Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[hopeisdead6969]

Nodoka is entertaining as hell.

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[Bingoogus]

The purity routs feel so far away that I cant even think about them yet. Instead I'm here hoping that 500 Yumi headpats lives up to my hype. I have no idea how Selebus will manage to write it, so I can only hope the cute and hilarious tsundere headpat levels reach critical mass.

I imagine it going something like "are you for real?" into "this is just sad..." into "..." into *starts crying as years of trauma from receiving zero affection of any kind leaks out* into *some kind of bliss trance like S&M subspace* and finally into *mind shattering orgasm* then she just leaves... and it's never spoken of again...

 

[SlidingSubject]

I imagine it going something like "are you for real?" into "this is just sad..." into "..." into *starts crying as years of trauma from receiving zero affection of any kind leaks out* into *some kind of bliss trance like S&M subspace* and finally into *mind shattering orgasm* then she just leaves... and it's never spoken of again...

I can totally see only being able to give 500 headpats to Yumi once, and then having the option disabled until later.
And then you find out that giving Yumi headpats too early costs you some events.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

I beieve its already been mentioned, but this foreshadowing has me intrigued and also horrified:

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[w.iT]

So, how do you use URM to guide you through the game? This is the first time I've played a brand new update and I'm not sure what to do to get things rolling.

You can explore autoMod if exploring the sandbox is a hassle...(it is a hassle once puzzle stuff come up).

 

[Apollo259]

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[Reiyayru]

How did Karin end up in F tier if she didn't appear in 0.46 at all...

It is cause she didn't appear in the latest update that made her fall in my list. I really should change the labels to better clarify what each row means better but will do it when I don't have to work and am not in the process of polishing off the remaining alcohol I had left over from New Years. Karin has fallen simply cause my interest in her and her story has dropped since she didn't appear and other then that small mention with Kirin there wasn't anything to really attach to her. Only reason she was D in my last list was cause of the alt Karin who watches Football with that Alt Sensei, also with other characters stories going she took a far back seat in my mind. My F tier is essentially I like them but my enjoyment of them is atm low and have no interest in them as a character, no doubt when we get more events and interactions with her and depending on where Sel takes her story she'll either move up in the list or stay where she is, she's cute and her personality is funny and light but compared to others she falls a bit short. Same way I've felt about Rika, she's a neat character but her place in the story is little interest beyond Rin's mom and comic relief. Hm, I should of put Karin ahead of Rika though, consequence of getting tipsy as I did the list lol.

 

[shmurfer]

I have have overstepped if you're reading this void, stop?

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[edit] And I think I've run out of steam, by the time I get in the mood to edit this it'll be out of date. I'll leave it here.

 

[Reiyayru]

Some wounds fester and worsen over time. The lingering pain of her rejecting the cock still brings fresh agony each new day as if he awakes to his heart being gouged anew.

This is the first time I've read one of your post from start to finish, and not really just a combo of how interested I am in her character at the moment of making the list and how much I like her. So far no character has made me dislike them enough to hate them or have complete zero interest in where they are going yet.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I beieve its already been mentioned, but this foreshadowing has me intrigued and also horrified:

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Wizards will witness the threesome with their tutor and their older sisters.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

You are probably right about all of this. Current Update feels like intentional breaks on the story have been let off and we're about to floor it but there's still a bunch of plot points we know about that need to be hit, some that were pointed at that we kind of know about, but expect the game to fully explain / show before it can be over (including one you've pointed out here, a certain flashback to a younger Maya)

You might want to consider holding off on the latest update considering the way the last two updates have gone so far. The sandbox is kind of broken and it doesn't seem to be intentional like some of the other big brain moments from the game hasve been. Think having your sandbox go back to chapter 1 because you had a event with someone over the phone instead of a location in the evening. We also can't settle on some of the latest lore until we know if certain choices were a mistake, or a bold storytelling choice.



Acknowledged, Touka has been renamed to Toukasa




Why aren't the "Hey There" eyes available as a Smiley, I was gonna use it as shorthand for "These are good points you should remember in a chapter or two"



I believe at this point Noriko has told you about being tutored, and Maya has confirmed it when you helped her take boxes to the school in Chapter 2 (If you haven't seen it, blame autovn. It's supposed to be Maya's first event this chapter, you've talked about 3 events after it). Ami may have mentioned you being a Tutor but she didn't know who you tutored.




Maya has spent the last 6-7 months that you've seen wanting to keep you out of her life cause you disgust her, and presumably much longer than that in the student's minds. All of a sudden someone who the class has never met before comes in and has a long lost soulmate reaction to Sensei and she angrily shouts at her to stay away, and then tries to protect Sensei a little bit. It's not a smoking gun that Maya loves Sensei or anything but it's pretty sus.



It's more that previous versions of Sensei actually taught, so they came to class to learn. It's just based on Maya's testimony he'd also fuck some of them. Your specific incarnation of Sensei has decided he's too lazy to teach and doesn't, so the students have been rewritten so it's cool outside of the very few nerds in the class, but they provide great banter so it's fine.

