Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.46.0] [Selebus]

[gazgiz]

twitter replying to republicans / Christians and making fun of them

Know a bunch of anti-religious anti-Christian people that believe in "Gods." I was loose with the word religion, should have thrown an "organized," or been more clear and said "I'm no longer convinced that the games position is that all the gods in the game are bad." I would bet money that Sel is a practitioner tho.

 

[gazgiz]

The game has mocked the idea of "completing scenes and gathering affection points" enough times that I think green path is a trap. It's also the easiest one to catch someone narratively in since if you did full green, that means you did EVERY event, including the fucked up ones. You could miss a whole bunch of events or just one and be "red" though and that's a much harder nuance to account for, especially if you want to say something targeted and have to account for the specific scenes they missed. This is only reinforced by

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That being said if we're gonna mark endings as "true" and not, I do thing green path would be most likely to lead to a "true" ending, I just don't think it'd be a very happy one. Reminds me of Paper Lily: Project Kat. There's plenty of alternate endings, even a happy one where she makes friends, but the "true" ending is that all of them die. Same with Mad Father or The Witch's House, plenty of "true" endings where awful things happen. Alternatively, red path could be a true ending in that Akira wasn't as horrible as he could've been (except this also doesn't work because you could've only missed good homie or something, but one exception is easy enough to check). It could go either way really.

See, I always took the dig at game mechanics as a dig on other games that force you to farm when everybody is generally just here to goon.

I think a lot of the gating and impossible puzzles that go into this game is the game repetedly making you ask yourself why are you going through so much effort to hurt characters you've grown emotionally attached to.

 

[gazgiz]

As someone who also faithfully observes the green path and will keep doing that no matter what, I still cannot in good faith absolutely believe that this isn’t just Selly jabbing players, especially when such mockery almost only happens to players who walk on wizard-free paths and not any other red path. It’s just him taunting players who choose the option HE created.

There are two biggest problems for me about the general green = canon business: first is that not all missable events have positive meaning or result in any form of agreeable character growth; second is that there has not been an actual and major consequence for these choices yet, not even the most alarming one that is amifingered (but obviously the latter one is subject to change).

Some examples here:

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tldr: I just treat all missable events as side quests, shapable futures, and consequences; something well below canon or truth path considerations. Only events that aren’t missable are canon, and events that are missable at best impact main quests in very minor ways. What are the main quests? Save the world, slay the gods, stop the cycle, and sex our Maya (happily); the rest is just whether I want to 100% this game or not and it’s completely preferential. I’ll change my mind if one day a future update gives me an unavoidable early game over all because I didn’t jerk off in front of Tsubasa.

See, I don't think of the green choices having to do with story but actions. Like, you're right that the Sensei that red paths "grows" narratively to be a good person, but I don't think that's the point of the green path.

My guess is that each of the purity routs will be Sensi helping that girl escape, and the true ending is what happens after he's finally left in this space all alone.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Know a bunch of anti-religious anti-Christian people that believe in "Gods." I was loose with the word religion, should have thrown an "organized," or been more clear and said "I'm no longer convinced that the games position is that all the gods in the game are bad." I would bet money that Sel is a practitioner tho.

Selebus is actually a disgusting libtard

 

[shmurfer]

The game has mocked the idea of "completing scenes and gathering affection points" enough times that I think green path is a trap. It's also the easiest one to catch someone narratively in since if you did full green, that means you did EVERY event, including the fucked up ones. You could miss a whole bunch of events or just one and be "red" though and that's a much harder nuance to account for, especially if you want to say something targeted and have to account for the specific scenes they missed. This is only reinforced by

I think the game mocks you for the point system because it's all you have to interact with it and those numbers can be wiped by whoever's in control at any moment. During lavender's green, you actually are given 6000000 molly affection. You have a certain dinner with Maya, +100 affection. You cheat, +1000000 or so Ami affection and everyone elses is wiped. You 'understand' Maya ain't coming back soon, full wipe on Maya affection.

God's a dickhead.

 

[aramaug]

With only a few days until the next update, I'm finally getting around to writing up my thoughts on lore/meta-plot stuff from 0.46 - I'm nothing if not timely!

There's a brief passage in "Now & Forever" where Sensei starts to think about his childhood trauma. Personally I can only make sense of his train of thought if Nozomu raped Akira, though maybe (hopefully?) someone else has a better explanation.

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[Bingoogus]

Spoiler: Nodoka-thon Alt Ending

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Fucking NUT...

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Another example of this game rotting your brain:

Wife played a kpop band's new song while I drove her to work, and asked my thought about it.

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I had to lie and gave her some generic comments after surviving a sudden and immense deja vu because, my true thought is "this song reminds me of Molly", and it's rather unbecoming to think of Molly when wife was talking to you

PS. Interestingly, I feel like LiL, a questionable NSFW game, actually does Master Sakamoto's masterpiece a whole lot more justice than whatever this Korean song is.

 

[Dc345]

Another example of this game rotting your brain:

Wife played a kpop band's new song while I drove her to work, and asked my thought about it.

