences, whereas Ami is aware that everything is playing in repeat.

It is my assumption that when Maya came into play, that changed Ami's status and she became unable to go along being the main girl as easily as she had before. Maybe her memories only came fragmented instead of preserving everything between cycles (as Maya does). Mind you, the reason as to why Maya doesn't behave like the cycles are her playground is because she's cursed with not being able to get closer to the one she loves, that Ami had no such issue. She seemed to be able to remember everything and it was only Akira that didn't. In that case, it's no wonder she'd just "reboot" everything as soon as she got tired or bored of the current cycle.

You know, it'd be pretty ironic if the cycles started because someone (maybe Ami, maybe someone else) wanted their happy ending, eventually Ami being the one at the helm, but could never get her happy ending (as shown by how even then that Akira still wanted to wait while Sekai kinda implied he was already grooming some of his students), so she Kyoto'd and accidentally Maya.

It's possible and calls for another very interesting theory, that being that Ami could be the one responsible for killing Sekai and conjuring Maya herself. If you're correct that the Original Ami wasn't able to fuck Akira, because that Akira would always have had grown up by marrying Sekai, then all her happy endings would be tainted because the Akira that married Sekai would be incompatible with having sex with her.

Thus, it could serve as motivation for Ami to change the timeline/memories of the past by having an Akira that would never grown up mentally, and thus could be coerced into having sex with her. That is actually a very interesting angle/explanation.

 

[SlidingSubject]

It is my assumption that when Maya came into play, that changed Ami's status and she became unable to go along being the main girl as easily as she had before. Maybe her memories only came fragmented instead of preserving everything between cycles (as Maya does). Mind you, the reason as to why Maya doesn't behave like the cycles are her playground is because she's cursed with not being able to get closer to the one she loves, that Ami had no such issue. She seemed to be able to remember everything and it was only Akira that didn't. In that case, it's no wonder she'd just "reboot" everything as soon as she got tired or bored of the current cycle.

Following my post too, what if the reason she can't get too close to Sensei is that when Maya was manifested, Ami lost her, let's say, Meta awareness while Maya gained it too, but without being aware she could control the timeline.
Stuff happened, Maya imprinted on Sensei, time passed, and then somehow Ami recovered her Meta, and seeing Akira with Maya broke her, which caused her to break Maya (thinking it'd get everything back to normal), which also started the resets because nobody was controlling the timeline, incidentally also splitting Maya and Meta Maya, and allowing the USERs to start hijacking stuff.

So now you have a lost kitten trying to figure out her place in the world, a cat who usurped the world and is being punished for it and Ami seething at being unable to truly change stuff (only being able to derive momentary pleasure in breaking Maya before that too is washed away), because she also gets reset and only "awakens" at a random moment either before or during each reset.

Spoiler: Behind the Smile

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[Komikos]

Following my post too, what if the reason she can't get too close to Sensei is that when Maya was manifested, Ami lost her, let's say, Meta awareness while Maya gained it too, but without being aware she could control the timeline.
Stuff happened, Maya imprinted on Sensei, time passed, and then somehow Ami recovered her Meta, and seeing Akira with Maya broke her, which caused her to break Maya (thinking it'd get everything back to normal), which also started the resets because nobody was controlling the timeline, incidentally also splitting Maya and Meta Maya, and allowing the USERs to start hijacking stuff.

So now you have a lost kitten trying to figure out her place in the world, a cat who usurped the world and is being punished for it and Ami seething at being unable to truly change stuff (only being able to derive momentary pleasure in breaking Maya before that too is washed away), because she also gets reset and only "awakens" at a random moment either before or during each reset.

Spoiler: Behind the Smile

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Your post gave me a bit of inspiration.

