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Well, its literally multiple million words long, so its a heck of a read, that's for sure. As for the creator, he got into a beef with this website, so he's gone from here, and the game doesn't show live updates anymore. His Patreon got nuked a long while back for various reasons, so if you want to see the official release, its on Subscribestar. He's a turbo douche, but he is a good writer and very devoted to his work. Here, we separate the art from the artist. Very few here like him as a person, but most, if not all of us, respect his artistry.
oh my, may i ask what he did? The last time I saw a strained relationship between F95 players and a developer was with the creator of Twisted World. He originally spent two years seriously working on the game(and is very good), the content had progressed to version 0.7. But despite protests from most players, they launched a Twisted World remake to rake in easy money on several subscription platforms. A year later, the remake is still stuck at version 0.15, plagued with issues like deceptive updates and negative feedback about the whole reset.

When I downloaded LIL, I skimmed through the first few pages of the post and noticed how actively the creator interacts with players. I thought he’d be really friendly within the fanbase… oops
 
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oh my, may i ask what he did? The last time I saw a strained relationship between F95 players and a developer was with the creator of Twisted World. He originally spent two years seriously working on the game(and is very good), the content had progressed to version 0.7. But despite protests from most players, they launched a Twisted World remake to rake in easy money on several subscription platforms. A year later, the remake is still stuck at version 0.15, plagued with issues like deceptive updates and negative feedback about the whole reset.

When I downloaded LIL, I skimmed through the first few pages of the post and noticed how actively the creator interacts with players. I thought he’d be really friendly within the fanbase… oops
He used to be chill and helpful. But then things got weird. Money changes people. Hatred of piracy, attempting to get the game taken off the site through nonsense means and going against TOS. Creating DRM to wipe people's saves and generally being a massive dick. Its a long story, but basically it comes down to a massive ego and hatred for those that actually play his game. I wouldn't worry about it, but there's lots of posts about it and folks here who know better than I do.

Basically, however big you think an ego can be, you're wrong; it can be bigger. Ultimately, it seems to have hamstrung his overall growth and monetary potential, but either way, we try to ignore the asshole and embrace the artist ;p

EDIT: Which reminds me: if you plan on doing anything with the "Care Packages," please read about the DRM on them carefully on the first page post. It WILL wipe your saves if you mess up, and it absolutely is NOT worth the content.
 

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Thanks, man! I’ve started playing for a bit now, and I’m really into the overall vibe and writing. No worries—I’m fully committed to diving into it. (Though, I did accidentally stumble across some pretty creepy screenshots while scrolling the thread, but hey, still within my tolerance!) Lately, I’ve been playing a lot of super lighthearted and comedic harem games in this genre, so this feels like a refreshing change of pace.
That refreshing change of pace is about to hit you as bad as Ezio from AC2 went from a carefree boy to having most of his family killed in the first act of the game. If you can handle that whiplash, you might get hopelessly addicted to the game.

Also, I gotta say, your response time is insane! On other posts, I’d probably wait like 10 hours for a single reply. Super impressed and grateful for that! I’ll definitely stick around and chat with everyone here.

(By the way, did the creator’s Patreon shut down? Is F95 the only place to interact with he now? I really respect devs who pour their heart into their games.)
lmao, mere hours into finding the thread and you found some of the biggest drama. The dev got themselves banned from here, the game has been promotion banned so they don't get most of the audience searching the updates queue finding and supporting the subscribestar that Selebus uses because the content of the game got too 'spicy' for Patreon to handle (and it's only gotten 'worse' from there)

If you ever like the game enough to download the care packages, don't install them into the game. The dev's final act to get the game shadowbanned was adding save deleting DRM to the game if it detects pirated care packages. If you like the game enough to go down the rabbit hole, you should merely read the scripts of the downloaded files, then look at the pictures / videos if relevant.

care packages and bonus animations can be full of spoilers, they assume you were fully up to date at their points of release
 

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That refreshing change of pace is about to hit you as bad as Ezio from AC2 went from a carefree boy to having most of his family killed in the first act of the game. If you can handle that whiplash, you might get hopelessly addicted to the game.


lmao, mere hours into finding the thread and you found some of the biggest drama. The dev got themselves banned from here, the game has been promotion banned so they don't get most of the audience searching the updates queue finding and supporting the subscribestar that Selebus uses because the content of the game got too 'spicy' for Patreon to handle (and it's only gotten 'worse' from there)

If you ever like the game enough to download the care packages, don't install them into the game. The dev's final act to get the game shadowbanned was adding save deleting DRM to the game if it detects pirated care packages. If you like the game enough to go down the rabbit hole, you should merely read the scripts of the downloaded files, then look at the pictures / videos if relevant.

care packages and bonus animations can be full of spoilers, they assume you were fully up to date at their points of release
Thanks, bro! I tried installing the guide and the black style mod, then started waiting for the game to launch god... I think I’ll just reinstall the game instead.
 
