Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

Ami starts blasting Niki's song while on her underwear, she hears Akira knocking on the door, but ignores it so that he has to come in. Akira starts imagining Niki while listening to the song, and Ami keeps flirting with him until he stops imagining Niki to just focusing on Ami. This is all a calculated move, mind you, including the song.

Spoiler: Something darker

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Then, Akira asks her what family is, and he realises he fucked up because he just asked someone with only one person left what family was. Surprisingly, Ami calls him a pervert. This is yet another indication that this has happened before, as someone in her position wouldn't naturally go this way upon being asked that - she basically ignores it and doubles down on her seduction tactic. Ami goes on to say that she will just have to satisfy him as long as he doesn't involve himself with anyone else (which is the deal he takes on the Karin world).

Spoiler: Something darker

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During this conversation Akira notes that she's trying to entrap him and that she's way smarter than she pretends to be. Then he slips and finds himself on top of her. This slip is very likely to have been Nodoka's compulsion, he's repeating what he has done multiple times in previous cycles (attacking Ami, which Maya mentioned that she's always the first, and most of the time he barely leaves the house after falling for her, which means this plan works - also, important to note that Ami's likely always the first because she makes it so with this event everytime).

Spoiler: Something darker

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Then when Akira asks her why she's so sure he won't hurt her, she starts monologuing about how their minds/bodies won't even allow it to happen. Which, in retrospect/in context, she's clearly talking about previous Akiras that all fell for this ploy. That's when everything changes because Akira LEAVES.

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This is genius because, it's so freaking obvious:

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Ami isn't confused about Akira pushing her down, she's confused as to why he didn't follow through for the first time in countless cycles. All of this was a planned out routine that always works. Something is different with this Akira. He controlled himself and went away. This is what she's confused about.

I think one might even say that she is the something darker. Akira, after all, was able to resist the trap she set up for him, he's something "lighter" than the Akiras she's used to.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Hey guys I got my hands on the care packages and I noticed they contain some pdf files that are password locked, does anyone know the passwords?

Letter01 PRAISEBE
Letter02 SUMMER
Letter03 ZACHARIEL

(case sensitive)

 

[Tommykjohnson1990]

Many people commented on my findings about Ami and Himawari, I unfortunately will not be writing in-depth replies as I'm on a tight schedule just to play the game and report what I find (also because some of the regulars have already replied and provided explanations).

Spoiler: Bias and Himawari

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Random notes on the replay that didn't merit their own posts:

Spoiler: minor notes

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I thought Futaba was first. Wasn't that an issue she had when the book came out finding out she was the first to give in to Sensei?

 

[notproudofbeinghere]

Is the game good ?

lowkey the worst thing that happened to me

 

[Bingoogus]

lowkey the worst thing that happened to me

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

 

[Vizer007]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

Damn, dude, if only I had time I would've replayed this game, especially after seeing all these things that I missed (and would've probably still missed even if I played again by myself), but I can't...so, thank you for sharing these and keep going!

 

[Dc345]

Sel posted another preview but then quickly deleted it. And by the looks of it nobody seemed to catch it.

 

[Moonflare]

What kind of phone call would make Chika, a pretty laid back character who was chilling with her love interest at her dorm to make her run back to home?

It isn't clear who calls Chika exactly, but she seems pretty okay with it. She doesn't try to rush or anything like that. She's more or less just a bit scared what will Akira think about it, so she goes for the kiss (maybe a bit out of desperation that he'll abandon her after this). The slip of her crying is really out of place cause things don't seem so bad.

I thought Futaba was first. Wasn't that an issue she had when the book came out finding out she was the first to give in to Sensei?

Futaba thinks she was the first, and that was the version Nodoka chose to go with. I mean, given how many cycles Nodoka has fragments of, I'm pretty sure Futaba was the first in many of them. But she doesn't have to be the first in ours, and I think it's even sadder that she isn't.

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

Hey, outliving LiL is literally one of the first things that I think about when compiling a list of "why can't I die yet" So that's a big plus in my life. You won't kill me, Selebus. I will see the true end!

Have these random pictures I've been collecting too!

Spoiler: random screenshots

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Mind you, that one screenshot with Ayane feeding Maya also ends with Ayane straight up telling Maya she has feelings for Akira. Which I really didn't remember.

