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pretty sure all the main girls will eventually have their own path to an ending of some sort. the side girls are still very important to game progression though. there are plenty of main events that are contingent on having seen the events of certain side characters
Main characters live in the dorm and get more scenes. Whether that has broader implications on the story at large as to whatever these girls "really" are is tough to say. We do have one instance of a side character being upgraded to a main character so far (Kirin)
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Main characters, save for Ami, are mandatory. Their content, including their sex content, is unavoidable, even if you really, truly, despise that character. Ami is the only exception. When they get new content, it usually comes in groups of 4 scenes.
Side characters are optional. Some of the story scenes may be necessary to advance the plot, but whether or not you're sleeping with them is optional. When they get new content, they usually only get 2 new scenes each.
Niki is also a mandatory romance. The only side character exception so far.
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Alright, this has been bugging me to a small degree for months now and i can finally be fucked to type this out. Wtf is the deal with Io? I don't really get her character or her arc, she seems to glom onto Sensei suddenly and without any real reason, projecting a bunch of stuff on to him, she fucking hates people because she fucking hates people and... i just don't get her, she doesn't click in like a puzzle piece, she seems poorly formed and written, actions without motivations, reactions without foundational explanations. I just don't get her, does anyone? And if so, can you explain wtf she is in a way my autistic brain can understand? I'm not looking for a brief summation like "she's just misanthropic", my confusion is not in the parts that make her up but how they all fit together.
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I kind of feel that way about all the floor 2 girls except for Kirin and Noriko, but since we've gotten movement on Molly/Tsuneyo the past few updates, I have to imagine that the others will follow and start to come together eventually.
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Ugh, wish I hadn't borked my save so I could replay her scenes. I'm gonna have to go from memory here.
I don't think she hates people. I think she hates being abandoned, and they can't abandon you if they were never close to begin with.
She's showing signs of having a Favorite Person relationship with Sensei, which is an indicator of Borderline Personality Disorder. All of her self-worth and validation comes from Sensei, from how much time he spends with her to the quality of the time they spend together, and any time when she knows he's with someone else -- in any capacity -- she sees it as a deflation of her worth as a person. This is very dangerous for Io -- Sensei is probably the worst character in the game to have that kind of attachment to. To her, he represents almost a savior -- from solitude and from herself.
I could be off base here. We don't see the extreme anger that can manifest in BPD patients, at least not yet -- but very technically, it's still early. We don't have a lot of 1x1 time with her just yet.
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In Things that Hurt, Yumi doesn't run away.
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It's based on the Yumiknows flag, which is determine by which event happens first, Yumi's event Abyss, or the trip to the onsen with Chika.
If you did the Onsen trip first, Yumi knows you're dating Chika, and you get Seeing Red. If you did Abyss first, you'll get Things That Hurt.
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Hmmmm. Well i have no experience with BPD people so if Selebus is somewhat modelling her after one then it'd make perfect sense why she doesn't seem to make much sense to me. She definitely seems to hate people though, not actively, just in "i have absolutely no fucking interest in you whatsoever, go away" way. You've helped Bargle but i still feel like i only have a poor understanding of her.
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Is there a way I can go back and get this scene? My earliest save has the Chika event completed already?
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I actually didn't noticed when I got Seeing Red at first and thought that that's how the scene goes anyway. Was so proud of Yumi for standing her ground.
Anyway, do u have a background in clinical psychology?
There's a cheat solution couple of pages back.
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thank you and thanks to others that replied as well this is very helpful!
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count yourself lucky. having dated and fallen in love with someone with BPD, it is a fucking nightmare. pretty sure the whole ordeal took years off of my life. if you're someone that feels an inclination to "fix" people, stay far far away for your own well being. and if you're someone who cannot handle someone else making you the inception-esque totem they cling to obsessively, stay far far away for theirs
I would add to this, that with BPD (speaking from personal experience) there's typically a cause in the person's background. Not a specific singular point where things went 'wrong' and caused the disorder; but a series of things. The most common cause being a feeling of loss that just never goes away. A powerless feeling, and clinical depression. So they will push others away because as you said, they can't abandon you if they weren't close to begin with.
However, I don't think she sees him with someone else as being a deflation of her worth. Rather, I think she starts to worry that the person will forget about her. Like so many others have done in the past (in her mind) and that Sensei is going to be no different. So mentally she is preparing herself for the eventual moment he leaves her. She may even try to cause that to happen, since in her mind, she knows that's going to happen anyway.
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Not professionally or academically, no. I'm part of a social circle that's very open about our various mental health issues, so I learn a lot through exposure.
I could easily be off base, that's just the vibe I get.
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I have no experience so i cannot backup or disparage your claims but i can say if it's all bullshit it is at the very least very convincing bullshit
It certainly has given me something to work with, which as big improvement over the complete cluelessness i started with.
I also know nothing about borderline personality disorder, so I can't add anything to the idea that Io may or may not have it. However, there are certain aspects of Io's personality that are established, and based on those I feel like her behaviour makes sense. Bear with me, I know a lot of this is a rehash of what most or all of us already know:
1) Io thinks she has no real worth as a person - she's stated this many times.
2) She doesn't enjoy being around, or interacting with other people in most cases (Sensei and Uta being the exceptions we're aware of).
Now, I believe #2 to, partially, be an extension of #1 - After all, if she's worthless, why would these other people *want* to interact with her, why would they want her around at all? And if they're saying otherwise - aren't they likely lying about how they really feel? Why hang around people who are lying to her all the time? And similar thought spirals caused by extreme low self esteem.
Why are Uta and Sensei not lumped in with everyone else? Uta I don't know, it likely has something to do with her, and Io's shared past. Sensei it might have to do with the fact that he *isn't* a good person, and Io may understand that latching onto him like she has will wind up going badly for her in the end - which, since she's terrible, is a fate she deserves.
She also likely has a healthy dose of being an introvert, which means that interacting with people in a social setting, even if she's enjoying it, can be incredibly draining, which adds to the desire not to be around them.
Largely I just don't know why she things so poorly of herself - and I think that just hasn't come out in her story, yet. When it does, it might help explain the exceptions, better than my guesses. Either way, I'm sure her isolationism, and self-destructive tendencies stem from her personal view of herself to a large degree.
Just my pair of copper coins for the discussion.
1) Io thinks she has no real worth as a person - she's stated this many times.
2) She doesn't enjoy being around, or interacting with other people in most cases (Sensei and Uta being the exceptions we're aware of).
Now, I believe #2 to, partially, be an extension of #1 - After all, if she's worthless, why would these other people *want* to interact with her, why would they want her around at all? And if they're saying otherwise - aren't they likely lying about how they really feel? Why hang around people who are lying to her all the time? And similar thought spirals caused by extreme low self esteem.
Why are Uta and Sensei not lumped in with everyone else? Uta I don't know, it likely has something to do with her, and Io's shared past. Sensei it might have to do with the fact that he *isn't* a good person, and Io may understand that latching onto him like she has will wind up going badly for her in the end - which, since she's terrible, is a fate she deserves.
She also likely has a healthy dose of being an introvert, which means that interacting with people in a social setting, even if she's enjoying it, can be incredibly draining, which adds to the desire not to be around them.
Largely I just don't know why she things so poorly of herself - and I think that just hasn't come out in her story, yet. When it does, it might help explain the exceptions, better than my guesses. Either way, I'm sure her isolationism, and self-destructive tendencies stem from her personal view of herself to a large degree.
Just my pair of copper coins for the discussion.