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Thanks, bro! I tried installing the guide and the black style mod, then started waiting for the game to launch god... I think I’ll just reinstall the game instead.
oh shit are they ban for the Loli issue? i thought high school girls are not loli anymore
 

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oh shit are they ban for the Loli issue? i thought high school girls are not loli anymore
They never got an outright answer to what got it banned, but Sel gussed it was a scene where the MC may have sexually assaulted a drunk passed out high schooler. And there is definitely a scene people say is worse now.

That said there are a few (5000 year old) 'wizards' in the game and content is planned for them, maybe within a year. There's also a scene where a shota was molested by an adult female.
 
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oh shit are they ban for the Loli issue? i thought high school girls are not loli anymore
No, they tried to get the game banned for the Loli issue, but it wasn't a thing. They pissed the mods off by being a dick about the forum rules. It isn't about the content in the game. Its about harassing the forum and being a dick. And the final straw was the DRM erasing peoples saves. You could try using the thread search function to search for "Selebus" and "banned" or other related terms, and there's lots of posts about it. The game's content isn't the issue. The creator is the issue, sadly. Hence my previous comments about separating artist from art.
 

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No, they tried to get the game banned for the Loli issue, but it wasn't a thing. They pissed the mods off by being a dick about the forum rules. It isn't about the content in the game. Its about harassing the forum and being a dick. And the final straw was the DRM erasing peoples saves. You could try using the thread search function to search for "Selebus" and "banned" or other related terms, and there's lots of posts about it. The game's content isn't the issue. The creator is the issue, sadly. Hence my previous comments about separating artist from art.
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No, they tried to get the game banned for the Loli issue, but it wasn't a thing. They pissed the mods off by being a dick about the forum rules. It isn't about the content in the game. Its about harassing the forum and being a dick. And the final straw was the DRM erasing peoples saves. You could try using the thread search function to search for "Selebus" and "banned" or other related terms, and there's lots of posts about it. The game's content isn't the issue. The creator is the issue, sadly. Hence my previous comments about separating artist from art.
Ah, I see... Well, no worries, thanks for always answering my questions with such enthusiasm, it really made my gaming experience much better! Even though English isn’t my first language, I’ve really enjoyed interacting with you all. I’m planning to finish my paper and then continue playing. I’ve noticed that after using mtool to launch the game, it’s much faster now—only takes about a minute to start, though it still feels a bit slow.

So, if I just play normally without downloading any extra installation packages, my save files should be safe, right? Also, I’ve seen some people mention that the game requires a lot of saving. Does this game really have overly complex branching paths that require constant saving? Is there a chance that a single wrong choice could lead to an irreversible bad ending?
 
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They never got an outright answer to what got it banned, but Sel gussed it was a scene where the MC may have sexually assaulted a drunk passed out high schooler. And there is definitely a scene people say is worse now.

That said there are a few (5000 year old) 'wizards' in the game and content is planned for them, maybe within a year. There's also a scene where a shota was molested by an adult female.
So there is actually femdom content...but considering that it is an adult woman sexually assaulting a boy, it seems to be far different from what is acceptable to the public...At the current stage of my game, I feel that the MC is pretty good so far.
Did he violate the girl out of his own will? Probably wouldn't be surprised in other related visual novels, but considering this is a high school teacher and some teenage girls...
? ? ? Kinda shock....
 
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So, if I just play normally without downloading any extra installation packages, my save files should be safe, right? Also, I’ve seen some people mention that the game requires a lot of saving. Does this game really have overly complex branching paths that require constant saving? Is there a chance that a single wrong choice could lead to an irreversible bad ending?
A single wrong choice could affect the ending, for sure, but we're years from a final product, so there's no way to know yet for sure. I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.

So there is actually femdom content...but considering that it is an adult woman sexually assaulting a boy, it seems to be far different from what is acceptable to the public...At the current stage of my game, I feel that the MC is pretty good so far.
Did he violate the girl out of his own will? Probably wouldn't be surprised in other related visual novels, but considering this is a high school teacher and some teenage girls...
? ? ? Kinda shock....
There is a LOT of non-consensual acts in this game, so definitely be aware of that going forward. As for who is in control of whom when such acts occur, that is still up for debate. But I don't want to spoil anything else.
 

