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DeSkel woke up feeling like a FBI agent and gave us a marvellous gather of information to recap their past. Sometimes i wonder how some of you remember when happen certains things.
After some time i forgot almost everything and only after trying hard to remember i can sometimes remember about it xdd
- May 22, 2020
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I dont know what this is and why it would make some relevant drama. Can someone explain it?
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Without Illusion (developer/company) there would be no Lil. No Lil, no HHG, and a lot more, i guess this side would be just a third of what it is.
Just crappy RPGM and Daz3D games.
Illusion created Koikatsu (Sunshine) and Honey Select (2) among others.
Those games come with a character creator. Thats where the girls come from.
And almost all the assets you see in Lil come from Koikatsu.
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More psycho Ami foreshadowing
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- Sep 5, 2020
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Illusion had partnered with Fakku for western distribution and rights enforcement, but rights enforcement by proxy is always murky. If Fakku winds up buying the assets, they'll be able to litigate much more cleanly, and based on how they have behaved in the past, I'd be shocked if they didn't go full-bore after everyone.
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I'd say it's closer to half the games on this site once you weed out the abandoned games. New KK-based games pop up several times a week lately.
As to why this matters -- neither Honey Select nor Koikatsu have open licenses, and Illusion was very publically complaining about people making for-profit games using their assets, but Illusion doesn't do business outside Japan directly, so they could only litigate in Japan against people working in the country. If an international firm buys the assets, the lack of an open use license could potentially result in a large number of independent H-game developers getting sued over the use of the games for commercial products.
A lot of developers have been riding a grey area, where "the game is free and always will be, you're just donating money to me so I can dedicate time to the game," but if that ever gets tested in court...
The people outright selling these games on itch.io are potentially fucked.
- Sep 5, 2021
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Oh shit, didn't realise Fakku was involved... fuck... I can just imagine their legal department licking their lips at this closure...
They're not all crap, but yeah, most are.
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To be clear, I don't know if FAKKU is involved in the closure, or if they're acquiring Illusion's assets. I just know that FAKKU handles western (non-pirated) distribution of KK and Honey Select.
- Jan 14, 2021
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So does this mean the future of LiL is in jeopardy? I guess it would be funny if the guy who put malware in his game to combat piracy gets sued for stealing assets.
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He makes custom render for patreons so he is literally making profit off of illegal assets right now.
- Sep 5, 2021
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Naw i understood you man, but Fakku are a cancer and i can easily see them eyeing the IP up in full so, for me at least, the water is even murkier now that i know this particular species of scum is presently growing in the pond.
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Potentially. It's going to depend on who gets the assets and how much they care about little guys, because literally all the creators using KK/HS are just that -- little guys. The amount that could be collected by pursuing damages is probably less than the cost of pursuing them. Nintendo's super litigious about their IP, but they also have piles of cash to burn on being petty. Most companies don't, and most companies that exclusively deal in morally dubious sexual content generally want to minimize their exposure to the courts to begin with.
And if they go after the bigger hitters like Selebus and Runey, but not the small fish, lawyers can have a field day about "selective enforcement"
There's also the fact that Fakku's been handling western distribution and rights enforcement since 2019, and has yet to pursue action despite a strongly-worded open letter saying they would. It's been 4 years with no real action taken.
Lmao I'm not surprised, I came here to see how people were reacting to Illusion shutting down and the usual suspects are licking their lips fantasising about how this could lead to LiL shutting down.
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I don't think anybody here is "licking their lips fantasizing about how this could lead to LiL shutting down", we are all clearly fans of the game and I think we all want to see how it ends. People here are speculating about what may happen. I will say I find it hard to feel sorry for a hypocrite but I still want the game to continue.
Nor am I, but this is about a whole lot more than LiL at this point, an entire market is endangered by potentially litigation happy elements. I honestly couldn't care less about the rest of the market as all the games outside of LiL I have followed are either done (Once In a Lifetime by Caribdis), abandoned (There's a long list on this one), or I dropped them for one reason or another (Harem Hotel by Runey), I just want to see LiL get to its planned developmental conclusion.
- Sep 29, 2019
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Some people after hearing about this Illusion stuff:
Others:
Even more others:
Then there's me:
Honestly, considering the whole Patreon fiasco and how deadset Selebus seems to be on this game, I don't really think even losing Koikatsu will end this game. It'll definitely make things far more messy, and time consuming though.
Just imagine Kaori in Daz or a Blender made Koikatsu inspired version of the characters. Of course, this is me being optimistically out of character, so, who knows.
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Honestly, considering the whole Patreon fiasco and how deadset Selebus seems to be on this game, I don't really think even losing Koikatsu will end this game. It'll definitely make things far more messy, and time consuming though.
Just imagine Kaori in Daz or a Blender made Koikatsu inspired version of the characters. Of course, this is me being optimistically out of character, so, who knows.
And finally, last but certainly not least, the next cards: Nao-chan and Rika
- Nov 3, 2019
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Hol' up!
Can someone explain to me what this "losing Koikatsu" is?
Usually, just cause a software goes bankrupt doesn't mean all their software becomes unable to use. I mean, sure, you won't be able to buy new copies of the game anymore. And there will be no more updates, which means your existing copy will need to be run by an emulator after it becomes uncompatible with the mainstream computer system 50 years from now .
But assuming Selebus bought Koikatsu, couldn't he just keep on using it for the time being? Or even download it from F95zone, worse case scenerio?
And since Illusion is busted and no company's apparently going to be buying them, isn't the possiblility of someone suing Selebus for using Koikatsu still at virtually 0%