I'm having a hard time recalling that scene so I'll have to take another look at it when I got a second. Also, you're right, I did assume you meant they had a romantic relationship while he was still alive, that's my bad.
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That's exactly what I meant, Ami and her Father having something romantic prior to his death. Not that there was any abuse going on. Her calling you "Daddy" when you've already assigned yourself a nickname for her to call you (assuming you didn't try typing Daddy, which that in itself is also a whole other reason why I found this kinda weird seeing as she wasn't even comfortable about that nickname in the first place) kinda gives you that impression. Hell I doubt there was any kind of relationship and Ami was just crazy about her Father, which is why I said prior that Sensei was likely the stand-in male for her obsessions and other incestuous fantasies and thinks of her Father when committing sexual acts with Sensei from time to time. I'm under the impression that Makoto could be that way too, wouldn't put it past her either.
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All of them, you can't just focus on one girl in this game (at least not on the current route).
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I just feared that it will trigger and lock me out of 10 lust events =)
Though I really curious about it now, since what can happend that can do that storywise? (dont answer that, I will be there soon enough myself ^^)
Yeah, this isn't really a porn game so much as it is a game with the occasional porn. I think we all came into it for that at first to at least some extent, though some like myself don't really care if it is a porn game or just a game with porn. I don't think anyone was expecting it to be this good, that's likely because of the usual quality here on F95, but it blew any expectations we had clear out of the water. I find myself caring for the girls as well, so much so that I actively dread things that could hurt any of them even if it gets me another girl, even if it gets me best girl Rin. The things that get me thinking outside the game aren't the events in it, but what could come next. Some of us like to theorize here on the thread and we can come up with some pretty interesting possibilities.
I don't dislike her, I feel both fear of her increasingly yandere tendencies and concern for her. She needs help and fast or this is likely to get ugly. I think she did have some level of forbidden affection toward Sensei before all this, but the thing with her parents might have amplified it as a sort of coping mechanism. Then, when that amplified forbidden love is seemingly on the edge of going unrequited, she snapped and is now treading a very dangerous path for every character in the game, herself included. They may have just been especially close without crossing the line and there's no sign they were already actively engaging in the forbidden, so I'm not quite ready to support that possibility. In fact, her actions at the beginning suggest they were not doing anything they shouldn't be.
At first, I did not as I saw her as a needlessly aggressive bully, which I have real life experience with on the same side as Futaba, not in Yumi's position. But as the game has progressed, I've come to realize that she isn't as bad as a typical bully, she just doesn't know how to not be that way.
Her bullying Futaba isn't malicious at all, but is actually an agressive form of trying to push Futaba in the right direction, pushing her to be better. She's trying to get Futaba to rise above her tormentor and become stronger for it. It's kind of 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' kind of approach. I don't agree with her method, but I support that goal.
Her hostility toward player Sensei is also warranted given what happens early in her story, so I won't fault her for that, and she's also a bit of a tsundere, which you can see in the Christmas events. Her 'gift' is actually kind of cute, I expected blatant insults. She's been tsun this entire time and she's finally going dere for a bit.
No, no, not sexual abuse from her parents, that's not what he's saying at all. She was actually rather close with them both as well as old Sensei. With as close as she was to them, she felt the loss on an extreme level and with old Sensei being the only one left, her attachment subconsciously transferred to him and doubled what was already there. She was likely already closer than usual with old Sensei, but that loss amplified her attachment to old Sensei to incestuous levels. That's what we're saying on that.
I'm afraid you are correct on her fearing the loss of player Sensei, but not why. She isn't afraid because he's the last of her family, but becausehe's the last person with which she has a stronger than normal emotional attachment. She saw him getting closer to other girls and, because she was already attached closer than is normal, she sees them as a threat to that attachment.
This is a typical yandere trait, anyone who gets close or takes time away from said yandere and the love interest of said yandere is a threat. She fell into this sickness because of the loss coupled with the already overly close attachment she had to player Sensei that was further amplified by that loss. She likely also fell into incestuous levels of attachment as a result of the other girls as well.
She's still my least favorite, but she is growing on me.
Yep, she's definitely using him as a stand-in or at least was in that instance. It could have been an isolated incident, though, where she simply slipped into thinking of them.
I don't think so, look at how she reacts early on to potentially incestuous moments compared to how she acts now. While I agree they were close, I don't think she had crossed any lines with anyone, which explains why she doesn't react favorably toward potentially incestuous moments at first.
I think she mentally crossed that line when she realized the one family she had left, who she was dangerously close to an incest level relationship already with due to being closer to both her parents and old Sensei, was going to be taken by another girl if she didn't. She herself was against it until it was her only option. Then she acted on it in that first scene and crossed the line fully, something old Sensei might not have allowed to happen, but player Sensei did.
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Man I love that there is some content when you choose names, since most people dont even notice that, but I have a question, is there any names that will mark you? For example
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That's a fair assessment, maybe she's that desperate for affection that she thought crossing that line would've pleased Sensei. Guess I didn't really look at it that way. Also I don't know if I missed anything or not but wasn't she since the start of her route open to incest with Sensei anyway? Hell at a main event she was masturbating at the thought of him too and the both of them haven't even done much of anything aside from sharing the couch. (Or I think that scene happened first or later, might have to go back and take a gander at it again when she was sick.)
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Dude I fucking love the added content with assigning nicknames lmfao, especially when you ask to be called
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I dunno about this. Some things have definitely hinted at her being into incest for a while. Like some of her mangas and stuff, and I figure that interest was because of Sensei. Part of me wonders if the initial dream sequence was actually a dream, though there's a lot to suggest that it was/is.
