Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

[Bingoogus]

Do you want to eat it with rind?

No... but the two points of focus that are getting a positive signal sent back from my animal brain are 'warmed by her' and 'was inside her'.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

If anything I would more likely expect some sort of dick move from way out of left field from Selebus about four or five updates down the line just to really troll us.

Now that you've mentioned this, don't forget the warning you receive after Io's event.





This doesn't feel like dialogue towards Akira but rather towards the player.
To everyone in this thread, be very careful with your saves AND files, this is the type of man that would be capable of crossing the line and doing more than just uninstalling your game, just because he thinks he can.

 

[NicolasL4D]

There are some games that have the "urge" storyline, where the main character has to endure some kind of recurring temptation to do something. And it might be cool if by the end of the game there was a hidden counter related to "how many times Akira tried to be a better person when he had a choice" that led to a different ending.

That'd actually be cool.

It's definitely possible given there are variables for it (such as iosex = 0 or 1), so it could check if those are equal to 0 or something.

 

[JelF547]

No... but the two points of focus that are getting a positive signal sent back from my animal brain are 'warmed by her' and 'was inside her'.

sounds like a decent compromise between "scat" and "not scat"

 

[Moonflare]

That'd actually be cool.

It's definitely possible given there are variables for it (such as iosex = 0 or 1), so it could check if those are equal to 0 or something.

We all know Selebus is in this thread, so steal this idea, mate. We won't judge you, claim it as your own. We'll have a better game for it.

 

[Vega Cifer]

The recent discussion around not wanting to miss events in the wake of Io's event is interesting to me. The choices are there for a reason, and it's pretty clear that a missed event does not equate to failing an objective in, say, an FPS game. LiL frequently gives you no choice in the outcome of events, or explicitly shows you your lack of input with multiple identical options. Missable scenes, in my view, are things that could happen depending on your choices — but that does not mean you either "get" something or "don't get" something. If you miss a scene because you chose an option based on your desired outcome, you didn't lose a scene, you gained your desired outcome. Similarly, in the recent Io event, choosing the first option causes you to miss a scene — but the current scene continues and provides more dialogue, and importantly, narrative. I'd like to suggest to anyone feeling bad for missing events, ask yourself; do you want to see the event because you actually want to, or simply due to the effects of loss aversion, and would you actually gain more by interacting with the branching path mechanic with your desired outcome in mind? (Or using rollback lmao.)

I am doing a run where I don't want to miss events, glad this could truly peak your interest this must be studied

But seriously, it also feels as if you are missing something important or more developed by missing events, unless you're specifically going for it. The way I see it is yes there are choices, but initially there is a way the game wants you to play it if you wanna be rewarded with getting events, after that you can maybe play it over and do what you want. The first play through you wanna see certain things, and the next you can mess around

 

[derekthered56]

I agree completely - I read it as "feel bad player! muahaha". And I got that memo as early as "this town has two halves". If there is a choice, that choice has been made long ago. And there is hardly anything that Selebus can do that will convince me that I the player am somehow a deciding force in what happens.

There are some games that have the "urge" storyline, where the main character has to endure some kind of recurring temptation to do something. And it might be cool if by the end of the game there was a hidden counter related to "how many times Akira tried to be a better person when he had a choice" that led to a different ending.

Alas, to me, LiL is a book that its creator insists in transforming into a game with bad design. I keep hoping for the best, but expecting nothing outside of one good story.

I'm not knocking the idea of fake choices as a design element. I think the story would actually be weaker if it was just a straight visual novel. The fake choices give an extra sense of responsibility to the reader. It's manipulative but it works, at least for me. Seeing "destroy her" pop up sent chills down my spine. And when you get down to it, we all chose to keep reading a story about a creepy predator; the fake choices just make that more visceral.

That said I would be ecstatic if there was an extra event for having clicked "don't rape Molly" 200 times.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

usually the sex scene is used for the culmination of a route, used to bring closer the heroine and the MC and almost in a way transfer the problems of the heroine onto the MC (for example, a common thing is like the heroine finds the bravery to confront her problems after consumating her relationship with the MC).

What if "destroying her" is the correct option for her in the long run after all? Pareidolia tells us to destroy and rebuild.
Selebus is such a knob that he could've 100% given us some totally obvious hidden clues which can easily be found by tying 37 events together and decrypting the ancient egyptian language which reads "you have to traumatize Io bro trust me it's the best thing to do"

 

[JelF547]

What if "destroying her" is the correct option for her in the long run after all? Pareidolia tells us to destroy and rebuild.

What if it isn't?

