Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Trapstar102]

I'm going to say that, from a narrative point of view, the sex (rather than the pr0n) is central to the plot. In a lot of ways, Selebus is taking us on a deconstruction of the whole H-game mindset: If it moves, I fuck it. Sensei starts literally thinking of this as a harem game — and even as he continues to rack up the affection points, lust points, and virginities, the girls actually manage to make him (and us) care, and care deeply. Even crazies like Kirin and Ami — since it feels as if they become monsters (as opposed simply to very messed up young women, like the rest) in response to Sensei's actions. Which he can't seem to control. I'm watching him continue to stalk characters like Chika and Sana, who seem genuinely sweet, with a combination of fascination and horror. I know it won't end well. He knows it won't end well. But I can't seem to turn away any more than he can.

I don't think that this game would have the same impact without that journey, from Sensei treating the other characters as low-level AI to treating them as wounded human beings — but still deepening their wounds.

Nah I feel as tho the sex is just put there to grab folks faster than any other approach, but again judging by how every has been receiving the game throughout this entire process, it seems it was unnecessary. Everyone here is still praising the game and even saying the sex is something they skip past.

You can just imply alot of what happens and just go from there without even needing the sex or show it since it seems to be the low point for alot of people on these forums. In some instances, this could have been put on a higher platform if you took the sex out entirely.

 

[SecretUser95]

I'm sitting here thinking why couldn't the game be like some doki doki literature type shit without the porn since everyone is praising the story and having the lewds take a backseat. At this point, the game could have just been a non-h and still would receive the success it has since there are NON-H games on this site anyway.

The H scenes are important specifically because it's like DDLC. This game is a denpa, like DDLC. DDLC comes at you pretending it's a dating sim, then boom, horror, this game comes at you pretending it's only an eroge, then boom, horror.

Also, the sex actually has plot relevance here. See Makoto, Ami, Ayane.

 

[mannice431]

The H scenes are important specifically because it's like DDLC. This game is a denpa, like DDLC. DDLC comes at you pretending it's a dating sim, then boom, horror, this game comes at you pretending it's only an eroge, then boom, horror.

Also, the sex actually has plot relevance here. See Makoto, Ami, Ayane.

The sex stuff is too deeply entwined with the story for it to be considered superfluous, again, this game is taking the idea of the harem genre and just twisting into the most grotesque and dark form it can.

Most of what goes wrong for Sensei is a direct result of him sticking his dick into every hole regardless of circumstances, we're kind of bystanders in the whole affair but generally speaking we act like Sensei when we play most harem games, the twist here is that they're not just sock puppets that revolve around Sensei, they have feelings, dreams, hopes and aspirations and the personal drama that surges from that and an amoral MC is what drives the plot.

 

[The green one]

No more.

Nice.

 

[Lolicon Kami]

ya my bad kind of lost it havent been to bed yet although no excuse for way i acted there..anyways so is there a way to disable what ever it is that causes the game to go all funky?wish i knew about it before i started playing id of skipped this game entirely
but after playing for as long and as much as i have i been having fun so...

Sorry for being too harsh. I myself was in a bad mood.

What's the problem? There's a couple of options within the game where you can only select one choice, or produces the same outcome regardless of what choice you do.

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Also, here's my

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that tracks every in-game choice you could have made, in case you lost progress. Sorry I couldn't make it a zip file, but just download the entire folder It's 100% complete as of the latest public version, v0.18 Part 1 (not part two). I'm a completionist so I did all lust events (some of which may not be your cup of tea) and was a good homie for Rin which means...

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Also, Dorm 1 won for the newest Dorm Wars in my save; but depending on how you play it, you can make Dorm 2 win or make it a tie.

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[str8up]

Sorry for being too harsh. I myself was in a bad mood.

What's the problem? There's a couple of options within the game where you can only select one choice, or produces the same outcome regardless of what choice you do.

