Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

The propblem is that rules of Kumon-mi do not prohibit things like "we saw Ami killed, but from Ami perspective she never was killed". Well, tehchnically you can state something like "things on-screen are real and characters' attempts to understand it are reset-induced dellusions / magic", but it would be just one definition of reality (pretty useful, though)

Actualy, there is a better question: is cute girl magic real?

My bad, must have missed this.

Anyway, keep in mind that seeing or thinking something doesn't actually make something "real". Even in real life. It's only thought to be "real". People can fake their deaths, and others can think they are dead, but the reality is, that they faked their deaths. In this scenario, it's "real" that we saw Ami dead. Whether Ami was actually dead, is unknown. Ami's or our own perspective doesn't change "reality". If she was alive, she was alive. If she was dead, she was dead. Whether Ami knows what happened doesn't actually matter.

Although, Makoto seems to remember her deaths, so It doesn't seem like it's actually removed from their memory when characters die. They seem to just try to ignore and forget things they don't understand or don't want to remember.

Also, Ami might have some actual "Cute Girl Magic", but I don't think Ayane and Maya actually do. Ayane is rich and smart, so she can just buy things to show off later. Maya likes food and isn't exactly afraid of getting fat, since she probably can't.

Ami on the other hand is either an expert at Hypnotism or has some kind of magic, in this world:

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At least, if you're not fucking her in the 'Robin Hood' Main Event.

To be fair though, Ami did seem to possibly do something to Io and Uta prior to apparently manipulating their minds on cue.

During the 'Midnight Mom Mosh' Main Event, Sensei made it blatantly clear that he had a secret relationship with Uta and Io right in front of Ami. Ami then made it clear she was going to "have a few words" with them:

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So, it's possibly more like a cheat code, hack, or failsafe, depending on what abilities Ami actually possesses in this world. What may seem magical or supernatural could be, well, not, by this world's standards.

It still isn't clear exactly how this world works.

 

[JelF547]

Anyway, keep in mind that seeing or thinking something doesn't actually make something "real". Even in real life. It's only thought to be "real". People can fake their deaths, and others can think they are dead, but the reality is, that they faked their deaths.

Sure and I have never wrote so. The problem that distinguisher we use in real live would not work in Kumon-mi. There is no problem with artificial fakes (like direct lie) - they are obviously not real.

In this scenario, it's "real" that we saw Ami dead. Whether Ami was actually dead, is unknown. Ami's or our own perspective doesn't change "reality". If she was alive, she was alive. If she was dead, she was dead. Whether Ami knows what happened doesn't actually matter.

So the truth here is that nobody can answer did Ami realy died, isn't it?

Although, Makoto seems to remember her deaths, so It doesn't seem like it's actually removed from their memory when characters die. They seem to just try to ignore and forget things they don't understand or don't want to remember.

Just reminder: Makoto haven't died in bluejay (at least it wasn't shown), her fall from the roof was interupted by some kind of divine intervention.

Also, Ami might have some actual "Cute Girl Magic", but I don't think Ayane and Maya actually do. Ayane is rich and smart, so she can just buy things to show off later. Maya likes food and isn't exactly afraid of getting fat, since she probably can't.

You are missing the point. The question is not "can cute girl magic be explained", it is "is cute girl magic real". I can rephrase it like "would it be real if it could not be explained otherwise than magic". Also, do you realy think Ayane can hide giant banana during

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Once again, how do you define "real" regarding Kumon-mi?

 

[Bingoogus]

This discussion feels like it's gone waaaay off the rails into the severely abstract and esoteric, which isn't surprising since it's a question of fundamental philosophy, but i feel like everyone's taking it too far and getting frustrated, the new update is like less than two days away, let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

This discussion feels like it's gone waaaay off the rails into the severely abstract and esoteric, which isn't surprising since it's a question of fundamental philosophy, but i feel like everyone's taking it too far and getting frustrated, the new update is like less than two days away, let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already.

That’s right! Let us exclusively talk about penis lore for two days straight instead!

To the janitor’s closet!

 

[DeSkel15]

Sure and I have never wrote so. The problem that distinguisher we use in real live would not work in Kumon-mi. There is no problem with artificial fakes (like direct lie) - they are obviously not real.

So the truth here is that nobody can answer did Ami realy died, isn't it?

Why wouldn't it? What actually happens/exists is "reality". Simple as that. Anything else is merely theory or delusion.

Sel could answer it, technically. At this point, though, we don't even know what/who lured Ami into the hallway. Perhaps in the next update, it'll explain some things.

Just reminder: Makoto haven't died in bluejay (at least it wasn't shown), her fall from the roof was interupted by some kind of divine intervention.

That's just a theory. We see her disappear off the image, a little bit later, there's a reset, then she reappears, a little before she prepared to jump:

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Simply because we don't see her splatted, doesn't mean she wasn't. In fact, everytime things reset, it's resetting after the damage is done, not before.