One of your later Yumi points is relevant here. Apparently the last Sensei was giving her fake detentions so he'd have more of an excuse to have 1 on 1 time with Yumi, but was deleted before he got 'the goods'.





I've cut the quote before it gets into things Maya would never do at this point. She deflects a lot but you've seen enough events now to know underneath it all she really likes you to some degree. If you were able to do the dorm event before the two lantern shrine event you even give her some shit about "Just like that time you almost raped me" where she loses her composure, though the same basic idea comes out in the blue shrine event which can't be seen before the dorm event.



She's definitely A victim. Time will tell about everything else.



Her problem isn't with this timeline, or she would have forcibly reset Sensei months ago. She's been measuring every Sensei that's appeared for a long time. Most have been missing something so she's either let them finish their season and most likely get reset. Occasionally she'd help some of them into the next reset if they have the right sauce (which involves making it to the roof) She's even mentioned that only a few have made it to winter before, which insinuates most don't. This might mean she's been searching for something, and may have found it in 'you'. Unlike the other Senseis that have appeared who she has straight up told them that they've woken up in this man's body, she's finally telling you that 'you' have woken up in 'your' body...probably. And she says probably because if she commits to the idea that it really is 'you' after all this time, and then you're reset it's going to emotionally destroy her.



You might have just missed some context so I'll try to summarise it. A girl who's gotten used to a purgatory of being stuck in a time loop has been searching for someone specific. You've managed to have her lose her composure several times doing things the others before you haven't managed to do. She's explained that if you remember too much of your past, you risk being deleted. A girl who's gotten used to a general pattern of events happening each season has been immediately thrown off balance by a major change in the world that's never happened before, and doubled the amount of girls in the class. One of them is someone she's identified as a threat for ages immemorial at this point. This girl has fed you several bits of information from your past that Maya's had a chance to confirm were true. A few nights ago you two had a moment where she was about to confess a suspicion that she had and you zone out in a way that makes her panic. Then this night you show up apparently after walking in active snowfall for 2 hours in a trance. She finishes her thought from the other night and lets you know she thinks that 'you' have returned to your body after so many resets and then tells you at this point if you get deleted it's going to hurt her like she's being fed through a meat grinder.

At this point she can't afford to lose you, but you're desperate to learn the memories you've forgotten. She's panicing that you're going to ram into a brick wall trying to do the one thing she wants you to not do. She has all the answers but refuses to give them to you for fear of losing you, something which she got empirical evidence could happen a couple of nights ago. She lets you know she'd tell you more if she thought it wouldn't kill you and you touch her heart owning an insult she's been giving you for months.

You said she "looked like she was laughing, in distress, embarrassed, on the verge of crying, psychopathic-ish, all at the same time" and only made the mistake of thinking it only be one of these at a time. She probably went to her locker and had a private cry.



Congratulations on having a refined palate. Some people have Maya around D tier and would probably join the others on clowning you about finding Nodoka entertaining. Meanwhile in the latest update they probably found a certain scene in the latest update the hottest thing ever while I was sitting there basically being Maya about it.

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda spoilering too much for VoidExile.

 

[Bingoogus]

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda definitely spoilering too much for VoidExile.

These posts are also getting irritatingly long, how about some general courtesy and put them in a standard spoiler so your post doesn't take 5 rolls of the mouse wheel to skip over...

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

Agreed with Bingoogus. It's exceedingly discourteous to make long posts on forums and force innocent readers to flick their middle finger a few times to skip all of it. This is basic forum culture stuff.

 

[hopeisdead6969]

What kind of monster uses their middle finger for the scroll wheel?! Surely its a index finger maneuver!

 

[Budoop]

I just hold MMB and move the mouse down.

 

[shmurfer]

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda spoilering too much for VoidExile.

Can you give me a heads up about what parts?

These posts are also getting irritatingly long, how about some general courtesy and put them in a standard spoiler so your post doesn't take 5 rolls of the mouse wheel to skip over...

and this is the first I've heard about it, I will try to squeeze it away

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

What kind of monster uses their middle finger for the scroll wheel?! Surely its a index finger maneuver!

I was about to make a kind of a masterful troll post to the tune of like

"Yeah, I'm kinda fucked up. I hear phantom sounds and talk to inanimate objects in my room. I beat someone up in daycare, too. Using my middle finger on the mousewheel is nothing to me."