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I had to lie and gave her some generic comments after surviving a sudden and immense deja vu because, my true thought is "this song reminds me of Molly", and it's rather unbecoming to think of Molly when wife was talking to you

PS. Interestingly, I feel like LiL, a questionable NSFW game, actually does Master Sakamoto's masterpiece a whole lot more justice than whatever this Korean song is.

That's about as bad as me almost having a heart attack after hearing Sharou's music playing in the background of one of my niece's roblox games. Lessons in Love really does melt the brain

 

[jclark1337]

Spoiler: CH4 reactions and thoughts 0.40-0.41 Part 1

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[jclark1337]

Spoiler: CH4 reactions and thoughts 0.40-0.41 Part 2

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[Reiyayru]

Another example of this game rotting your brain:

Wife played a kpop band's new song while I drove her to work, and asked my thought about it.

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I had to lie and gave her some generic comments after surviving a sudden and immense deja vu because, my true thought is "this song reminds me of Molly", and it's rather unbecoming to think of Molly when wife was talking to you

PS. Interestingly, I feel like LiL, a questionable NSFW game, actually does Master Sakamoto's masterpiece a whole lot more justice than whatever this Korean song is.

Listening to the song I'm reminded of Ayane and Prime Maya more then any of the other girls.

 

[shmurfer]

it's not clear if the Catholic Church even exists in this universe

I'm pretty sure it does. Between the happy image flashes of Jesus and the students understanding of god / gods when talking about Yasu's religion, Shinto gates existing in LiL so other religions exist too, people understanding what Churches are, and other more modern pop culture references like Despacito, Leonardo DiCaprio and Pedro Pascal. I think we can treat the world of LiL as if it's our world of today, just with Kumon-Mi inserted into it and all the weird shit that contains.

And then wtf just happened? Was the "reset" skipped? Something about we aren't ready to see what happened here? HUH
We just appear to the next day, and Sana is nowhere to be seen or heard with no one mentioning her at all...
This is ominous.

You should check your day count before and after the moon skip. It wasn't a reset, you don't get off that easily.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

I know I was asking similar question before, but...

What will you do if you get isekai into LiL as 21st student (not that secret furry student)? You get there with all the knowledge about the game you already have, but consider that Sensei only wants to fuck you and he always blackouts when you try to meta talk about the game with him. Though you have the chance to talk to other characters who more or less understand what is going on, without breaking their minds.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I know I was asking similar question before, but...

What will you do if you get isekai into LiL as 21st student (not that secret furry student)? You get there with all the knowledge about the game you already have, but consider that Sensei only wants to fuck you and he always blackouts when you try to meta talk about the game with him. Though you have the chance to talk to other characters who more or less understand what is going on, without breaking their minds.

Glomming onto Yumi in 3...2...

 

[givemeabeer]

I know I was asking similar question before, but...

What will you do if you get isekai into LiL as 21st student (not that secret furry student)? You get there with all the knowledge about the game you already have, but consider that Sensei only wants to fuck you and he always blackouts when you try to meta talk about the game with him. Though you have the chance to talk to other characters who more or less understand what is going on, without breaking their minds.

Easy : testing the limit.
That's the only thing I would do.

Like writing about the reset phenomenon, instead of talking about it.
Or, mutilate Sensei, cutting his arms and legs, to check if it stay that way, or if it reappear after a reset.

That sort of thing...

 

[GrandAdmiral99]

Behold...Sith Yumi.

Spoiler: Darth Yumi 1

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Spoiler: Darth Yumi 2

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[LessonsInDissonance]

I know I was asking similar question before, but...

What will you do if you get isekai into LiL as 21st student

 

[Pedro4545454]

I know I was asking similar question before, but...

What will you do if you get isekai into LiL as 21st student (not that secret furry student)? You get there with all the knowledge about the game you already have, but consider that Sensei only wants to fuck you and he always blackouts when you try to meta talk about the game with him. Though you have the chance to talk to other characters who more or less understand what is going on, without breaking their minds.

Genuinely trying to break the world, really breaking the world and considering the gods and I being able to contact them by jumping between dimensions (I'll figure out a way to go to those other ones dimensions of purpose) I would try to create some agreement with the gods in the least sexual way possible so that I could acquire even more knowledge.

And try at all costs to bring Maya Prime back ;-;

 

[Antosha]

That's was my theory for a long time too, but I feel like Ch4 and maybe Ch3 kind of discourage that line of thinking. It's almost disconcerting reading Ch1/Ch2 again and seeing how much more pronounced the clues for this were. Like it's unimaginable in Ch4 2025 to imagine Maya facing the screen and giving Sensei a rundown on the holy trinity. Obviously, changes of seasons and changing narrators blah blah mean different focuses, but it's just so... weirdly uncompelling for me now. It's genuinely like Ch1-3 and Ch4+ Senseis are different people, which does have its fair share of allusions in the narration. Note how different Sensei's posture is in the Yasu remake of going shopping with Ami.





Consider: In that one scene in Ch3 with loli Maya, why does she say "This isn't what *I* wished for?"

Hmm.

Well, by my theory logic,

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Or she could be a transformed kitty. I like that idea too.