Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[bobloblawwwwwww]

So, how do you use URM to guide you through the game? This is the first time I've played a brand new update and I'm not sure what to do to get things rolling.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Check out the first page of the thread. You’re looking for the Guide Mod, I believe. However, it’s only updated 2 weeks after release, so it won’t work for this release. But it works for helping with event requirements and triggers.

For this update, things begin automatically on a particular day of the week. Friday, I believe. For triggers, you can search for Moonflare’s posts, as he posts event triggers really quickly after updates come out.

 

[shmurfer]

So, how do you use URM to guide you through the game? This is the first time I've played a brand new update and I'm not sure what to do to get things rolling.

Guide mod gives hints about what to do. it's only updated when public versions of LiL are released.

URM's biggest feature for LiL is letting you know when there's branches in the story logic. One of the biggest ones talked about this update is whether you've seen failsafe (which we're assuming means you chose to groom Tsukasa. The logic is wrong currently, might be fixed next update). There's several points in the dialogue where the top left says something like "choices available", you can click them and find out through the logic provided what dialogue you are about to get, and sometimes you can pick something you haven't earned just to see the dialogue (Though I'd roll back to before the choice when you're done reading it. Committing to dialogue you didn't earn will break things irreparably)

It also lets you find variables and event names, and allows you to change variables or jump (or view in a replay) events that the game says you aren't allowed to see yet. You can also watch certain variables to have them appear in a tab to watch them change in real time, though this is rarely useful in LiL.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I got the impression Maya is the victim of Noriko's stalking.

I don't think most of us got the same idea, but you do you.

Maya: "I'm cold and blunt. A kuudere with slowly dissipating "cool" and "dere" buried somewhere so far underground that you'll likely never find it."
I'm struggling to figure out which form of "cool" she means. Cool like in you are in awe of how cool they are, sort of like what the girls see in the mc, or if she means cool as in containing those emotions. If in the former case then she appears emotionless but people see her more as a freak than someone worth admiring and she lacks the caring part so she's basically just an outcast in every sense. In the latter case she's slowly losing the "kuu" in kuudere but she still doesn't care in this case. Given some of her outbursts with the scarf and the appearance of Noriko with the numerous instances of anger, disgust, few instances of blushing and so on, I'm starting to think it's actually the latter in this case. But I feel like she already is the former.

Term Kuudere is about containing these emotions inside or not knowing how to show these emotions at all.
But Maya is clearly a narcissist, so she can imply both meanings.

WTF DOES THAT MEAN?
Maya: "If I could tell you more, I would."
Sensei: "Really?"
Maya: "Really."
Sensei: "Even though I'm the most disgusting person in the world?"
Maya: "Right."
Proceeds to have one if not the most out of place facial reaction I've ever seen. A regular wide smile, blush, regular wide eyes with that tear stuck in both eyes.
The event is called "Stop looking for answers". It looked like she was laughing, in distress, embarrassed, on the verge of crying, psychopathic-ish, all at the same time and I can't figure out which it is. I expected her usual stoic expression but I got a deranged one instead. I don't know about you but that's just not normal. It seems like there's deeper meaning but the text doesn't imply there is, or at least it doesn't feel like it.

What do you mean most out of place?! Selebus using this Maya face as merch.
Anyway, she was laughing, in distress, embarrassed, on the verge of crying, psychopathic-ish, all at the same time, I believe.

"Would have to be a real screw up. Equally as douchey. Zero work ethic. A whole bunch of shit"
Bruh, out of nowhere marriage proposal.

Ehem, that's a wife material for you.

Tsukasa, Tsubasa... Bruh. Well at least Touka was given a more unique name. So a family of three this time around.
The problem with having characters with similar names is that it's easy missunderstand who talks. When their name colors are the same it's even harder. Bad design decision.

We have a method how to remember them!
Touka is Tsukini Tsuyuri Tenma Touka.
Kid is for TsuKasa.
Boobs is for TsuBasa.

Some distant future where Yumi calls him daddy... I don't know how I feel about that. I feel like she somehow would reject it on account of it being too embarrassing or something else.

Then I'll take that rejected future of yours.

Nodoka is entertaining as hell.

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The tier-list looks less complicated now, yet somehow I liked the previous systems of yours more, xd

 

[hopeisdead6969]

Nodoka is entertaining as hell.

