Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

I'm replaying and I just grind things myself as I simply don't mind it (two specific Himawari events aside). But URM is extremely useful for replaying, as it lets you see variations. For a first playthrough, it will come to be VERY useful in chapter 4, as the puzzles become even more idiotic and URM lets you solve them with minimum effort. But other than that it isn't that necessary.

The guide mod is though, and you should be checking your "Hints" menu after every event to choose where to go next.

Spoiler: hints

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[shmurfer]

IIRC, the original version of that scene had Rin on her bed when you walked in, and it was one of the scenes changed during the rework of Chapter 1's first half.

This sounds right, not in the deleted scenes though so it threw me for a loop

Spoiler: rins old boobs and legs

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[barglenarglezous]

This sounds right, not in the deleted scenes though so it threw me for a loop

Spoiler: rins old boobs and legs

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Yeah, the only stuff that made it into Deleted Content is stuff where the actual events change, rather than the art.

 

[Yarazin]

Oh shit, one more thing! Do beloved characters suddenly die unexpectedly???

Well...

 

[Moonflare]

I'll just start with this Molly stuff since I'm not making a post just for it:

Spoiler: NTR and pregnancy

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Okay, now to the actual post. The first Karin date was incredibly cute!

Spoiler: If only

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So, I always thought that Karin was boring, but I have to say, I don't know if it's just paying more attention or the fact that I know that they were pretty much the one couple (Ami aside) in an entire cycle, but I see this as very wholesome.

Also, if you think about it, Karin was extremely forward in a sensible manner. She asked Akira out on a date, despite her issues, and not in an insane way like her sister either. It's very believable. Good for her. I guess we can attribute a significant part of that to the Nodoka compulsion effect though.

 

[shmurfer]

I... don't think I can do my normal reaction post to this. Is anyone actually interested in reading what could be a 100k characters unprofessional raw reaction spoiler to everything that happens? Because judging by the fact I've reached 60k before and this is supposedly longer and apparently very story rich and reaction worthy, this could reach 100k easily, unless that part about it being much longer than any other visual novels or avns was an overstatement. Like I find myself wanting to comment about lots of what Ami says and well... Reactions keep me going but is also a huge waste of time. Ehh...

Youre in good company here. Put them in nested spoilers and you should be fine screenspace wise. Post your reactions to the story as it happens and people will love you here. Here's a redacted zoomed out reaction someone else posted about the latest update

Yeah, the only stuff that made it into Deleted Content is stuff where the actual events change, rather than the art.

Maybe in general, but there's some lost dialogue here too. There's no caughtchanging scene this would have been called from, nor is there a afterchange scene. Something about this dialogue Sel specifically wanted to retcon

Spoiler: caughtchangingx

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[FireCazador]

Something interesting i saw replaying the game that now could make sense:

Spoiler: Pics

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Spoiler: Bonus

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Edit: I didnt translate those first but it isnt strange that Sel put this?

Spoiler: Hima?

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[Moonflare]

Something interesting i saw replaying the game that now could make sense:

Spoiler: Pics

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Spoiler: Bonus

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yes, it's from this event that we made the connection that Maya ran away from home after being molested by a family friend and was taken in by Akira. The bench/drink he offered her is likely where she takes him after their first box run, which she says that "it's the only place in town that has that particular drink". But, mostly, we think it's likely that their first meeting was there because it would make sense that she'd take him there to test his memories (as it would be one of the strongest places to take him).

The last part of that narration though was often taken to mean what would happen if Akira hadn't taken her home (to the tutoring place). Nice catch regardless. All of this might be a lie though, since we know that Maya shouldn't exist, and likely hadn't at first. So this could all be more a "Maya legend", that they believe happened, rather than something that actually did.

 

[Dc345]

Spoiler: 7 days to live

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[fdsasdf_p]

Spoiler: 7 days to live

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Hell nah grab me instead! Preferably by the [redacted]!

 

[barglenarglezous]

Hell nah grab me instead! Preferably by the [redacted]!