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Is there any other problem you find? If so, maybe you can check the

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, or install the guide mod made by cckerberos (shown below).



Also, here's my folder of saves that tracks every in-game choice you could have made, in case you lost progress. Sorry I couldn't make it a zip file, but just download the entire folder It's 100% complete as of the latest public version, v0.18 Part 1 (not part two). I'm a completionist so I did all lust events (some of which may not be your cup of tea) and was a good homie for Rin which means...

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Also, Dorm 1 won for the newest Dorm Wars in my save; but depending on how you play it, you can make Dorm 2 win or make it a tie.

And, here's a quick tip list I made for LiL:

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cool i appreciate all this i got my game backed up and gonna check all your stuff out and no hard feelings about your first comment as i had it coming to me for the way i posted in the first place was bound to happen sooner or later and if not by you someone for surely would have so yeah no big deal shit happens LOL
UPDATED: wow man thats A LOT OF FILES lol again i really do appreciate it ...looking at all you said its a pretty complicated game i guess..i can honestly tell you ive played many many many games on here and ive never seen anything like this one before...looks and sounds complicated as hell
my big fetish is pregnancy and not sure how to describe this BUT i like cheating ...dont like it when my girls cheat on me,etc BUT i like the vice a versa
i like sleeping with married chicks,etc ..stealing them if and when i can too...fun times when the husband knows haha...not even sure what that is its reverse NTR right?

 

[starlink12]

I'm going to say that, from a narrative point of view, the sex (rather than the pr0n) is central to the plot. In a lot of ways, Selebus is taking us on a deconstruction of the whole H-game mindset: If it moves, I fuck it. Sensei starts literally thinking of this as a harem game — and even as he continues to rack up the affection points, lust points, and virginities, the girls actually manage to make him (and us) care, and care deeply. Even crazies like Kirin and Ami — since it feels as if they become monsters (as opposed simply to very messed up young women, like the rest) in response to Sensei's actions. Which he can't seem to control. I'm watching him continue to stalk characters like Chika and Sana, who seem genuinely sweet, with a combination of fascination and horror. I know it won't end well. He knows it won't end well. But I can't seem to turn away any more than he can.

I don't think that this game would have the same impact without that journey, from Sensei treating the other characters as low-level AI to treating them as wounded human beings — but still deepening their wounds.

I agree, one of the many things Sel does really well is making us care about every character, such as loving Chika, being fascinated by Maya, adoring how cute Sana is, or hating Kirin for what she does. He makes the characters have an impact on you and you feel more invested because of it. I also love that Sensei acknowledges that everything will end poorly in his own monologue but continues on, and knowingly makes things worse, even as you can see him start to care for the girls more and more.

 

[str8up]

I agree, one of the many things Sel does really well is making us care about every character, such as loving Chika, being fascinated by Maya, adoring how cute Sana is, or hating Kirin for what she does. He makes the characters have an impact on you and you feel more invested because of it. I also love that Sensei acknowledges that everything will end poorly in his own monologue but continues on, and knowingly makes things worse, even as you can see him start to care for the girls more and more.

ya i enjoyed that too especially rins friend that works at the coffee shop or what ever (the married chick) was fun having my way with her and his thoughts as its happening,etc made me laugh out loud
what do i do with the DS_store file....do i drop that into saves also or where does that go ...game folder maybe?

 

[Lolicon Kami]

ya i enjoyed that too especially rins friend that works at the coffee shop or what eber (the married chick) was fun having my way with her and his thoughts as its happening,etc made me laugh out loud
what do i do with the DS_store file....do i drop that into saves also or where does that go ...game folder maybe?

Just delete that file. I don't know why; it automatically pops up whenever I back something onto google drive

 

[Trapstar102]

The H scenes are important specifically because it's like DDLC. This game is a denpa, like DDLC. DDLC comes at you pretending it's a dating sim, then boom, horror, this game comes at you pretending it's only an eroge, then boom, horror.