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[Bingoogus]

The purity routs feel so far away that I cant even think about them yet. Instead I'm here hoping that 500 Yumi headpats lives up to my hype. I have no idea how Selebus will manage to write it, so I can only hope the cute and hilarious tsundere headpat levels reach critical mass.

I imagine it going something like "are you for real?" into "this is just sad..." into "..." into *starts crying as years of trauma from receiving zero affection of any kind leaks out* into *some kind of bliss trance like S&M subspace* and finally into *mind shattering orgasm* then she just leaves... and it's never spoken of again...

 

[SlidingSubject]

I imagine it going something like "are you for real?" into "this is just sad..." into "..." into *starts crying as years of trauma from receiving zero affection of any kind leaks out* into *some kind of bliss trance like S&M subspace* and finally into *mind shattering orgasm* then she just leaves... and it's never spoken of again...

I can totally see only being able to give 500 headpats to Yumi once, and then having the option disabled until later.
And then you find out that giving Yumi headpats too early costs you some events.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I beieve its already been mentioned, but this foreshadowing has me intrigued and also horrified:

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[w.iT]

So, how do you use URM to guide you through the game? This is the first time I've played a brand new update and I'm not sure what to do to get things rolling.

You can explore autoMod if exploring the sandbox is a hassle...(it is a hassle once puzzle stuff come up).

 

[Apollo259]

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[Reiyayru]

How did Karin end up in F tier if she didn't appear in 0.46 at all...

It is cause she didn't appear in the latest update that made her fall in my list. I really should change the labels to better clarify what each row means better but will do it when I don't have to work and am not in the process of polishing off the remaining alcohol I had left over from New Years. Karin has fallen simply cause my interest in her and her story has dropped since she didn't appear and other then that small mention with Kirin there wasn't anything to really attach to her. Only reason she was D in my last list was cause of the alt Karin who watches Football with that Alt Sensei, also with other characters stories going she took a far back seat in my mind. My F tier is essentially I like them but my enjoyment of them is atm low and have no interest in them as a character, no doubt when we get more events and interactions with her and depending on where Sel takes her story she'll either move up in the list or stay where she is, she's cute and her personality is funny and light but compared to others she falls a bit short. Same way I've felt about Rika, she's a neat character but her place in the story is little interest beyond Rin's mom and comic relief. Hm, I should of put Karin ahead of Rika though, consequence of getting tipsy as I did the list lol.

 

[shmurfer]

I have have overstepped if you're reading this void, stop?

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[edit] And I think I've run out of steam, by the time I get in the mood to edit this it'll be out of date. I'll leave it here.

 

[Reiyayru]

Some wounds fester and worsen over time. The lingering pain of her rejecting the cock still brings fresh agony each new day as if he awakes to his heart being gouged anew.

This is the first time I've read one of your post from start to finish, and not really just a combo of how interested I am in her character at the moment of making the list and how much I like her. So far no character has made me dislike them enough to hate them or have complete zero interest in where they are going yet.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I beieve its already been mentioned, but this foreshadowing has me intrigued and also horrified:

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Wizards will witness the threesome with their tutor and their older sisters.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

You are probably right about all of this. Current Update feels like intentional breaks on the story have been let off and we're about to floor it but there's still a bunch of plot points we know about that need to be hit, some that were pointed at that we kind of know about, but expect the game to fully explain / show before it can be over (including one you've pointed out here, a certain flashback to a younger Maya)

You might want to consider holding off on the latest update considering the way the last two updates have gone so far. The sandbox is kind of broken and it doesn't seem to be intentional like some of the other big brain moments from the game hasve been. Think having your sandbox go back to chapter 1 because you had a event with someone over the phone instead of a location in the evening. We also can't settle on some of the latest lore until we know if certain choices were a mistake, or a bold storytelling choice.



Acknowledged, Touka has been renamed to Toukasa




Why aren't the "Hey There" eyes available as a Smiley, I was gonna use it as shorthand for "These are good points you should remember in a chapter or two"



I believe at this point Noriko has told you about being tutored, and Maya has confirmed it when you helped her take boxes to the school in Chapter 2 (If you haven't seen it, blame autovn. It's supposed to be Maya's first event this chapter, you've talked about 3 events after it). Ami may have mentioned you being a Tutor but she didn't know who you tutored.




Maya has spent the last 6-7 months that you've seen wanting to keep you out of her life cause you disgust her, and presumably much longer than that in the student's minds. All of a sudden someone who the class has never met before comes in and has a long lost soulmate reaction to Sensei and she angrily shouts at her to stay away, and then tries to protect Sensei a little bit. It's not a smoking gun that Maya loves Sensei or anything but it's pretty sus.