For example, when Sensei suddenly went off on an anecdote that ended with him talking about having sex with Kaori and Sana in Sana's 'Black Sandy Beaches' Event, it only resetted after Sensei was done talking and reset to before he started:

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Makoto has likely died a few times. Just she can't remember being dead (for obvious reasons), and gets reset back to before she tried to kill herself.

You are missing the point. The question is not "can cute girl magic be explained", it is "is cute girl magic real". I can rephrase it like "would it be real if it could not be explained otherwise than magic". Also, do you realy think Ayane can hide giant banana during

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Once again, how do you define "real" regarding Kumon-mi?

"Real" by definition means what actually exists... what actually happens in Kumon-mi/this game, is what actually happens within this game.

It's really just that simple. What we think is "real" is another story, and that should be based off the decipherable in universe logic, and Sel's presumed intentions with that logic.

Also, I don't see why Ayane would need to hide the Banana. Just because we didn't see it beforehand, doesn't mean it wasn't there. We also know she dragged it outside:

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So, chances are, it was "real".

Maya also does eat a lot and quickly, so yes, as far as we can tell "Cute Girl Magic" is "Real". It being magic, though, is just what Ami called it. Ayane and Maya actually being magical, is probably not "real". Then again, there are Wizards in this game... so..

Honestly, I think you're focusing too much on seeing things, when even seeing something doesn't make it "Real" in the first place.

 

[DeSkel15]

That reminds me, Ayane's giant banana apparently screwed up the table she slammed it on:

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Darn 'Produce Delivery Administration' and their giant fruits.

 

[Bingoogus]

That’s right! Let us exclusively talk about penis lore for two days straight instead!

It's such a big penis, so big, so very very penis.

 

[JelF547]

Why wouldn't it? What actually happens/exists is "reality". Simple as that. Anything else is merely theory or delusion.

Because it is all the same question. How do you define actualy happens/exists?

"Real" by definition means what actually exists... what actually happens in Kumon-mi/this game, is what actually happens within this game.

So you mean that everything actualy happend in the game is "real"? Isn't it same as "what you see on-screen is real"? I told you, it is a useful one.

It's really just that simple.

It is not simple. Actualy, you haven't constructed a definition which would say that Sensei actualy exists yet.

Also, definitions of reality IRL are complex AF and require lots of ad-hoc axioms to the point when question "is something real" looses both its meaning and possibility of answer, so it would be strange if it would became simple when applied to denpa fiction.

The realy simple way is to use stupid definition and correct it from time to time

Honestly, I think you're focusing too much on seeing things, when even seeing something doesn't make it "Real" in the first place.

I am not focusing. I am suggesting the only thing I find reasonable.

You know, there is no reason to discuss reality of something at all. Theory might be true despite it's hypotesis might be not real and vice versa, because theory is true when it predicts the future (i.e. what we would see), but not when it says what is real and what is not.

But if you are going to discuss reality, you should be able to explain what do you mean by "real", because otherwise the simple answer is "nope, this is fuction, it is obviously not real". You can mean by "real" litterally everything, from "It is real if it could be IRL" to "It is real because it was said by narrator" and I can mean by "real" exact opposite thing so there is basicaly notthing to discuss unless you state what did you actualy mean by "real"

let's not lose our cool after having survived this long already

Last part is always the worst Good news no discussion would survive 0.36

It's such a big penis, so big, so very very penis.

Is that penis realy big or it is just Sensei's dellusion?

 

[Bingoogus]

Is that penis realy big or it is just Sensei's dellusion?

I cannot handle the existential blackhole of the 'what is true?' dimension, so in order to maintain my sanity, it must be a big penis. It must be big, it must be penis!

 

[JelF547]

I cannot handle the existential blackhole of the 'what is true?' dimension, so in order to maintain my sanity, it must be a big penis. It must be big, it must be penis!

Penis who?

 

[Bingoogus]

Great, now that it's only a day and a bit away, suddenly i have a glut of releases:

Where were all these 3 days ago huh? Don't these devs know how important i am and how it is their duty to provide me free entertainment at all times!? God...

 

[fdsasdf_p]

It's such a big penis, so big, so very very penis.

Penis who?

 

[DeSkel15]

Because it is all the same question. How do you define actualy happens/exists?

So you mean that everything actualy happend in the game is "real"? Isn't it same as "what you see on-screen is real"? I told you, it is a useful one.

It is not simple. Actualy, you haven't constructed a definition which would say that Sensei actualy exists yet.

Also, definitions of reality IRL are complex AF and require lots of ad-hoc axioms to the point when question "is something real" looses both its meaning and possibility of answer, so it would be strange if it would became simple when applied to denpa fiction.

The realy simple way is to use stupid definition and correct it from time to time

I am not focusing. I am suggesting the only thing I find reasonable.

You know, there is no reason to discuss reality of something at all. Theory might be true despite it's hypotesis might be not real and vice versa, because theory is true when it predicts the future (i.e. what we would see), but not when it says what is real and what is not.