Yumi looks so cute too. If you do this event after "this town has two halves", it's a much needed break from her being assaulted, since she seems at least good enough to hang around and laugh (probably a courtesy from being Akira's partner so many times in previous cycles - and liking him in this one, although she didn't admit it yet by that point). So I guess it was less of a straight up assault (their kiss) and more of a really really bad way for something she wanted to go down. It is still an assault obviously, I'm talking about why her feelings are conflicted on it.

 

[crustlord12]

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

Agreed, I have this weird shame for playing it. I can't imagine getting caught by someone I care about because saying something like "no! I actually really only care about the story, I actually don't care about having sex with a massive harem, I promise!" isn't very believable. And if you play this game and think you know me in real life, no you don't.

Sel posted another preview but then quickly deleted it. And by the looks of it nobody seemed to catch it.

Wow, you're fired from being the preview guy, unbelievable

 

[Dc345]

Agreed, I have this weird shame for playing it. I can't imagine getting caught by someone I care about because saying something like "no! I actually really only care about the story, I actually don't care about having sex with a massive harem, I promise!" isn't very believable. And if you play this game and think you know me in real life, no you don't.


Wow, you're fired from being the preview guy, unbelievable

My apologies kind fellow. I heard the discord notification go off but the newest episode of DanDaDan had my undivided attention. But my sources are telling me Sel accidently leaked the Tsukasa sex scene, that's why it was gone so quickly.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

I was thinking the other day about "How would I make sense of Ami's situation without assuming her being all-knowing since the very beginning?". The struggle I always have is that, despite having a good amount of suspicious moments, there are still a considerably large amount of early Ami moments that don't sit well with that assumption; Ami being more crucial than she appears to be has always been an obvious theme, but “Ami knowing what was up ever since the beginning" is such a tough pill to swallow that I don't think I'd buy it without some heavy cherry picking (ex: arguments like "well she clearly knew shit in this event and she clearly was faking it in that event") or until some more defined evidences that support the same thing.

Then, I thought of Maya's interpretation of "Why girls already had preconceived notions of the type of person Sensei was", "Why girls quicky warmed up to a Sensei that underwent a complete switch in personalities", and "Why everyone just decided that not being taught anymore was ok" (all from her event Now More Than Ever). My understanding of her theory is that even if an iteration got hard reset and girls' memories were accordingly reformatted, their brains could still quickly adapt to a new iteration because, from a higher dimension perspective, most things the next iteration would do to/with the girls would not be their first time; they lost access to those specific memories but it doesn't mean they would feel unfamiliar once the next iteration starts repeating similar actions.

Originally, this event I think was supposed to be Maya implying why Sensei can advance with every girl so quickly without any hiccup, but potentially this can be applicable to Ami's situation. Via the same mechanism, Ami can quickly accept a new slate-cleaned iteration that knows literally nothing about anything, and quickly accept him starting to lust over her, without needing to know "how things were supposed to be one or a few apocalypses ago" or rather, "what apocalypses themselves are". This train of thoughts relies on at least two things: Maya's theory being correct and Maya holds the "correct" memories of what kind of a person "the original Sensei" was (aka, a correct frame of reference capable of attributing girl's quick adaptation to this memory reformatting theory instead of simply the kind of person Akira already was pre-resets). Her knowledge admittedly has not been impeccable, but in this case it's an easier sell for me to use her theory to rationalize early Ami moments in comparison to assuming the Ami since the beginning knows as much as the Ami that tortures New Maya.

 

[Moonflare]

I was thinking the other day about "How would I make sense of Ami's situation without assuming her being all-knowing since the very beginning?". The struggle I always have is that, despite having a good amount of suspicious moments, there are still a considerably large amount of early Ami moments that don't sit well with that assumption; Ami being more crucial than she appears to be has always been an obvious theme, but “Ami knowing what was up ever since the beginning" is such a tough pill to swallow that I don't think I'd buy it without some heavy cherry picking (ex: arguments like "well she clearly knew shit in this event and she clearly was faking it in that event") or until some more defined evidences that support the same thing.