 

[Bingoogus]

sounds like a decent compromise between "scat" and "not scat"

You might be on to something there... having an ass fetish has always been a perplexing one to have imo, the clear interest in an orifice solely dedicated to waste would seem ridiculous without also having a fetish for the waste... i've always found that somewhat paradoxical to my particular version of the fetish... I also have a distinct love of female urine, but that is at least not so repulsively dirty and if the girl is well hydrated it is pretty much just slightly salty water, which is the type of have the full desire for, yellow pee is only appealing to be showered in, not to drink... you know, thinking about it, there might be a connection there, see, i consider a girl's pee and consuming it to be highly intimate, the only way for water to get into the bladder is via the kidney's filtering it from the blood, so any pee someone has has naturally been circulated throughout their entire body, you'd be drinking something that has been into every nook and cranny of their being, if i take that particular focus point as a reference, given how erotic that knowledge is to me during the act, then perhaps that is what is going on with this image, it's the contents of another part of her body that instead of being drink, is food, the other half of consumption, warmed by her body, passing through the whole length of it, delivered to me to then consume... yeah... that tickles some connections in my animal brain... fasc-o-nating...

Was not expecting this train of thought and personal discovery today...

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

What if it isn't?

I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that Selebus would be capable of manufacturing some sort of stupid circlejerk to tell us that it is.

As a matter of fact it's actually dawning on me what this event really means. Anything can actually happen.

This is technically not the first grim choice we get, I don't count Molly because it's not really a choice, I am talking about Tsukasa here. Why is there a choice here with an immediate repercussion but nothing happens with Tsukasa? (yet)

This feels like a preparation for what really is about to come and I am starting to get really worried about my favorite Wizard. When you made a choice to take the plug with Tsukasa, I thought it was just going to be something sexual, but guess what you are so dirty and you think you can actually have an innocent fun time with her? think again I will make you cry.
Io's scene has told us that there are going to be NO LIMITATIONS, and now it's too late to regret any past choices.

fuck

 

[crustlord12]

https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-linear-mode-mod-v0-1-crustlord12.215252/

I've started a linear-mode mod (only up to Chapter 3 because I haven't worked out the order of Chapter 4 yet) because I want to see all the events in order from the start.

At the moment it's (probably?) Green Path only, rollback is prevented between events because of how it sorts through them, all girls have +100 love and lust from the start.

I only worked on this yesterday on my day off, so I'm certain it's buggy as hell and janky as shit. If people want to try it and do some testing to tell me what I need to fix, that would be stellar! I'll get around to sorting the Chapter 4 events soon.

Edit: also I only added girl events up to end of C1, will add those too.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

You might be on to something there... having an ass fetish has always been a perplexing one to have imo, the clear interest in an orifice solely dedicated to waste would seem ridiculous without also having a fetish for the waste... i've always found that somewhat paradoxical to my particular version of the fetish... I also have a distinct love of female urine, but that is at least not so repulsively dirty and if the girl is well hydrated it is pretty much just slightly salty water, which is the type of have the full desire for, yellow pee is only appealing to be showered in, not to drink... you know, thinking about it, there might be a connection there, see, i consider a girl's pee and consuming it to be highly intimate, the only way for water to get into the bladder is via the kidney's filtering it from the blood, so any pee someone has has naturally been circulated throughout their entire body, you'd be drinking something that has been into every nook and cranny of their being, if i take that particular focus point as a reference, given how erotic that knowledge is to me during the act, then perhaps that is what is going on with this image, it's the contents of another part of her body that instead of being drink, is food, the other half of consumption, warmed by her body, passing through the whole length of it, delivered to me to then consume... yeah... that tickles some connections in my animal brain... fasc-o-nating...

Was not expecting this train of thought and personal discovery today...

This is how you know God is a civil engineer. Who else would run a waste line right through a recreational area?

 

[ratmanirl]

What if "destroying her" is the correct option for her in the long run after all? Pareidolia tells us to destroy and rebuild.
Selebus is such a knob that he could've 100% given us some totally obvious hidden clues which can easily be found by tying 37 events together and decrypting the ancient egyptian language which reads "you have to traumatize Io bro trust me it's the best thing to do"

Then the setting of the world is one where you cure sexual abuse victims with more sexual abuse, and I proceed to stop taking the story seriously at all.

Like the story already pushes that boundary of suspension of disbelief with how he never gets caught, doing something like that would definitely push it over the edge for me lmao.

 

[Detective Dc345]

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[aramaug]

Something interesting for fans of the rooftop theory: Nodoka has been to the roof without Sensei.