But if you are going to discuss reality, you should be able to explain what do you mean by "real", because otherwise the simple answer is "nope, this is fuction, it is obviously not real". You can mean by "real" litterally everything, from "It is real if it could be IRL" to "It is real because it was said by narrator" and I can mean by "real" exact opposite thing so there is basicaly notthing to discuss unless you state what did you actualy mean by "real"

Last part is always the worst Good news no discussion would survive 0.36

Is that penis realy big or it is just Sensei's dellusion?

Hm, if you really need me to break it down then think of it like this:

• Reality is what Actually Exists.
• What Actually Exists is what defines Perception.
• What defines Perception, is Reality.

Basically: What exists for your Perception to exist, is Reality.

Those who think Perception is Reality, are ignoring that Perception is merely how one interprets Reality. Perception itself is merely a part of Reality, as are we.

In this game, what is Reality is what Sel deems it to be. We merely use the logic within it to decipher what is intended to be considered reality within.
Sensei being a pedo = logical.
Sensei being pregnant with Haruka's child = Illogical.
Sensei having reality altering dick size powers = Unclear.
Rin rolling a 5 = Damn near guaranteed.

 

[barglenarglezous]

It's been brought up before, but hasn't been discussed recently, but Maya has multiple meanings -- one of which is "that which is not," a concept from Hindu. Some aspects of the Hindu concept of Maya overlaps heavily with Paredolia. THus when I said last week that Maya was an illusion -- I wasn't entirely joking. It is very possible that Maya is something (or someone) else entirely, and Sensei was perceiving her as a normal teenage girl, and that the cliffhanger at the end of the last update was the veil being lifted from Sensei's eyes and him seeing the truth.

Under some interpretations of Maya, reality itself is an illusion, a hallucination or illusion driven by a universal subconcious concensus. White Wolf Game Studios played with this concept heavily in the 90s versions of their tabletop RPGs -- the Ravnos vampire clan could manipulate the Maya, and the core conflict of Mage: the Ascension was control over the universal subconcious concensus that defines "reality".

The more Sel leans into Paredolia, the more I think that this has some legs.

 

[Pedro4545454]

It is very possible that Maya is something (or someone) else entirely, and Sensei was perceiving her as a normal teenage girl, and that the cliffhanger at the end of the last update was the veil being lifted from Sensei's eyes and him seeing the truth.

I don't know why else this gives me so much agony now and I seriously don't know why.

 

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The final version cards 2023
A MANDATORY fix from the Ami Fix folder must be installed by everyone who has installed it before.
Rin has been corrected
Chika has been corrected
Otoha has been corrected
Sana has been corrected

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[ZathuraVentura]

The final version cards 2023
A MANDATORY fix from the Ami Fix folder must be installed by everyone who has installed it before.
Rin has been corrected
Chika has been corrected
Otoha has been corrected
Sana has been corrected

Mega

I understand these are completely different contexts, but it still feels so weird to read "X person has been corrected" without the lil angry emojis. It might be too late for me.

Also, thanks for all the hard work with the cards!

 

[JelF547]

In this game, what is Reality is what Sel deems it to be

Oh, simple, in this case everything is real

We merely use the logic within it to decipher what is intended to be considered reality within.

Sensei being a pedo = logical.
Sensei being pregnant with Haruka's child = Illogical.
Sensei having reality altering dick size powers = Unclear.
Rin rolling a 5 = Damn near guaranteed.

Do you imply that sensei being pregnant with Haruka's child cannot be "real"?

 

[DeSkel15]

It's been brought up before, but hasn't been discussed recently, but Maya has multiple meanings -- one of which is "that which is not," a concept from Hindu. Some aspects of the Hindu concept of Maya overlaps heavily with Paredolia. THus when I said last week that Maya was an illusion -- I wasn't entirely joking. It is very possible that Maya is something (or someone) else entirely, and Sensei was perceiving her as a normal teenage girl, and that the cliffhanger at the end of the last update was the veil being lifted from Sensei's eyes and him seeing the truth.

Under some interpretations of Maya, reality itself is an illusion, a hallucination or illusion driven by a universal subconcious concensus. White Wolf Game Studios played with this concept heavily in the 90s versions of their tabletop RPGs -- the Ravnos vampire clan could manipulate the Maya, and the core conflict of Mage: the Ascension was control over the universal subconcious concensus that defines "reality".

The more Sel leans into Paredolia, the more I think that this has some legs.

Ironically, in Japanese, Maya can apparently mean "Truth", "Reality", "Genuine", depending on the Kanji. Same with Maaya.

Both "Maya" and "Makinami" also happen to be the names of Japanese Warships. I can't help but wonder why Sel chose to give her the name "Maya Makinami" in particular.

 

[DeSkel15]

Oh, simple, in this case everything is real

Do you imply that sensei beingpregnant with Haruka's child cannot be "real"?

More like "nothing is real" and "everything is connected".

Also, No. I even joked about it earlier:

You know... if it turns out Sensei gave birth to Nao-chan who is his and Haruka's child, I'm going to have to sit down and contemplate life a little.