Then, I thought of Maya's interpretation of "Why girls already had preconceived notions of the type of person Sensei was", "Why girls quicky warmed up to a Sensei that underwent a complete switch in personalities", and "Why everyone just decided that not being taught anymore was ok" (all from her event Now More Than Ever). My understanding of her theory is that even if an iteration got hard reset and girls' memories were accordingly reformatted, their brains could still quickly adapt to a new iteration because, from a higher dimension perspective, most things the next iteration would do to/with the girls would not be their first time; they lost access to those specific memories but it doesn't mean they would feel unfamiliar once the next iteration starts repeating similar actions.

Originally, this event I think was supposed to be Maya implying why Sensei can advance with every girl so quickly without any hiccup, but potentially this can be applicable to Ami's situation. Via the same mechanism, Ami can quickly accept a new slate-cleaned iteration that knows literally nothing about anything, and quickly accept him starting to lust over her, without needing to know "how things were supposed to be one or a few apocalypses ago" or rather, "what apocalypses themselves are". This train of thoughts relies on at least two things: Maya's theory being correct and Maya holds the "correct" memories of what kind of a person "the original Sensei" was (aka, a correct frame of reference capable of attributing girl's quick adaptation to this memory reformatting theory instead of simply the kind of person Akira already was pre-resets). Her knowledge admittedly has not been impeccable, but in this case it's an easier sell for me to use her theory to rationalize early Ami moments in comparison to assuming the Ami since the beginning knows as much as the Ami that tortures New Maya.

That's a valid explanation, but I personally disagree (at the moment). I haven't even reached the first reset, and the amount of stuff Ami knows is baffling. It is clearly on another level from the compulsion the other girls face. Ami seems to instrumentalize her knowledge, which then has to be knowledge, rather than just a compulsion.

I think a middle ground could be that there's a second Ami that knows stuff, and then there's the overall Ami that acts on compulsion. I can see myself leaning towards that. There's also another matter, which is that Ami knows stuff regardless. For instance, she knows about Maya and Akira. I don't think that's really up for discussion. Ayane knows that Maya likes Akira from the start, I'm pretty sure Ami knows they fuck even (regardless of reset knowledge).

For the event I talked about "something darker" there's really no other explanation for the way she did everything, and especially her confusion about Akira not following through in the end other than her knowing how it was supposed to go. That's one of the things I have been paying attention to, that being "does this make additional sense in a retcon way? Or did it simply not make any sense in the first place, and only now it does? (not retcon, but planned since the start). And I think this event simply didn't make sense before, and we just moved on because "well, sometimes this game doesn't make sense" (like Akira and Ami randomly having to clean brain matter from Ayane killing a janitor). And I'm sure other stuff will continue popping up, we'll see.

 

[barglenarglezous]

My apologies kind fellow. I heard the discord notification go off but the newest episode of DanDaDan had my undivided attention. But my sources are telling me Sel accidently leaked the Tsukasa sex scene, that's why it was gone so quickly.

Can confirm, but it wasn't with Akira. It was with Olaf the Snowman. Tsukasa is clearly telling Chinami about her self-insert Mary Sue Frozen slashfic.

 

[DeanNoriko]

That's a valid explanation, but I personally disagree (at the moment). I haven't even reached the first reset, and the amount of stuff Ami knows is baffling. It is clearly on another level from the compulsion the other girls face. Ami seems to instrumentalize her knowledge, which then has to be knowledge, rather than just a compulsion.

I think a middle ground could be that there's a second Ami that knows stuff, and then there's the overall Ami that acts on compulsion. I can see myself leaning towards that. There's also another matter, which is that Ami knows stuff regardless. For instance, she knows about Maya and Akira. I don't think that's really up for discussion. Ayane knows that Maya likes Akira from the start, I'm pretty sure Ami knows they fuck even (regardless of reset knowledge).

For the event I talked about "something darker" there's really no other explanation for the way she did everything, and especially her confusion about Akira not following through in the end other than her knowing how it was supposed to go. That's one of the things I have been paying attention to, that being "does this make additional sense in a retcon way? Or did it simply not make any sense in the first place, and only now it does? (not retcon, but planned since the start). And I think this event simply didn't make sense before, and we just moved on because "well, sometimes this game doesn't make sense" (like Akira and Ami randomly having to clean brain matter from Ayane killing a janitor). And I'm sure other stuff will continue popping up, we'll see.