She might've had a thing for Daddy, but, I think her feelings for Sensei are very genuine on their own.
I don't think it was to please him, but rather to keep him from leaving her. She wants him to be hers alone and her to be his alone and the threat of the other girls taking him away scared her into crossing the line.
Remember the opening scenes when player Sensei was doing some exploration of the house? Yeah, she wasn't exactly pleased when his exploration found her for obvious reasons for a normal relationship. I think she had stronger than normal feelings, but not strong enough to cross the line until she was threatened with losing him.
A while, but not the whole time. She's also been threatened by the other girls taking him for a while as well. She may have been into incest on a fetish level, but not so far as to try for real. I'm like that as well, so I know where she's coming from if that's the case.
I still think it was an isolated memory coming up in the middle of that maid event, but who knows, she is definitely unhinged at this point and she could have literally been thinking anything.
The initial scene was definitely a dream as she does mention her virginity later in a different event and there was penetration in the one you're referencing.
Definitely
There are potential explanations for this, but it does seem most likely that it was a dream. Just little things make me wonder from time to time.
Hell, I'm not even sure it's canonical at this point. Sel's said he regrets putting it in, so I'd just view it as a bonus scene until it matters one way or the other.
Well, the poster I was responding to did reply saying they think Ami and her father did have a romantic/sexual relationship, and since Ami would had to have been underage at that time, it would have been sexual abuse but I don't really wanna get caught up in semantics like that
I think Ami did not have a romance with her father. It's possible but I think it's more likely that Ami either had incestuous thoughts that became amplified after their passing or that she developed these feelings after her parents passed away.I think we agree on why Ami is afraid of losing Sensei for the most part. Him being the last of her family is only part of what I think scares her.
I worked with troubled kids for 3 years so she has a bit of a soft spot for me. Yes, she's rough around the edges. She's hostile, aggressive, and wants the world to know she doesn't need anybody, but that's all an act. I'm excited to (hopefully) watch her life get better and learn to let people in and not lewd her once lol
That's precisely what I mean, I was being vague to not have to use inline spoilers as I use those when specific details are stated. While it is true that most of it was her as a teen, there was no indication of anything else. You would think she would at least have a faint sign of arousal or some other sign of incestuous feelings. It was only later that we saw signs that she was attracted to him sexually.
The slip of the tongue was not related to her trying to get him to stay, that, I believe, was an isolated incident of remembering them, which can happen at the worst of times. However, the act of having sex was.
She saw that the other girls were getting close and, since she is unaware of any other sexual relations as of right now, she offered what she thought was the one thing they weren't giving him. She was intentionally appealing to his baser insticts to keep him wrapped around her finger, not even aware he had been with others or that he already intended to do this with her on his own terms anyway.
I'm not sure this would have worked on old Sensei, but it did on player Sensei because he let it.
I just view it as some sort of hallucination triggered by a certain entity that also forced him to kiss a certain other girl.
I don't think they did. I think they were closer than normal, but not that close, I agree with you on that. I think the incestuous thoughts came after as a result of her connection to old Sensei as well as her father being forced into one even stronger connection toward player Sensei.Well, the poster I was responding to did reply saying they think Ami and her father did have a romantic/sexual relationship, and since Ami would had to have been underage at that time, it would have been sexual abuse but I don't really wanna get caught up in semantics like that
I think we agree on why Ami is afraid of losing Sensei for the most part. Him being the last of her family is only part of what I think scares her.
I worked with troubled kids for 3 years so she has a bit of a soft spot for me. Yes, she's rough around the edges. She's hostile, aggressive, and wants the world to know she doesn't need anybody, but that's all an act. I'm excited to (hopefully) watch her life get better and learn to let people in and not lewd her once lol
Even then, I don't think she would have crossed the line of actually doing something on her own without the threat of the other girls taking that connection away.
Knowing the genre of this game, Denpa, we might not see her life get better for a few years IF it does. I can say the same on all characters.
That said, I do hope it does on the true route.
On Yumi's aggressiveness, you can also see a bit of a maternal side in it, especially around Chinami. Along with Chika, she's been forced into a sort of big sister or mother role and, while Chika is the mom/sister who doesn't mess around, but lets the kid take some chances like meeting player Sensei, Yumi is the mom/sister that finds the idiot dumb enough to bully their kid/younger sister and beats them to a pulp.
I've said this before, but she's like a mother bear, fierce when needed, gentle when not. That's what has me starting to like her.
On the first part, basically, yeah, there is no real high ground in this game morally, at least not on this route. She might have had some incestuous feelings, but she seems to have never acted on them until the events of the game. She also might not have wanted to until she was pushed into it by the other girls getting too close for her comfort.
Yeah I think that's a fair assessment. I personally don't think she had those fantasies prior to her father's death but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility and wouldn't really shock me if that was revealed to be true.
Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here. I think the thoughts came after and even if they didn't I don't think she would have actually tried something unless she felt backed into a corner by another girl.
I don't have much hope that things will get better for Yumi, considering the genre, but I want to believe that it's possible haha. I have a feeling that things will be better/worse for the girls depending on whether you romance them or not and Yumi is someone I really want to see succeed, so I'm staying away from all her lust scenes. That, and she reminds me of some of the people I've helped in real life so pursuing her feels weird for me lol
I think you're right about Makoto. Makoto's mother also thinks Makoto is seeking a father figure in Sensei, and yeah, with the male population being essentially 0, the girls having father issues makes a lot of sense. Now I'm interested to learn more about Ami's feelings/relationship with her late father.
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Welcome aboard buddy. I'm interested too.