Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Reiyayru]

You slow your roll and milk your audience when you run out of ideas. Sel has pretty excitedly talked about remaking (and finishing this time) Nothing is Beautiful after LiL is completed, and has teased a 3rd game set in the LiL paradigm, so he's got the ideas for stuff to do after this is done -- and since it's all interconnected, odds are good his audience will happily stick around for it.

What his audience has routinely demonstrated, however, is that slower updates will not fly. Every time he takes a break, he has to scramble to get his subs back to where they had been. So it's unlikely he'll fall into the milking trap.

That's been the impression I've gotten from the third hand accounts of people's interactions with Sel, but like the dev I talked about he had the same thing. Loved the game he was making, talked about it all the time, refused to hire any help cause he didn't trust anyone could do his vision right (Did that once and it screwed things for a while), made previews, pictures, animations, updates and info constantly being put out. He went over drive on the original and you could see how much he enjoyed it till the last update.

Then he wanted to do a remake, he said he needed the year to work on it so it could be put out faster, then 6 months into the year, and I think this is where the difference is, his most die hard yes men fans kept his pocket lined, after 1 year when he was suppose to release the prolouge, didn't and based on what people who were on his discord were saying before being removed cause they wanted to know what was going on with the update he changed, focused on his subs more, released trickling updates, barely any animations, bragged that he was making more then doctors in his country and seemed fine with only releasing so far 2/3s of the prolouge after 1 year in development and almost 1 year with him 'working on it' getting rid of anyone who questioned him or accused him of purposely taking his time to get as much money as he could.

The thing as well is this isn't a unique story, I've seen many devs who went big, made bank who were passionate and loved their game, cast it too the wayside when enough money was involved, and while there's a high chance Sel wouldn't do it, the chance isn't 100%

 

[Moonflare]

This is closer to what I'm betting on. Still need to complete a playthrough before I settle on things.

So what you guys are saying is that Ami is daughter mk.1 (the one made through oldschool normal reproduction with a human female);

but then in an alternate timeline we have Maya - daughter mk.2 (the one made through virgin birth without a human female, but instead through good old fishing a fallen god out of the wishing well);

and then we have in yet another timeline Himawari - daughter mk.3 (the one made through good oldschool normal reproduction with a human female but with a twist of skipping all her childhood and hopping back as a shapeshifting teenager from the future)?

Ami (red hair) - Maya - Himawari = the exact same person. So at the end of the day there's really only one narrator, and no ntr cause they're also the same person so at worst it's masturbation.

 

[Antosha]

I have yet another "interesting" item I noticed previously but have not seen anyone mention (did a search as well as go through several pages of posts after the update dropped).

In 35.0, best known as the "Death of Maya Prime" and "that fucking puzzle sucked" chapter, the opening event is Eggside Octopus. After the first black screen, with a patented pause starting it out, the dialog starts.

Spoiler: Eggside Octopus

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OK, I am used to some pretty pretentious dialog based on past events (always told by editors in my time playing reporter (granted, for a niche portion of what media folks would call the "playground" of newspapers) to use as few words as possible to tell the story properly - and we understand that is NOT happening, and has not been happening, in this story since Day 1).

While the story is over-written (big-time) it's still compelling (though an editor would come in handy lol). I also tend to over-write at times (like I am doing here) so take my (constructive) criticism for what it's worth!

But most of all of that previous pretentious dialog at least made SOME sense. This jibberish did not!

Spoiler: MOAR Eggside Octopus

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None of this makes logical sense just reading it as is, so there must be more to it, I thought.

And yes, there is! It's a (rather simple) "hidden" message to be gleaned but it most definitely foreshadows what was to come.

Figured someone would've mentioned it at some point - and apologies if someone already did - but nothing of value related to it appeared when searching the event name.

Have at it, code-breakers/lore lovers.

Spoiler: LOL

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I don’t think it’s a code, per se. I think it’s a stream of consciousness set of analogies. Ten Easters=10 years, maybe? Thornbush ideals≈10 commandments=conventional morality. That sort of thing.

I guess it struck me more like James Joyce than John Le Carré.

And I’m too tired for either, tbh.