While I always like your stances on anything LiL related, I feel like this is one of the rare cases in which I have doubts or am at least cautious to agree with you yet.

In an effort to still go through some chapter 1 scenes before you caught up to me and inevitably leave me in the dust, I got to the first event Kirin is fully introduced and here is where my prior argument regarding confirmation bias comes in.

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Looking at the conversation, I could also easily infer that Kirin must have some prior knowledge about resets and how things turned out in the past and that she knows Akira and that he is not acting as she was expecting him to, just like she would have had experienced his "typical" self in prior cycles.
It's just that I don't interpret it this way. I just think that Kirin is very confident and straightforward and likes to provoke.

Similarly, I would say that Ami's behavior could be explained outside of "well, she must clearly know about resets". I agree that there are instances where it might get hinted at, but just like fdsasdf_p I'm refusing to buy it yet. It could very well be coincidences or deliberate red herrings and shenanigans by Selebus.

But at the same time, sometimes playing this game makes me question what the fuck I'm doing with my life.

I don't need this game for me to do that

But in all seriousness, if playing the game is affecting your mental health in a negative way, it might indeed be best to take a break and come back with a clearer and more at-ease mindset.
Personally, I would say I have felt more of a net positive impact from experiencing the game over the years, or specifically also the past year where I caught up on a lot of content.
Sure, there are times where the game makes you feel really bad, deliberately so. But then there also very wholesome moments. And in general, I feel like the whole journey is more entertaining to me than weighing me down mentally. It leaves me more often than not with a good mood rather than depressed. But I also don't self-insert or identify with the MC too much, I'm sure that helps.
That being said, I chose not to play through Stomachache and also chose the good uncle path during my original playthrough, so there's that.

 

[Yggdrasil_Frahma]

If you could go back in time and stop yourself from ever playing LiL and magically guarantee that you would never learn of its existence, would you?

I think I would because the content you consume paints your mind, and spending hundreds of hours over the course of multiple years on LiL definitely paints your mind. I can't speak for others of course, but despite all the beautiful moments in LiL, Akira's depression, self-hatred, and constant negative self-talk surely has a net negative impact on my mental state as a reader. It varies heavily based on what is going on with my life at the time but I usually at least feel sad and worthless for a few hours after reading the dark scenes.

Honestly I've been thinking of quitting for some time now, and given what's probably gonna happen in the next update, it's as good a time as any. I think Sel will probably execute it in a way similar to Stomach Ache, in which case I think I'd be able to digest it just fine. But at the same time, sometimes playing this game makes me question what the fuck I'm doing with my life. At the current rate, I'll never achieve my ultimate life-goal of building a harem of catgirls...

Fuck!!

The night is darkest before the dawn. Although I am not personally trapped by the natural human proclivity to start to believe a thesis can only exist with its antithesis (e.g. tripe like 'there can be no peace without war,' 'there can be no happiness without suffering,' etc) it is undeniable that this manner of synergetic thinking has immense power over our psyches, and so when they can be used as tools it is beneficial to do so. Selebus is (unfortunately) imprisoned with the demons of his mind and has no choice but to fight a noble battle to see beauty within the darkness, to make the silver lining of clouds shine brighter than any stormy sky, and so on, with Lessons in Love being allegorical to these struggles. It is my opinion that being exposed to this darkness and being taught to find the light (in this case 'love') is likely a rather valuable life tool. A thought-provoking line from early in LiL is the narrator interrupting a happy scene to mockingly ask, "Why does this scare you? It's a game. You should be more scared about a real loved one dying." (or something to that effect). Although it is easy to interpret this merely as a flippant breaking of the fourth wall, careful analysis reveals a surprising amount of depth. Why /do/ people get so affected by fiction when real life is horrible enough? Why /do/ we fear the deaths of fictional characters sometimes more than we do the deaths of those in real life? Why /does/ everyone know death is inevitable yet ignore it? The sad, painful reality is that everything horrible in LiL reflects horrible things in real life that could happen to you or anyone at any point (abstractly - not referring to the so-called time loop here.) In many cases it will be beneficial to be equipped to face these demons. The worthlessness you feel after scenes, and the process of regaining strength afterwards, may be strengthening some part of your spirit such that over time you will be Stronger. You will have Grown. And thanks to that, you may be able to Survive.