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This happens right after she transfers in, before any of her own events. So it's possible that she doesn't even start hearing voices until after going to the roof. Alternatively, the voices could have told her to go to the roof as soon as she had the chance in order to "unlock her mind" or whatever.

Context for anyone who doesn't know what the rooftop theory is:

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[Moonflare]

Something interesting for fans of the rooftop theory: Nodoka has been to the roof without Sensei.

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This happens right after she transfers in, before any of her own events. So it's possible that she doesn't even start hearing voices until after going to the roof. Alternatively, the voices could have told her to go to the roof as soon as she had the chance in order to "unlock her mind" or whatever.

Context for anyone who doesn't know what the rooftop theory is:

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So, basically, what you're saying is that if Imani had included the roof on her dormwars, we'd have a full roster for the next reset?

 

[aramaug]

So, basically, what you're saying is that if Imani had included the roof on her dormwars, we'd have a full roster for the next reset?

Sure, why not

In all seriousness, even if there is something to the theory, there are additional layers that we don't know about. Ayane for some reason doesn't make it through her first reset on the roof, and Tsuneyo and Yumi don't make it to the roof the first time after being told (because Tsuneyo's father intervenes and it seems like something killed Yumi) and aren't involved at all in the next reset.

Also, in 0.41 Noriko somehow remembers Maya Prime and I don't think there's any connection between Noriko and the roof. Unless her scene on the hotel roof with Niki's letters somehow counts? Not sure why it would.

 

[Moonflare]

Sure, why not

In all seriousness, even if there is something to the theory, there are additional layers that we don't know about. Ayane for some reason doesn't make it through her first reset on the roof, and Tsuneyo and Yumi don't make it to the roof the first time after being told (because Tsuneyo's father intervenes and it seems like something killed Yumi) and aren't involved at all in the next reset.

Also, in 0.41 Noriko somehow remembers Maya Prime and I don't think there's any connection between Noriko and the roof. Unless her scene on the hotel roof with Niki's letters somehow counts? Not sure why it would.

We haven't delved into Noriko enough now that I think about it. Cause if we look at her history, she's put in Akira's school to have him recover his memories, then, presumably, the same forces have Maya give into her feelings - and that ends up leading to her death (which seems unintended by Himawari, and could be related to her interfering by saving Ayane).

So, Noriko + Maya have been manipulated by Himawari + Pareidolia. But seemingly Pareidolia is ok with Maya getting wrecked and Himawari considers it an unintended effect (could even be aware of it happening due to narrator Maya telling her). That's already a lot, but hold that thought.

Then we also have Nao-chan being sent by "them", as a help that they think Akira needs. That same Nao-chan is the one that leads Noriko to the replica of heaven where Maya Prime is being held. (btw she's TEMPLATE9, and AmIOKay says "why settle for 3, when with another 3 you have 9"? - maybe that's who she meant)

Theory time. What if Noriko has been used from the start as an agent of USER4 (or whoever group is behind Himawari/narrator Maya/Nao-chan), and as Pareidolia took control, they've now actively dropped the pretend game of working with USER3, and are using her to recover Maya (and other things as well given what's in the pot)?

this isn't a necessary part of said theory: But what would be really funny would be the possibility that somehow Narrator Maya is using Noriko to save Maya Prime in this timeline - which would understandably result in them becoming friends. What a plottwist.

Edit: 9 could also mean the desk of the ninth god, that commands someone to keep observing Akira as a zoo animal, and presumably works for Pareidolia, since the narrator disregards this order and says that Pareidolia will have their head for it.

 

[somepersonoutofnowhere]

So, basically, what you're saying is that if Imani had included the roof on her dormwars, we'd have a full roster for the next reset?

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Ayane for some reason doesn't make it through her first reset on the roof

Also, in 0.41 Noriko somehow remembers Maya Prime and I don't think there's any connection between Noriko and the roof. Unless her scene on the hotel roof with Niki's letters somehow counts? Not sure why it would.

IIRC Akira didn't confess to her until some time after that reset which caused the next reset to not make her disappear and also one of the reasons as to why one of the theorized requirements is Akira confessing, also Akira had confessed to Makoto before her reset and she survived which supported it.

Also Noriko noticing Maya Prime being unusual is a tiny bit similar to Wakana noticing that the school graduation seems off/odd. Maya Prime was warming up to Noriko and then all of the sudden the hate is fully back. I'm trying to say that they've both noticed inconsistencies in their life due to it being a important or large aspect of their lives to them, weather they get awareness of the resets or not.

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I'd like to also clarify that these theories are not mine but from the Theorists in the thread, they do a pretty good job honestly and it's quite a nice reading.
And of course speak of a theorist, Moonflare posts while I just finished this lol.