Then it struck me that Selebus based Yumi beating someone up in daycare on a real event from his life. Nothing new there; that was an intuition I had a while ago, as well as the obligatory connections. But what's new is the potential humor value. What better troll and grand finale would it be for Selebus to reveal that every single heroine is actually himself? Like, I say this on two levels. First is the meta revelation that every author goes through that all characters are fragments of themselves. A famous quip is that you can't write a character smarter than yourself (though you can give the impression you have (see: Nodoka)), and on top of that, the process of modeling characters in your mind often ends up in a kind of ghost chorus of said characters taking on tulpa-like lives of their own in your mind. Writers talk about how characters 'wont shut up' until a scene is written. Basic stuff - I've touched on it before and it's something we all subconsciously accept. But it just so happens that this aligns incredibly well with the SECOND level, which is the narrative of Lessons in Love being self-insert fiction. What do we know? We know that the world was made for someone, we know that perception is dubious, we know that it's a 'game,' we know the purpose is to be happy, we know Sensei is being seemingly controlled by unknown force(s), we know we players were given Options so that we can Communicate with the Narrator and interface with the game, we know there are explicit/obvious hints of Sensei/others being American rather than Japanese... all of this has led me to think for some time that Selebus (most likely Pareidolia (and therefore the whole trinity) for obvious reasons) has been acting as that external force on Sensei and pushing himself into Sensei as the Game Developer. It's no surprise that Sensei would often be suffering the ailments Selebus complains about 1:1 (and after Selebus already wrote an explicit self-insert with Yuu in NiB who goes through the same shit again). Again, basic stuff. The problem I have had is where the students of LiL fit into this: are they really Sensei's students? Did they fall into the well with him? Are they unerring evidence of an external reality? How many of them are Subahibi ghosts? And so on.

(Selebus's refusal to acknowledge Himawari is as profound as people imagine it to be; I imagine it means she is a force outside of the Game Developer / Writer's awareness. I don't really want to speculate on this too much, though, since it gets out of the meta of the game to speculate on an external existence Selebus would let work on the game. I only ever speak of Lessons in Love Selebus, never of any real life being. And it may be nonsense anyway.)

The comedy intuition, which I just had, and which to share enthusiastically, is the moment where all of this could theoretically coalesce into the most hilarious narrative twist of all time. Conceive of a being of pure white. Then conceive of Molly popping out of existence and the White being turning more green. Conceive of Yumi popping out of existence and the Greenish-white thing turning more aggressive. Imagine Ayane popping out of existence and the thing suddenly having more of a moral backbone or something. Imagine Karin popping out of existence and the thing's thighs get thicker. And then, when EVERY SINGLE heroine has popped out of existence... the being turns into Selebus. And Selebus looks at the screen like "Thank you for putting me back together." Or something.

Basically. The absolute funniest interpretation I can think of, and I apologize for taking so long to set up the scene here, is the twist that every single heroine is actually Selebus. (Except Maya, who is Selebus's cat or something.*). And then like, imagine the seething. All the people who have busted loads to Sana were actually busting loads to Selebus in disguise. Everyone who wore a like Yumi avatar while dunking on Selebus were unwittingly singing his praises. Man, imagine. This is completely schizo but it's so funny I have to convey it.

*The only reason I'm hesitant about the 'heroine(s) are actually cats' theory is that I don't think Selebus wants to fuck his cats even if they are in anime girl form. However, it is a common anime trope for cats to take human shape and, as they say, to flock to their master when they are miserable to cheer them up. Perhaps Sensei is thinking 'a cat is fine too' at this point but even for LiL that would be extremely bizarre. I'm kind of convincing myself as I type this though... Sensei is probably fucking a desk or that fleshlight instead of the cat anyway.

(P.S.: All too easily forgotten is that LiL starts with a suicide. It would naturally follow from that that someone would be tied into bed/chair in a hospital room listening to the ticking of a clock. The question for me is whether that person, Sensei, is a wholly independent being, or if that person is an abstraction of Selebus. Is that where Sensei is being forced to observe this, or is that where Selebus is writing this? Whatever LiL is, it must follow from suicide.)

 

[Bingoogus]

and this is the first I've heard about it, I will try to squeeze it away

Thanks man.

 

[VoidExile]

I don't think most of us got the same idea, but you do you.

Probably changed my stance on that at some point, yes.

But Maya is clearly a narcissist, so she can imply both meanings.

It's not THAT obvious to me but a few things she have done have probably come across that way to me and/or the mc.

What do you mean most out of place?! Selebus using this Maya face as merch.

I wouldn't know anything about merge. Pretty sure it was out of place. It's an extremely exaggerated emotion that couldn't be associated with just one thing I don't think. I may have to see whatever that merge is tho, I'm curious.

Kid is for TsuKasa.
Boobs is for TsuBasa.

That kinda makes sense now that you mention it.

The tier-list looks less complicated now, yet somehow I liked the previous systems of yours more, xd

I don't blame you, but I felt awkward about it and struggle to update anything so I guess that's just a thing you may have to deal with occasionally.

God damn it, Shmurfer. You're kinda spoilering too much for VoidExile.

Is all of that above which I'm not planning to read just yet a spoiler or did he just decide to not edit it and delete it instead for god knows what reason?


I'm getting the impressive from multiple people that there is something I'm blissfully unaware of regarding Nodoka... I don't know, might have something to do with the disgusted db character and the "whose gonna tell him". Welp, I will figure it out eventually...

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Can you give me a heads up about what parts?

I think it is the whole Maya talk of your message that is not about her facial expressions. Which is 3/4 of your message, xd.