So it's probably a good idea to play Lessons in Love and I wouldn't stop myself or most people even if I could. That said, most of the above doesn't apply to me since I am blessed with a spotless mind free of any demons or torment. The warm blanket of alexithymia keeps me safe even during the darkest and coldest nights. For me, and perhaps many of the more flippant users of this forum, Lessons in Love serves as fine entertainment and literature above all else. Some of the comments about it being an "addiction" that we "can't help ourselves but to play" feels a bit like an exaggeration, or an abstraction away from the more simple truth that it's just fun to read so like why not do fun things? Selebus's perfectionism is likely directed more at attempts to pre-emptively slay critics and shore up his self-confidence more than anything (and I so freely make guesses like this since the work invites it), but an undeniable side effect is pristine prose and thoughtful writing which is a pleasure to partake in. Good writing (and through it good character) is just way under-valued despite the enormous effect it has on enjoyment. I saw a completely ridiculous review from someone who said to play the original version of chapter 1 rather than the remade version because it introduced the horror better; this is STAGGERINGLY bad advice because, if for no other reason, the remade version has immensely better writing which improves the experience every single step of the way. So all other things equal I would encourage my past self to start Lessons in Love faster, if anything, to begin partaking in this fruit earlier rather than later.

 

[fasoaga]

I really wonder what are you guys thoughts on Ami event "everlasting love" replay function doesn't show the end part of the event (fuck you selebus) and i have no idea what that ending means.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

That's a valid explanation, but I personally disagree (at the moment). I haven't even reached the first reset, and the amount of stuff Ami knows is baffling. It is clearly on another level from the compulsion the other girls face. Ami seems to instrumentalize her knowledge, which then has to be knowledge, rather than just a compulsion.

I think a middle ground could be that there's a second Ami that knows stuff, and then there's the overall Ami that acts on compulsion. I can see myself leaning towards that. There's also another matter, which is that Ami knows stuff regardless. For instance, she knows about Maya and Akira. I don't think that's really up for discussion. Ayane knows that Maya likes Akira from the start, I'm pretty sure Ami knows they fuck even (regardless of reset knowledge).

For the event I talked about "something darker" there's really no other explanation for the way she did everything, and especially her confusion about Akira not following through in the end other than her knowing how it was supposed to go. That's one of the things I have been paying attention to, that being "does this make additional sense in a retcon way? Or did it simply not make any sense in the first place, and only now it does? (not retcon, but planned since the start). And I think this event simply didn't make sense before, and we just moved on because "well, sometimes this game doesn't make sense" (like Akira and Ami randomly having to clean brain matter from Ayane killing a janitor). And I'm sure other stuff will continue popping up, we'll see.

I'd agree that Ami talks in a foreboding tone far too often, making it seamless when we assume she knows more than she lets on. As a stringent person, however, the key thorn in my back is that this assumption (that she knows some stuff, no matter how much) simply must fit everywhere in addition to only the event in question Something Darker; it has to fit every early scene, not just those that look suspicious.

For example, the same Ami you're painting should also fit into these handpicked, non-suspicious, comical moments, as well as the rest of her early moments that I didn’t cherry pick this time.

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As for how I rationalize Ami's behaviors in Something Darker: Ayane mentioned that she noticed they way Sensei looked at her has changed recently, which prompted her to jump the gun and start actually pursuing what she originally thought would be an impossible wish (Operation: Fallen Angel). The same thing might've happened to Ami as well; she started feeling her uncle's gaze becoming scorching after Sensei's reincarnation, which also prompted the incestuous niece to no longer shy away from entrapping her uncle, someone that she always wanted anyway. There is a little dialogue during BREED YOUR NIECE minigame that can sum this up.

Of course, any material from that minigame will have to go through some validation processes so don't take it too seriously; but the point I want to make is that there are ways that can rationalize Am's early actions even when I assume she knew absolutely nothing, just like how you would perceive Something Darker before the last update arrived (unless it has never made sense to you). Being able to look at early Ami in a different light is one exciting thing, but whether that point of view matches everything else is a different story.

