Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

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canaan0128 said:
Imean,after talking with you guys, I feel like Ima now playing Doki Doki Literature Club. dude everything feels so familiar. :)
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The game was definitely partially inspired by DDLC. But in hindsight, DDLC feels like a concept demo in comparison. Both in terms of story length and character depth.
DDLC is rather gimmicky, with a clear focus on subverting expectations, the contrast between slice of life atmosphere and straight up gore, and re-defining psychological horror within a VN gameplay loop.

LiL borrowed some of its themes from the first two points, while the gameplay is about as creative as unseasoned cooked boiled potatoes.
At the end of the day though, they are not really comparable titles. LiL is a story-rich game that focuses on character development, lore and mystery. The gimmicky DDLC factor acts mostly just as a hook in the beginning of the game. The meat and potatoes lie in the dialogues and character interactions and only gets to fully bloom in the long run.
Also idk why I'm thinking of potatoes all the time, I guess I played through too many Molly events lately.
 
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In terms of DDLC I thought it was a bit curious how Selebus remade the opening shot to look fairly close to the famous Just Monika shot. This could be a coincidence, but if not it strikes me as unusual since Selebus feels the type to want to maintain at least a veneer of originality even when copying other things. This could be a point to Sensei as a 'media obsessed figure' who is projecting the media he's seen onto his surroundings (see also the recent happy events which are 1:1 creations of Lynch's Twin Peaks and rabbit shorts).

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In terms of DDLC I thought it was a bit curious how Selebus remade the opening shot to look fairly close to the famous Just Monika shot. This could be a coincidence, but if not it strikes me as unusual since Selebus feels the type to want to maintain at least a veneer of originality even when copying other things. This could be a point to Sensei as a 'media obsessed figure' who is projecting the media he's seen onto his surroundings (see also the recent happy events which are 1:1 creations of Lynch's Twin Peaks and rabbit shorts).

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I really believe these would make PERFECT halloween costumes.
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But in all seriousness i think these would be fitting costumes.
 
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PineApplePrinceAkira said:
I really believe these would make PERFECT halloween costumes.
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But in all seriousness i think these would be fitting costumes.
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Tbh, none of those images did or meant anything to me... except the last two, that was hilarious, and adorable at the same time...
 
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With all the posts about new playthroughs and rereads I caved. Started the first event just now with the auto mod. Had to pause for a second because this first event is so emotional and I'm already getting watery eyes.

Ok back to the breathing and jumping.
 
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canaan0128 said:
Well atleast Ima now in the game so i will enjoy first. few questions before start!! Is this game overall more of a cheerful slice-of-life style, or does it lean towards a dark tone filled with depression and sadness? Did the protagonist really travel through time, or is it some kind of... brainwashing or dream? (If it doesn't involve spoilers.) bruh... recently read some romance novels with bad endings, and I really need something to cure me. Especially since LIL updates almost every month or every couple of months. It feels like the creator of this game must either love it deeply or be a full-time developer. Compared to the painfully slow update pace of other similar visual novels, LIL truly a fresh air!
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No spoilers, but… no. It’s about as far from cheerful slice-of-life as you can get. It’s a metaphysical/psychological descent into some really dark, uncomfortable places (denpa), with wonderful characters (though the MC is a putz), deep lore, and some legit LOL humor. It’s loooong (~2 million words), and it’s only about half way done.
 
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Antosha said:
No spoilers, but… no. It’s about as far from cheerful slice-of-life as you can get. It’s a metaphysical/psychological descent into some really dark, uncomfortable places (denpa), with wonderful characters (though the MC is a putz), deep lore, and some legit LOL humor. It’s loooong (~2 million words), and it’s only about half way done.
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Actually it's almost 3 million words. LiL should make it somewhere between 0.47 and 0.49
 
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canaan0128 said:
well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)
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Um. Hard to answer without getting very spoiler-y, but…

No. MC is not a nice person. Part of the power of the game is him and us looking at that and exploring why.

Where you are (the very beginning), he treats the other characters as if he’s the protagonist in a run-of-the-mill collect-them-all school harem game. Rack up those affection points. Seduce them and move on. Yeehaw.

Then he starts to realize that they are people. And that there’s something very weird happening.

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(Side note: Ami is just so cute. Just so cute. Sooooo cute!:love:）
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Heh. Yes, she is. And she’s only getting started. :sneaky:

She eventually reveals herself to be… quite a lot more. But enjoy the unfiltered kawaii while you can!

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Actually it's almost 3 million words. LiL should make it somewhere between 0.47 and 0.49
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Woof.

I struggle to write a thousand words a day. At that rate, without a break (to, say, visit Japan or take a weekend off) or needing to delete anything because I’d written myself into a dead end, it would take eight years+ to reach 3M words.

ETA: Which, in fairness, Sel has done in about half that time. Good for him!
 
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I agree in the sense of how Akira perceives it. But it was really hard for me, the reader, to not interpret it as a simple bribe done in order to get her letter/gift/whatever that was to Niki. Thus, it would make Otoha the opposite of what you're saying, she'd simply be manipulating Akira to try to get to Niki, again. Maybe even including him in a threesome idea, since she can't get Niki by herself.

I think it would suit the story for Otoha to become close friends with Akira given that she has burned all bridges and only Nodoka remains as a friend to her. I just don't know that we are there yet in terms of genuine feelings, I hope so though. Just withholding judgement for now.
 
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I’ve never hated Otoha, unlike many here. But I think you’re right.

It’s interesting that some of Akira’s healthiest interactions lately are with gold-star lesbians — Otoha and Osako. I think it’s liberating for him to interact with someone he knows there isn’t a chance of him bedding. Yet.

I think he had this relationship with good-homie Rin, early on. I miss the sorta wholesomeness of their early interactions.

Also, we’re probably going to hit 50k posts on this thread in the next few days. Go us.
 
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a beautiful night for Molly's invite event( maybe i think)

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Well, playthrough 3 has officially started. Addiction is real, I guess. Gonna go slow and just play new updates as they come out on other saves, to keep current with folks here, this time.

But I wanna pull a Moonflare and really soak in the game this time and observe things with all the knowledge of current LiL lore.
 
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TFW nobody liked my 'kumo no ami (クモの網)' 'kumon-mi' theory :(
To be fair, it's so clever that it's almost hard to believe anyone coming up with it naturally, maybe.

Anyway, just had a random intuition. I bet Selebus is at least 60% so dead-set on having a vocal song commissioned for each heroine in their purity route because Monika was the one who sung DDLC's ending theme, 'Your Reality.' As a seasoned visual novel veteran I've heretofore avoided drawing too many comparisons between DDLC and LiL to avoid what no doubt must be an extremely tiring cliche, but I'm suddenly realizing Selebus is a pretty serious fan of DDLC to a degree belied by his 8/10 rating for it on VNDB. Might be worth exploring a bit more than I have.
 
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