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A single wrong choice could affect the ending, for sure, but we're years from a final product, so there's no way to know yet for sure. I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.


There is a LOT of non-consensual acts in this game, so definitely be aware of that going forward. As for who is in control of whom when such acts occur, that is still up for debate. But I don't want to spoil anything else.
A single wrong choice could affect the ending, for sure, but we're years from a final product, so there's no way to know yet for sure. I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.


There is a LOT of non-consensual acts in this game, so definitely be aware of that going forward. As for who is in control of whom when such acts occur, that is still up for debate. But I don't want to spoil anything else.
well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)
 

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A single wrong choice could affect the ending, for sure, but we're years from a final product, so there's no way to know yet for sure. I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.


There is a LOT of non-consensual acts in this game, so definitely be aware of that going forward. As for who is in control of whom when such acts occur, that is still up for debate. But I don't want to spoil anything else.
A single wrong choice could affect the ending, for sure, but we're years from a final product, so there's no way to know yet for sure. I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.


There is a LOT of non-consensual acts in this game, so definitely be aware of that going forward. As for who is in control of whom when such acts occur, that is still up for debate. But I don't want to spoil anything else.
I was a bit shocked earlier, but I think it’s time to explore it seriously. So, DRM is not something that necessarily has to be downloaded and used, right? Do those extra contents affect the main storyline of the game in any way?
 
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well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)
Again, I don't want to spoil, so I'll say this:

LiL is a game about a seriously fucked up person trying to deal with incomprehensible trauma, and his successes and failures. I can't tell you how to judge him or any other character in the game, but that's the point. It asks questions. It asks questions that are hard and uncomfortable and fucked up. But that's the point, in many ways.

Is sensei a good person: objectively, no, he is not. Is he trying to get better and find better morals? Probably? I mean, that's part of the question the game asks. It isn't a light game in any way, and it isn't for anyone that isn't ready to tackle questions that are generally too divisive for most media.

But that is part of the beauty of LiL. Its asking questions that are usually hidden and censored and watered down. And its messy and uncomfortable and some scenes will make you grimace at having to make a choice! And if that isn't your jam, more power to you! But if you want to confront situations that will legitimately make even the most calloused person take pause, then proceed forward. But never feel bad for saying "This is my limit, I'm done with this." either.

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I was a bit shocked earlier, but I think it’s time to explore it seriously. So, DRM is not something that necessarily has to be downloaded and used, right? Do those extra contents affect the main storyline of the game in any way?
Care Packages are basically non-cannon extras, and if you don't install them into your LiL folder, they won't fuck up anything. If you go through all the content in the base game, and want a few extra tidbits, just download them and open them in a separate folder and check out the contents.
 
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Again, I don't want to spoil, so I'll say this:

LiL is a game about a seriously fucked up person trying to deal with incomprehensible trauma, and his successes and failures. I can't tell you how to judge him or any other character in the game, but that's the point. It asks questions. It asks questions that are hard and uncomfortable and fucked up. But that's the point, in many ways.

Is sensei a good person: objectively, no, he is not. Is he trying to get better and find better morals? Probably? I mean, that's part of the question the game asks. It isn't a light game in any way, and it isn't for anyone that isn't ready to tackle questions that are generally too divisive for most media.

But that is part of the beauty of LiL. Its asking questions that are usually hidden and censored and watered down. And its messy and uncomfortable and some scenes will make you grimace at having to make a choice! And if that isn't your jam, more power to you! But if you want to confront situations that will legitimately make even the most calloused person take pause, then proceed forward. But never feel bad for saying "This is my limit, I'm done with this." either.

EDIT:

Care Packages are basically non-cannon extras, and if you don't install them into your LiL folder, they won't fuck up anything. If you go through all the content in the base game, and want a few extra tidbits, just download them and open them in a separate folder and check out the contents.
Once again, thanks very much for introducing the game. I will see and continue to play with all my curiosity. If I manage to immerse myself in it, we will meet again! lucky to have discovered such a special game, and I’m sure I will gain the results I’m looking for.
 
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Once again, thanks very much for introducing the game. I will see and continue to play with all my curiosity. If I manage to immerse myself in it, we will meet again! lucky to have discovered such a special game, and I’m sure I will gain the results I’m looking for.
Good luck on your journey. If it clicks, awesome. If not, then good hunting for the next game that can bring you some measure of good times. I'm sorry I couldn't provide more useful feedback, but spoiling this game would be a disservice, so I hope that my input was at least helpful in some regard.
 