To paraphrase slightly my theory is that the existance known as "Maya" was created as a result of Amis actions.Let me explain:

I believe we all know that,to put it lightly,Ami is insane.If she feels threatened enough she will stop at nothing to secure a comfy life with Akira(I am also pretty sure Maya herself mentioned that Ami killed everyone in a cycle).So my theory goes like this.Something that could potentially jeopardize Amis ideal life with Akira happened and so she used her "Meta knowledge" or whatever you wish to call it to,more literal than not,twist the fabric of reality so that said "threat" dissapears.Mayas existance then was a REACTION from either GOD or the terminal itself to balance things out.Because i refuse to believe that Ami can just fuck with reality at no cost and with NO consequences.So Maya gets created,Ami now finds a new never before seen threat before her,goes ALL IN into the reality fuckery tricks,fucks up,and the resets begin.Now i believe that the resets themselves are,to put it bluntly,a huge fucking burden on the current terminal and so its "protective barrier" so to say weakened JUST enough so that the various gods that we know could inflitrate.So lots of resets happened,Ami lost her powers to Maya,the gods managed to root themselves firmly in place like parasites and the rest is as we know it.

 

[KaitoDaemon]

Spoiler: "Maybe Ami had a point."

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I take it that's from 46? Otherwise, I somehow missed something even though I have every event.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

I take it that's from 46? Otherwise, I somehow missed something even though I have every event.

That’s just something I made in CharaStudio. It’s not canon to the game.

 

[Budoop]

Totally could be though.

 

[derekthered56]

She keeps rebooting because she's also a shadow, according to Ami, at least. It was implied that the main characters of the cycles were Akira and Ami. Sekai, as everyone else, only had a part to play. If you remember correctly, Sekai mentioned the police and Ami ruining everything for them - her concerns are regarding real world consequences, whereas Ami is aware that everything is playing in repeat.

I'm a little iffy on this part. Sekai adapts remarkably quickly to Ami utterly ruining all their lives for someone who really believes that consequences exist. Unless Ami is warping her behavior somehow to fit her deranged sitcom fantasy.

 

[Moonflare]

I'm a little iffy on this part. Sekai adapts remarkably quickly to Ami utterly ruining all their lives for someone who really believes that consequences exist. Unless Ami is warping her behavior somehow to fit her deranged sitcom fantasy.

What do you mean Ami is warping it? If she was able to have actual control over anything she's be having sex with Akira.

I agree that Sekai's reaction was a bit strange, but then again, Sekai's a whole can of worms. Abused at home, light prostitution (possibly), abused by husband, pedophile, married her victim, recruited victims for new husband, supporter of her daughter having sex with her father... Add to that the implied gods talking in her head since birth, I can say she has some latitude in behaving as if Ami killing someone with a knife is an inconvenience rather than something to lose her head over.

Still strange though, but maybe she too knows a bit about what's going on (as many of the girls do at times).

 

[derekthered56]

What do you mean Ami is warping it? If she was able to have actual control over anything she's be having sex with Akira.

I vaguely remember Ami using cute girl magic to manipulate Io, Uta, and Akira in one of the good uncle events. Still not sure if that was a one-off or indicating that she does have supernatural powers; and if so, what the limits on that are.

I agree that Sekai's reaction was a bit strange, but then again, Sekai's a whole can of worms. Abused at home, light prostitution (possibly), abused by husband, pedophile, married her victim, recruited victims for new husband, supporter of her daughter having sex with her father... Add to that the implied gods talking in her head since birth, I can say she has some latitude in behaving as if Ami killing someone with a knife is an inconvenience rather than something to lose her head over.

Still strange though, but maybe she too knows a bit about what's going on (as many of the girls do at times).

Hard to say how Sekai "should" act but we do see in Kyoto that she does actually get stressed.

 

[Budoop]

Interesting that Sekai and Ami both called Akira her dad, as in biological dad during the last resets fuckery phase.
Feel like a decent amount of people knew this way earlier but Akira barely adressed it at the time.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Interesting that Sekai and Ami both called Akira her dad, as in biological dad during the last resets fuckery phase.
Feel like a decent amount of people knew this way earlier but Akira barely adressed it at the time.

someone's onto something here