Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.47.0] [Selebus]

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Apollo259 said:
I still cant make up my mind on that narrator either, mainly because I think the "two of us return to form" line only seems to be used in relation to Sekai, but I'm not entirely sure if she fits very well either.
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If it was not for that line I would lean towards Himawari. But then again who are the "We" that are coming for "you". Maybe the multiple Sekai's idea has some more merit. Or maybe Ami and Sekai are somewhat more closely connected in relation to this than we might think. (Ami seems to have been talking to someone in her head when looking after Akira, It could have been Sekai. There was also the multiple Amis with Himawari in the last reset.)

Damit, how does Selebus always manage to make things seem so obvious and unclear at the same time.
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It's definitely Sekai talking in "The Clod and the Pebble". It's interesting that she talks about Ami's mother and the possible return to form only in the third person. I guess this supports one theory that I'm currently partial to, which is that outside of memories/happy events, we've only seen one Sekai, but it's a fake one created by Pareidolia. So the "return to form" would be for the real Sekai, who is also the moon that SeKaori claims is never coming back in "Il Cervo".

The "we" that are coming to help Sensei are probably the same ones who sent the gift of Nao-chan, and thus are somehow related to USER4 (I think Moonflare was the one who pointed this out to me).
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I think there's also a connection to USER4 in "Not the Nightingale", because the fourfold repetition of "return to form" evokes the talk of a "fourth form" in "All for You". I wrote about this in a previous post, in which I also argued that Maya is the narrator of "Miserably Ever After" (though I also originally thought it was Himawari).
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I love the idea of The Caretaker pointing to a Caring God, and that Ami is somehow connected. The stuff about "on the way to twenty-four" is a great catch, I don't see what it could mean except TERMINAL 24, which means Ami either somehow knows about a coming "mega reset" or maybe even has the ability to cause it herself.

When I thought about (some version) of Ami being involved in USER4, I wondered if it could have something to do with the mysterious "return to form," and I found something that I'm kicking myself for not noticing earlier:
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Ami uses the phrase "return to form" four times. In "All For You" the narrator uses the specific term "fourth form" to refer to the emergence of a new God, who with all of the four symbolism is presumably USER4.
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So I think "the two of US return to form" refers to two people/entities combining to form USER4. Since it's a return to form, I would think that USER4 was once whole, but was split into halves. Ami refers to (probably) herself as half of a whole:
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In the context here, the "whole" is her mom, which could have unsettling implications for the nature of a reformed USER4.

If one of the halves is (some version of) Ami, who is the other? The narrator of "Miserably Ever After" also uses the phrase, so I assume that narrator is either Ami or the other half of US. This might sound crazy, but I have a theory for who it is:
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I'd like to add one more reason (another shout-out to Moonflare here) for thinking Maya narrates "Miserably Ever After", in that the event starts by showing Maya's goodbye letter, followed closely by the narrator saying "signed - the one who drowned in [the wishing well]". I think it's likely that Maya Prime drowned in the well when she "died".
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And yes, I do still somewhat believe in the idea that somehow USER4=Ami+Maya, though I have waffled a bit that it might be USER4=Real Sekai+Maya.
 
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PhiloPhilo said:
Not mentioned: Kaori stating that she likes lambs because all of the bad things you do can be forgiven by ritualistically slaughtering one. Probably a joke/throw-away line.
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It's Sensei that says this to Kaori, rather than the other way around, and it's almost certainly not a throwaway line since it causes the world to break and then things reset to before he says it.
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Edit: As to what it means, your guess is as good as mine. It might be related to the Emissary of Pegasus talking to Yasu about a sacrifice in "Miserably Ever After".
 
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aramaug said:
It's Sensei that says this to Kaori, rather than the other way around, and it's almost certainly not a throwaway line since it causes the world to break and then things reset to before he says it.
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That's embarrassing. I completely missed this... I must have misread the text as Kaori saying this, thought it was a line from a different event where Kaori and Akira are going on about animals (I wasn't reading the dialogue in-game but from the code,) and skipped over it thinking it wasn't important to the desk of the 9th god topic. I'll cross that part out and make note of this if I do end up going over the uses of lamb at some point, but thanks for pointing it out
As for what it means, I'll have to actually put some thought into it, if it's not just be poetic waffling
 
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Moonflare said:
It would be interesting if Touka's first venture into the supernatural side of things confirmed some things we've been theorizing about Tsubasa (there are two events for her on the same update).
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Also it may confirm some stuff for my cult theory.Excited
 
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Regarding the survey:
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Yeah, it definitely seems to be Wires. I'll just skip the survey though since it's exactly like you said. But it's also such a mysterious event after it, here's why:
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Then we fucking have this:
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That aside, it is Wires that restores his memories. But the overall move to have Noriko deliver him the letters, and her school falling into the abyss (which is where Pareidolia lives presumably - and from where he pretends to be Wires. I also don't know where exactly the school fell into, knowing that would be nice) is likely to be Pareidolia's scheme, as he's the only one that benefits from it. That's what I meant.