 

[shmurfer]

So what you guys are saying is that Ami is daughter mk.1 (the one made through oldschool normal reproduction with a human female);

but then in an alternate timeline we have Maya - daughter mk.2 (the one made through virgin birth without a human female, but instead through good old fishing a fallen god out of the wishing well);

and then we have in yet another timeline Himawari - daughter mk.3 (the one made through good oldschool normal reproduction with a human female but with a twist of skipping all her childhood and hopping back as a shapeshifting teenager from the future)?

Ami (red hair) - Maya - Himawari = the exact same person. So at the end of the day there's really only one narrator, and no ntr cause they're also the same person so at best it's masturbation.

Vaguely what I'm thinking of is Ami and Maya are split from the same being (the lover from the legends) which is where part of their dynamic is coming from. I'm not willing to put anything harder forth until I experience the lore myself instead of taking it second hand like I've been doing for the past few months.


Me thinking Nu Maya just got reset too and is amiokay is part of it too, but I'll find out how much of that works after the next update if we get to know whether nu maya still exists or if we have a new blank slate. So far from what I've experienced amiokay is a maya that understands there is another maya which is the revelation she had in 0.45

 

[JelF547]

Spoiler: Fuck(ing) Otoha

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No, this is how you

Spoiler: fuck Otoha

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[shmurfer]

So far from what I've experienced amiokay is a maya that understands there is another maya which is the revelation she had in 0.45

The moment from 0.45 that's got me thinking about it is when they brought up (alongside the ntr that has plagued this thread already) the specific mention of why Maya's hair looks the way it does despite starting halloween in a cosplay hairstyle.

Spoiler: And why is Maya’s hair no longer styled the way it was earlier?

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If this Maya is sent to be tortured in the happy events because Prime Ami is angry at her, it would have to be a body with the hairstyle that appears in the happy events. Most of amiokays appearances have her hair tied up, but at least one doesn't seem to (when she's in the fuck machine and it's all greyscale)


While grabbing that screenshot I thought I'd test something too. The fastest way to get the alexis happy event would be having a save that can access "Right as Rain" in a replay and just putting text skip on. Even in the replay it will correctly set the alexisisreal flag. Then having a real save that's going through the great paredolia mall and looking for the mcdongles or whatever it is.

 

[givemeabeer]

So it remains a big mystery to this day:

Spoiler: What was

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Who was the little girl with not pink hair that hung around Akira's house in the old district? (at the time that Sekai was still alive) - I mean, it can only be Maya, right? But he only met Maya after Sekai died, so which Maya was it? Maybe it was the Maya that was conjured up to change the timeline? Narrator Maya or something?

The other possibility, obviously, is that it was a different Noriko. Meaning that the current Niki and Noriko are fakes, including the pink hair, and that there were other Niki and Noriko in the original timeline. Don't know about that though, because Niki existed with pink hair in the Sekai gets married with Akira timeline... and she had pink hair then.

Could it be one of the Arakawa possible bastards? Sana, Nodoka, Rin? But why would they be in Akira's family home in the first place? Rin would be in an orphanage, so not her. Hard to imagine Sana being there by herself even if Nozomu brought her... Why wouldn't Shota be there too? Maybe Nodoka?
Edit: unrelated, but if this isn't such a huge slap in the face for Niki on their first meeting:

Spoiler: What was

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Makoto's picture really is the gift that keeps on giving Yeah, I don't like Niki, she's too overbearing for me. As a character she's fine, I mean for me personally.

I think you're overthinking it... Because Rin have become blonde in the last chapter.
So that may indeed be the same person Ami think off, but with a wig, or another hair color.

And since everyone with colorful hair was bald (if my memory serve me well... thing I'm not so sure anymore, so maybe I'm wrong) down there, there's no proof about the «naturalness» of Niki's pink hair.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

That's been the impression I've gotten from the third hand accounts of people's interactions with Sel, but like the dev I talked about he had the same thing. Loved the game he was making, talked about it all the time, refused to hire any help cause he didn't trust anyone could do his vision right (Did that once and it screwed things for a while), made previews, pictures, animations, updates and info constantly being put out. He went over drive on the original and you could see how much he enjoyed it till the last update.

Then he wanted to do a remake, he said he needed the year to work on it so it could be put out faster, then 6 months into the year, and I think this is where the difference is, his most die hard yes men fans kept his pocket lined, after 1 year when he was suppose to release the prolouge, didn't and based on what people who were on his discord were saying before being removed cause they wanted to know what was going on with the update he changed, focused on his subs more, released trickling updates, barely any animations, bragged that he was making more then doctors in his country and seemed fine with only releasing so far 2/3s of the prolouge after 1 year in development and almost 1 year with him 'working on it' getting rid of anyone who questioned him or accused him of purposely taking his time to get as much money as he could.