 

[Moonflare]

While I always like your stances on anything LiL related, I feel like this is one of the rare cases in which I have doubts or am at least cautious to agree with you yet.

In an effort to still go through some chapter 1 scenes before you caught up to me and inevitably leave me in the dust, I got to the first event Kirin is fully introduced and here is where my prior argument regarding confirmation bias comes in.

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Looking at the conversation, I could also easily infer that Kirin must have some prior knowledge about resets and how things turned out in the past and that she knows Akira and that he is not acting as she was expecting him to, just like she would have had experienced his "typical" self in prior cycles.
It's just that I don't interpret it this way. I just think that Kirin is very confident and straightforward and likes to provoke.

Similarly, I would say that Ami's behavior could be explained outside of "well, she must clearly know about resets". I agree that there are instances where it might get hinted at, but just like fdsasdf_p I'm refusing to buy it yet. It could very well be coincidences or deliberate red herrings and shenanigans by Selebus.

You certainly could present the point that Kirin acts this way because of reset knowledge, it just seems unlikely.

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For example, the same Ami you're painting should also fit into these handpicked, non-suspicious, comical moments, as well as the rest of her early moments that I didn’t cherry pick this time.

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Edit2:

I really wonder what are you guys thoughts on Ami event "everlasting love" replay function doesn't show the end part of the event (fuck you selebus) and i have no idea what that ending means.

Use amiclingy1 to jump to it through URM.

 

[Budoop]

I thought Futaba was first. Wasn't that an issue she had when the book came out finding out she was the first to give in to Sensei?

Her complaint is because of "how fast I gave in" and "how that makes me look". She hates it because it makes her look desperate, not because she was the first as she usually isn't.

That's a valid explanation, but I personally disagree (at the moment). I haven't even reached the first reset, and the amount of stuff Ami knows is baffling. It is clearly on another level from the compulsion the other girls face. Ami seems to instrumentalize her knowledge, which then has to be knowledge, rather than just a compulsion.

While I always like your stances on anything LiL related, I feel like this is one of the rare cases in which I have doubts or am at least cautious to agree with you yet.

Gonna reply to both of these in one with something that backs up Moonflare's point.
Maya quite early on talks about how when she attempts to speak to Ami about the resets she simply "gets angry" and "demands they talk about something else".

This isn't how it works for anyone else who isn't in the know to some extent, they instead repeat the last line of dialogue or a diversion line.

Not to mention that, again, Ami / Sekai can be seen cropped in one of the rooftop apocalypse scenes hiding behind a wall. Stature wise it looks like Ami wearing her mother's dress. (Im unsure if you see this during bad uncle playthroughs).

If you could go back in time and stop yourself from ever playing LiL and magically guarantee that you would never learn of its existence, would you?

Personally, no. I genuinely like this game, the story, and most of all the characters; I want to see how it ends, where it goes, and what happens to all the girls.

I've "quit" a few times due to being unable to handle the more horrific scenes, originally during the cruxifictions of Maya, then again after the Molly incident.
I can stomach it now, wish I didn't have to but it is integral to the plot a lot of the time, where-as usually the stories that have such events are not.

 

[shmurfer]

I think a middle ground could be that there's a second Ami that knows stuff, and then there's the overall Ami that acts on compulsion. I can see myself leaning towards that. There's also another matter, which is that Ami knows stuff regardless. For instance, she knows about Maya and Akira. I don't think that's really up for discussion. Ayane knows that Maya likes Akira from the start, I'm pretty sure Ami knows they fuck even (regardless of reset knowledge).

I think this is more likely purely from a logistical standpoint. Our Ami is knowing, but not all knowing. She knows something about the world, maybe is trying to fuck Akira in this cycle, but doesn't know enough about it to take it for herself like Prime Ami does in 0.45.

If our Ami knows enough to pull Nu Maya through several time jumps, why is she letting Maya whisper to Akira at all during this cycle? She shows in Chapter 4 that she knows Nu Maya is fucking Sensei while simply talking to Ayane. If it was the Ami Prime she should be able to rip her out right then and there, or just murder her.

Our Ami starts off the game too passive to be the all seeing being, but she knows too much to just be a innocent passenger. Maya has an agenda when she talks to Akira, Ami is just muttering about her competition.