I did overlook Wires presence there though, so thanks for that. I'm very curious about his intentions, as I can barely pinpoint when it was him during the game. He restores Akira's memories, he sends Noodles to observe the aftermath, and then has Noodles again watching the Sekai restoration. What does he gain from any of this? I'd be willing to assume he's just observing in case he has to prevent the world being broken, but that he led Akira to the writer's room with Nao-chan seems to suggest some form of agenda. I just don't know.
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>Survey
Anyone who didnt pick Callous is an opp

>Young Akira event
Now this is...perplexing to say the least.On one hand there is Moonflares stance that this flashback(?) confirms 2 things.Akira did in fact inherit Yuus psycosis and B)Akira saw his future self.While i agree with the former the latter is too...supernatural for my taste.The only possible explanation i have for the latter is that Akira now is may be similar to yuu but even then Sekai would say smt partaining to that so meh.I agree about A though.

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Oh boy.Oh boy oh boy oh boy.This event,my god.I believe that THIS specific moment that Moonflare provided is one of the biggest moments of foreshadowing that weve seen until now in the game.There is NO fucking way that someone that act this similar to Sekai has pure intentions.And yes while i love Noriko with this event Mayas words have a lot more weight.So excited.
 
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Moonflare said:
This is a post regarding a possible hint to the identity of the narrator at "Miserably Ever After". Maya says this regarding Noriko recovering Akira's memories:
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Well, we surmise that Noriko recovering his memories was a plan orchestrated by someone, most likely Pareidolia with the help of Himawari. Then, fast-forward to chapter 4, keep in mind the "like you're an animal in a fucking zoo".
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Well, we know that the ninth god is in league with Pareidolia. On one hand we have the idea of treating him like a zoo animal, and according to Maya, that includes feeding him memories as they need him to remember something. On the other:
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Could it be that the narrator is employing the same strategy as Maya? Instead of treating Akira like a zoo animal, she's trying to have him do it by himself. Maya tried to have him recover his memories by himself and that failed. Narrator tries to have him exit auto-pilot to deal with it himself, and that fails. It's the same logic behind both decisions - and both are linked to a refusal of treating him like a zoo animal.

As to the narrator's experience with Wires, I draw a blank there. Himawari has a confimed relation to Wires insofar as she's seen with Noodles during Glued to the Sky.
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Potentially, Maya has an ever greater relation to Wires given that she can't go to the old district, she seems to recognize Wires during "Scary Room" (even if it isn't Wires, it was masquerading as him), and it could be the god she prays to during resets (unless it's NAO).

Anyway, mainly I noticed the zoo animal thing. It could point out to the narrator of "Miserably Ever After" being Maya.
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Another thing that connects Maya to the Wire God, is that she is the techy one. The one that compared resets and memory alterations to a hard drive/computer.
Also Akira said that Maya told him "about some weird computer god" afair.

I wonder if it is a coincidence that she is a shrine maiden. Or if it is on purpose.
 
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Antosha said:
Yup. Yumi isn't lewd-able... yet. Neither is her mother Yuki. According to Selebus, they'll all be. Eventually. But we're way less than half-way into the game at this point.

The characters with a lust stat currently are:
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You also get to watch Wakana and Osako get freaky a couple of times, and in the most recent update, you can fool around a bit with poor Imani. And if you're a really horrible person, you get to fuck a completely uninterested Io, who's just been telling you about the damage her mother's sexual abuse did to her, in one of the least sexy sex scenes ever.

Also, an update or so back, there's the Nodokathon, a bizarre sequence where a bunch of the girls "compete" in various sexual games. It's bizarre mostly because it's hard to believe that any of the girls involved — Makoto, Noriko, Rin, Molly, Kirin, and Sana — would trust Nodoka at all in that moment... But that's a story for another day. :)

ETA: Oh! And how could I ever forget Maya! :cry:

ETAx2: There's also some girls who have gallery scenes that are kinda sexual — Touka and Chika (who're both drunk off their asses) show Akira their tits; and — in yet another completely unsexy sex-ish scene — Nodoka blackmails Yumi into strippoing and masturbating in front of her and Akira.. And many of the "Happy" scenes feature acts that look vaguely like sex.
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The amount of hidden text in this message is making me think of [REDACTED] and ████ from the SCP.
 
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BlackDays said:
Another thing that connects Maya to the Wire God, is that she is the techy one. The one that compared resets and memory alterations to a hard drive/computer.
Also Akira said that Maya told him "about some weird computer god" afair.

I wonder if it is a coincidence that she is a shrine maiden. Or if it is on purpose.
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Not me hinting that WIRES has replaced Maya for Ayane for a long time
 
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Maybe? lmao.But yea the gist is that tsubakis family created a cult to reach the wishing well
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I thought about this for a long time now.
Both Silent Hill and Kumonmi have this other world happenings.
Both "cities" are secluded and can't be left until the end.
Those who are trapped have to face their problems/sins, even those of other people.
And the list could go on i'm sure.

But it was until one of the girls mentioned that "people have spoken like yasu too, a long time ago" that that idea of Silent Hill came back.
Because it sounds like, as you also seem to get the impression, that their might be some kind of cult working in the background.
In Silent Hill some cult was directly or indirectly responsible for all the stuff that went down in the games.
Maybe in Kumonmi there's also a cult involved that has been there for a long time, that was into worshipping incest, weird deities and whatnot.
Akiras family, Saras family and even more could be descendent of said cult.

Though, this is really one of my more loose theories and only gained some weight from that sentence about Yasu lately.
 
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