The big titty goth deathtrap will get me %100 of the time

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I know FireCazador edited his message right after Moonflare's message. But it is funny to see that Moonflare is ignoring Himawari's name being not Ami

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[Moonflare]

I know FireCazador edited his message right after Moonflare's message. But it is funny to see that Moonflare is ignoring Himawari's name being not Ami

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thanks for bringing this up to my attention and also how dare he!?

Also, no, Himawari and her real name are very likely to be different things. Himawari is how she's called, which is literally "sunflower", which she is (Akira's sunflower). Which Ami also is his sunflower btw, it is revealed that what he keeps in his pocket is a picture of Ami in a field of sunflowers. A sunflower, to Akira, is his "happy place" sort of.

While not impossible that her real name is sunflower, it is also unlikely due to the very nature of her name. Himawari's name is supposed to be a dangerous secret to her own existence, that is the point of "untitled". The name Himawari however is not a secret, you can see it plastered in multiple places like "HimawariCo". She'd be suicidal in showing her name to Akira so many times when that could erase her.

Edit: The event he does reference however is an early foreshadowing of what Kaori is.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

This one says "Himawari" so the theory of her being named Ami falls i think
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Since I like Moonflare so much I'm gonna intervene and say that this particular theory does not fall just because of that.

Selebus is the type of guy to say "oh but Himawari contains Ami backwards hIMAwari IMA = AMI hahaha im so smart"

 

[elricsecret]

someone Please tell me we will be able to get revenge on Tsuneyo for what she did in the second dorm fight

 

[Reiyayru]

Downloaded the game after reading about it in another thread (God it's been a while) talking about this game as the unnamed game that another game was inspired by. Remember seeing it pop up years ago but the reviews at the time made me lose interest and oh boy am I glad they did. Started playing when 0.43 came out and finished the game near the end of November, and now finally caught up on this thread. This game is something else and after reading the posts of some made me realize how much I missed or didn't notice which lead me to reading posts from each new update after I finished each part from 0.3ish. I know if I started playing this game when I first saw it I would definitely been chopping at the teeth waiting for the next update (Also may of been swept up in the drama that happened).

I have very few complaints about this game and it made me realize how much I can now tolerate when it comes to these types of topics that pop up in the fiction I'm consuming. Somethings did make me have to stop and take a breather but I was never turned off the game and thankfully while I did feel and actually adore some of the characters when bad stuff happened to them I was able to only feel for them for a bit before moving on and seeing what comes next (Stomachache has been the only missed event I have, decided to try and see how it would go if I succeeded it but just seeing Io's expression from the get go made me nope back to a previous save and fail the event. The aftermath made me happy that I did and I am hoping Sel doesn't take that decision and make it a negative in the future)

While I know this game is a game with porn and not a porn game I am a bit annoyed we got way more off screen sex scenes in the later parts of the game then I thought we would, while I didn't mind with characters we have loads of content with the Maya stuff being skipped and Sana one when Imari was at the bar and she took him into the kitchen after Akira cut himself and we were told what happened felt off. I dunno could be me who plays these games and hates both having too much and not enough (Example would me My New Family, started the game and loved it but 2/3 the way through when most of the plot was done and was just non-stop turned me off and made me stop even though the game is complete)

Overall enjoyed the game, really enjoying the commentary in this thread, love the fanart thread, looking forward to the new updates (though may wait for a few to come out first before jumping back in, give me loads of content to play unless I read something in this thread that changes my mind.) and now to play other porn games and hope I don't lose interest or not enjoy them cause the level of storytelling in this one ruined it for me lol.