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well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)
One of the strengths of this game is how it leverages the fact that the reader is separate from the MC. To answer this question rigorously we'd have to agree on definitions for identity and agency, and how those two relate with fiction and the telling of narrative. He's definitely not a good person, but whether or not that has and will always be is a point of conention as we await future chapters. If you chose to continue to play this game, be mindful of the speaker of a given textbox. The narration often alludes to having a specific speaker, but the game won't flat out tell who is talking, or to whom the narration is directed towards.
You have choices that lock you out of scenes, but this game is ultimately a linear experience; the missed paths don't change the destination.
 
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One of the strengths of this game is how it leverages the fact that the reader is separate from the MC. To answer this question rigorously we'd have to agree on definitions for identity and agency, and how those two relate with fiction and the telling of narrative. He's definitely not a good person, but whether or not that has and will always be is a point of conention as we await future chapters. If you chose to continue to play this game, be mindful of the speaker of a given textbox. The narration often alludes to having a specific speaker, but the game won't flat out tell who is talking, or to whom the narration is directed towards.
You have choices that lock you out of scenes/paths, but this game is ultimately a linear experience; the missed paths don't change the destination.
So this game isn’t about allowing players to fully play as the main character, right? The narration isn’t only directed at the main character but also communicates with the player? Considering the large amount of text in this game, if it’s one with frequent branching paths, it might indeed be difficult to play. Having a clear main storyline is definitely a good thing for me. (y)
 
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So this game isn’t about allowing players to fully play as the main character, right? The narration isn’t only directed at the main character but also communicates with the player? Considering the large amount of text in this game, if it’s one with frequent branching paths, it might indeed be difficult to play. Having a clear main storyline is definitely a good thing for me. (y)
Not quite. There are no branching paths in the way vns use that term. The player can influence certain choices, which prevent some events from being viewed, but these do not cause a split / branch in paths. The fandom likes to say there are only two paths, "Green path" which means seeing all events, and "Red Path" which means missing a couple here and there.

Even so, I would struggle to describe this game's storyline as "clear". The complexity of the story is due to how it's written and the content within, not any player choices. You can't make MC any more of a bad person than he already is, but you can't make him a good boy either.
 
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well......do you think the main character of this game is more of a person with kind and correct values, or someone whose thoughts are heavily influenced by desire? What is their sense of morality like? I hope MC won’t ignore the player’s choices and hurt other female characters (hopefully)
At the start of the game, he wakes up in a teacher's body and decides he wants to fuck all 10 teenage students in his class. He tries to be a good person about it, but that is a disgusting goal. The results of this goal and his attitude about it is compelling to start with, and eventually drama happens and it becomes enthralling to read.

Sensei doesn't ignore you too much when he gives you a choice, but he rarely gives you a choice. You will get frustrated at him being stupid, but he's only in his situation in the first place because he's that stupid.


Did he violate the girl out of his own will?
Because you've said it's important for you to know I would say No, something did affect his will. Sensei is not innocent though. The game puts a similar choice in your hands later on in the game.

The developer understands there's a line of what's socially acceptable and what's not at the start of the game, and pushes that line further back the longer the story is told.

Does this game really have overly complex branching paths that require constant saving? Is there a chance that a single wrong choice could lead to an irreversible bad ending?
You should use the guide mod, and maybe save a decent amount. I basically save whenever I think a important choice is happening that the hint mod hasn't told me results in missing events. If you don't make backups like this, you can lose time every now and then. If you do lose progress like this and the save isn't that old, you can just turn on text skip and get back decently quickly.

There is no ending yet, but certain choices will make you miss events and you can't get them back, you'd have to load an old save. We call seeing all the events the green path, we've been told that there will be always a way to see every event, and missing any events is called red path.

If you stay on the green path, you will make bad and worse choices. But there are hints during the game that people have to be broken before they can be made better than ever. Some red choices will make you feel good in the short term, but you can notice some weird things in the dialogue afterward. We don't know for sure if people will get punished for missing events, but the developer has made similar choices before and punished you for them every time so there's a pattern to learn from.The update that came out two weeks ago had a lot of events that only show up if you were still on the green path. Missing those bonus events turns the update into a boring one so I think it's still important.

I think you'll like the game long enough to decide whether you want to keep playing it. I told you about the scene with the shota and you didn't immediately run away, so I think you can figure out whether the game gets too dark for you or not, and that your time wasn't completely wasted if you do make that choice.
 
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