It's more that previous versions of Sensei actually taught, so they came to class to learn. It's just based on Maya's testimony he'd also fuck some of them. Your specific incarnation of Sensei has decided he's too lazy to teach and doesn't, so the students have been rewritten so it's cool outside of the very few nerds in the class, but they provide great banter so it's fine.

One of your later Yumi points is relevant here. Apparently the last Sensei was giving her fake detentions so he'd have more of an excuse to have 1 on 1 time with Yumi, but was deleted before he got 'the goods'.





I've cut the quote before it gets into things Maya would never do at this point. She deflects a lot but you've seen enough events now to know underneath it all she really likes you to some degree. If you were able to do the dorm event before the two lantern shrine event you even give her some shit about "Just like that time you almost raped me" where she loses her composure, though the same basic idea comes out in the blue shrine event which can't be seen before the dorm event.



She's definitely A victim. Time will tell about everything else.



Her problem isn't with this timeline, or she would have forcibly reset Sensei months ago. She's been measuring every Sensei that's appeared for a long time. Most have been missing something so she's either let them finish their season and most likely get reset. Occasionally she'd help some of them into the next reset if they have the right sauce (which involves making it to the roof) She's even mentioned that only a few have made it to winter before, which insinuates most don't. This might mean she's been searching for something, and may have found it in 'you'. Unlike the other Senseis that have appeared who she has straight up told them that they've woken up in this man's body, she's finally telling you that 'you' have woken up in 'your' body...probably. And she says probably because if she commits to the idea that it really is 'you' after all this time, and then you're reset it's going to emotionally destroy her.



You might have just missed some context so I'll try to summarise it. A girl who's gotten used to a purgatory of being stuck in a time loop has been searching for someone specific. You've managed to have her lose her composure several times doing things the others before you haven't managed to do. She's explained that if you remember too much of your past, you risk being deleted. A girl who's gotten used to a general pattern of events happening each season has been immediately thrown off balance by a major change in the world that's never happened before, and doubled the amount of girls in the class. One of them is someone she's identified as a threat for ages immemorial at this point. This girl has fed you several bits of information from your past that Maya's had a chance to confirm were true. A few nights ago you two had a moment where she was about to confess a suspicion that she had and you zone out in a way that makes her panic. Then this night you show up apparently after walking in active snowfall for 2 hours in a trance. She finishes her thought from the other night and lets you know she thinks that 'you' have returned to your body after so many resets and then tells you at this point if you get deleted it's going to hurt her like she's being fed through a meat grinder.

At this point she can't afford to lose you, but you're desperate to learn the memories you've forgotten. She's panicing that you're going to ram into a brick wall trying to do the one thing she wants you to not do. She has all the answers but refuses to give them to you for fear of losing you, something which she got empirical evidence could happen a couple of nights ago. She lets you know she'd tell you more if she thought it wouldn't kill you and you touch her heart owning an insult she's been giving you for months.

You said she "looked like she was laughing, in distress, embarrassed, on the verge of crying, psychopathic-ish, all at the same time" and only made the mistake of thinking it only be one of these at a time. She probably went to her locker and had a private cry.



Congratulations on having a refined palate. Some people have Maya around D tier and would probably join the others on clowning you about finding Nodoka entertaining. Meanwhile in the latest update they probably found a certain scene in the latest update the hottest thing ever while I was sitting there basically being Maya about it.

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda spoilering too much for VoidExile.

 

[Bingoogus]

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda definitely spoilering too much for VoidExile.

These posts are also getting irritatingly long, how about some general courtesy and put them in a standard spoiler so your post doesn't take 5 rolls of the mouse wheel to skip over...

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

Agreed with Bingoogus. It's exceedingly discourteous to make long posts on forums and force innocent readers to flick their middle finger a few times to skip all of it. This is basic forum culture stuff.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

What kind of monster uses their middle finger for the scroll wheel?! Surely its a index finger maneuver!

 

[Budoop]

I just hold MMB and move the mouse down.

 

[shmurfer]

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda spoilering too much for VoidExile.

Can you give me a heads up about what parts?

These posts are also getting irritatingly long, how about some general courtesy and put them in a standard spoiler so your post doesn't take 5 rolls of the mouse wheel to skip over...

and this is the first I've heard about it, I will try to squeeze it away