The thing as well is this isn't a unique story, I've seen many devs who went big, made bank who were passionate and loved their game, cast it too the wayside when enough money was involved, and while there's a high chance Sel wouldn't do it, the chance isn't 100%

I can guarantee you, Lessons In Love will 100% reach its conclusion without any big delays (this doesnt include purity routes but they too will most likely be there)
The story is almost complete and all he needs to work on is to piece everything and do the renders and shit, I wouldn't worry if I were you. Selebus might be a prideful asshole, but he isn't the type of guy that would go the Crab Games path.

As for the other projects, I dont really know or care about them xd

 

[Budoop]

Replaying the game makes me really miss the old Chika. Of course she wasn't perfect, but at the very least she had her heart at the right place and was actually sane.

Spoiler: Still, the irony...

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She was genuinely top tier before this event, poor girl doesn't deserve any of this.

 

[VoidExile]

Congratulations. Now you have experienced the true Brony experience.


Actually, it should be "OH YES!".


Oh, she's not in the "Bad girl" tier anymore?

Remind me to never become a brony. It won't exactly be hard not to become one but just in case.

Don't think I have wrote "oh yes" even once. Maybe I forgot you could do that, or I forgot to be optimistic.

Kirin became a literal bad girl now... But I don't have the heart to put her any lower for now. Like seriously, she could have avoided this fate if she didn't bully a girl on top (no puns intended)

 

[lolzmandude]

well.. I guess this is what I've come back for... after a break of playing some slightly more wholesome games I'm back in hell where the only correct choice is to not play but I'm playing anyway because I apparently have complete disregard for my own or the characters collective sanity.

 

[lolzmandude]

THEY AGREE WITH ME

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Trying to figure out who is Sensei offspring in a nutshell

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[Antosha]

Spoiler: Trying to figure out who is Sensei offspring in a nutshell

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As someone with dark brown hair (once upon a time) married to a strawberry blonde (ditto), with two kids with chestnut hair…

Back off, Hamburgler!

 

[lolzmandude]

please... I beg you, don't do this, please don't hurt her nooooo USER 2 YOU FUCK

 

[lolzmandude]

well... Halloween two is done and so far for me Sensei might be the number 1 contender for being the most broken. Maya is also very much a contender for the number 1 spot for being broken but I still have much to learn and more people to inevitably break. I'm very scared.

 

[crustlord12]

... saved by the bell? mostly? I'm scared

While I'm sure a lot of us are glad you're enjoying the game, just randomly posting about events from years ago with 0 context doesn't do much but gum up the thread with clutter and bother the old heads. I would personally appreciate it, as would others, if you posted more like VoidExile - they're doing it the right way by putting their thoughts in a single post, with a spoiler drop down, and with context.

 

[lolzmandude]

While I'm sure a lot of us are glad you're enjoying the game, just randomly posting about events from years ago with 0 context doesn't do much but gum up the thread with clutter and bother the old heads. I would personally appreciate it, as would others, if you posted more like VoidExile - they're doing it the right way by putting their thoughts in a single post, with a spoiler drop down, and with context.

fair, also I'm gonna be real. I have no idea how to spoiler stuff or hide it like that with the button or whatever. I'm kind of an idiot and don't have the brain capacity to look it up on my own.

It might already be kinda apparent but when I get emotional I seem to also become quite a bit more irrational which leads into me just pushing my thoughts into the ether in some vain hope, probably desperate for attention.

I get it though and I've deleted I think a few of some of my more nothing posts when I realize it's just nothing. I'm trying, and yeah maybe just.. making one post like that would be for the best if I knew.

 

[Hrdo]

Guys, i'm stuck on a time loop after founding maya on a cross and her handjob. I already found the happy event on the soccer field where i fuck a watermelon and followed maya in a shed.

 

[hernestojavier621]

Guys, i'm stuck on a time loop after founding maya on a cross and her handjob. I already found the happy event on the soccer field where i fuck a watermelon and followed maya in a shed.

Go to the shrine like seven times or so and then go to school. Next time check the puzzle guide that's on page 1 of this thread.