Edit: Forgot to add, adore Rin, Yumi, Miku, Sana, Ayane, Molly (Which made that flashback for Tsuneyo a bit hard to watch), Uta, Io, Yasu, Touka, Noriko, and the wizards and can't wait too see more content (Lewd and non-lewd) with them. The others I like but don't mind waiting for more content. (Though after 0.45 def wanna know more about Ami and all of that, ya know)

 

[Yarazin]

While I know this game is a game with porn and not a porn game I am a bit annoyed we got way more off screen sex scenes in the later parts of the game then I thought we would, while I didn't mind with characters we have loads of content with the Maya stuff being skipped and Sana one when Imari was at the bar and she took him into the kitchen after Akira cut himself and we were told what happened felt off. I dunno could be me who plays these games and hates both having too much and not enough (Example would me My New Family, started the game and loved it but 2/3 the way through when most of the plot was done and was just non-stop turned me off and made me stop even though the game is complete)

Welcome!
I also am discouraged by the later missing and available scenes. Didn't care much for Nadokathon and am peeved that Sel chooses not to give us a Akira/Maya memory but will for sure give us that crappy and controversial reset memory.

 

[shmurfer]

The aftermath made me happy that I did and I am hoping Sel doesn't take that decision and make it a negative in the future)

It almost certainly will. The non iosex dialogue during 0.44 is so out of character for the rest of the story, it's almost the continuation of huggy boy complete with references to baseball.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

It almost certainly will. The non iosex dialogue during 0.44 is so out of character for the rest of the story, it's almost the continuation of huggy boy complete with references to baseball.

Damn, imagine a timeline where Akira is a baseball enthusiast (like a football enthusiast in another timeline). It would make Io the winner. But there is a question: will Io agree to have sex with Akira or not?

 

[Yggdrasil_Frahma]

I unfortunately read Subahibi in Japanese so I can't copy its phrasing mimetically like a pile of mysterious goo regurgitating something it ate years ago. But it went something like - keep running to the horizon! Because over those heights, out of sight, beyond the end that is the sky, lays the hill of sunflowers! And what is a sunflower but a parasite that follows the sun to grow and then remains frozen in place? It's important that the parasite stays in place once it's grown, facing where the sun was. And it's REALLY, REALLY important that the brain is wider than the sky. Because it's only through the cognition of an individual that limits form, or as some say, that gods form, or as some say, the sky becomes a wall rather than the infinite expanse of space. Our heads are as heavy as a god's. Himawari's name has all the significance in the world. The sunflowers watch as the moon shines upon our ascent up the hill towards happiness, sunawachi the Love-Filled Everyday. Ami's name feels more like a spiderweb to me, which kinds of catches on you and gets you sticky and stuck... but I would never be too hasty.

And it's also REALLY REALLY important that Lessons in Love is a critique of religion. Discourse regarding gods-this-and-gods-that should never forget the dripping mockery and scorn for all things religious within the game. Worshipping a god is a LIMITATION. Worshipping a god is a TRAP. It keeps you LOCKED in PLACE facing a certain direction. It keeps you STARING AT THE SUN until YOUR EYES BURN OUT and swirl infinitely in the misery of blindness. Not good! How will you climb the hill of sunflowers like that? How will you learn how to love??? Can you love a god? What happens if the god loves back? What happens if a god DEMANDS you live happily? Now that's a good question.

Anyway, in other words, the subjects above reminded me how much meaning can be derived by putting Subahibi and Lessons in Love up next to each other on diffchecker dot com. But I have to disguise it in ramblings to not just spoil Subahibi. If anyone hasn't read Subahibi despite the image of Subahibi on Sana's PC I will take this moment to recommend it. Not because I like it. I'm sorry, but I did not like it very much. If you guys think happy events are a drag, hooh boy, how about a game all about the doldrum boredom of eternal recurrence! But the symbolism makes it very meaningful in a Lessons in Love context. The only question for me is why he used Ayana as inspiration for Maya when Ayana was... oops! We can discuss that at a later time gentlemen.

Altho it looks like Subahibi was NOT a hit on F95... Very few posts. Maybe Scat-痔 (<---- this is FUCKING HILARIOUS for Japanese experts) should have released it in installments on patreon. But I see my good friend Skwada wrote a review for it. Good lad!