Also, the sex actually has plot relevance here. See Makoto, Ami, Ayane.

And that's what I mean by the porn. I'm not saying it' tacked on, but alot of those situations could have went either way just like Makoto and how he keeps her a bay before even deciding to do the deed.

The whole thing could have went another way without sex at all. Same thing with ami and Ayane, all could be waved away.

The sex isn't as deep as you could make it seem and it can be substituted with any other plot device.

Again with a game with very lil porn (Or what someone said like 10%) you can take it out entirely and it'll still keep it's core.

 

[str8up]

well this is interesting trying to find the renpy saves they SHOULD be here C:\Users\str8u\AppData\Roaming\RenPy
BUT they aint there so does this game only save in downloads folders then?

 

[Lolicon Kami]

well this is interesting trying to find the renpy saves they SHOULD be here C:\Users\str8u\AppData\Roaming\RenPy
BUT they aint there so does this game only save in downloads folders then?

The renpy save folder name for LiL is Test2-1577602671

Do you see that folder? For contextualization, it's the same name as the

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(Don't ask me why the folder's named that way, only God Selebus knows)

 

[El_Zane_123]

And that's what I mean by the porn. I'm not saying it' tacked on, but alot of those situations could have went either way just like Makoto and how he keeps her a bay before even deciding to do the deed.

The whole thing could have went another way without sex at all. Same thing with ami and Ayane, all could be waved away.

The sex isn't as deep as you could make it seem and it can be substituted with any other plot device.

Again with a game with very lil porn (Or what someone said like 10%) you can take it out entirely and it'll still keep it's core.

Personally, I have thought to myself several times why Selebus hasn't added an options switch in that does take out the H-Scenes if players so wish.

He himself doesn't want it to be seen as an Eroge, understandably, and I wish this masterpiece could be enjoyed by a broader audience without the negative connotations usually associated with H-Games.

A switch would work perfectly. The sex scenes sure do give some gravity to the situations hard to emulate by other plot devices so I do kinda agree with SecretUser95 that they shouldn't be left out completely, but they should be seriously gimped as an option.

That would probably only increase the average acceptance of this game and while most here really wouldn't miss the H-Scenes at all, keeping them as an option for those that do seems like a good compromise.

Only issue would be the extra effort needed to implement it well (cause you can't just not include them and can it a day, a lot of the scenes would need alternatives that imply the H-Scenes and the intimacy without actually showing it, that would require extra work, probs not too little...)

 

[str8up]

The renpy save folder name for LiL is Test2-1577602671

Do you see that folder? For contextualization, it's the same name as the folder I just uploaded

(Don't ask me why the folder's named that way, only God Selebus knows)

i guess i wasnt paying attention and missed the name...thanks tho its a weird name and more weird is i have other folders named test there as well ..learn something new everyday haha cheers bro
btw what number is your BEST save?did ya knock any of the girls up?

 

[Vizer007]

Personally, I have thought to myself several times why Selebus hasn't added an options switch in that does take out the H-Scenes if players so wish.

He himself doesn't want it to be seen as an Eroge, understandably, and I wish this masterpiece could be enjoyed by a broader audience without the negative connotations usually associated with H-Games.

A switch would work perfectly. The sex scenes sure do give some gravity to the situations hard to emulate by other plot devices so I do kinda agree with SecretUser95 that they shouldn't be left out completely, but they should be seriously gimped as an option.

That would probably only increase the average acceptance of this game and while most here really wouldn't miss the H-Scenes at all, keeping them as an option for those that do seems like a good compromise.

Only issue would be the extra effort needed to implement it well (cause you can't just not include them and can it a day, a lot of the scenes would need alternatives that imply the H-Scenes and the intimacy without actually showing it, that would require extra work, probs not too little...)

Nah, too late for that, and there bound to be some lore moments in those scenes. If you dont want any porn dont play 18+ game to begin with. Its not like they are in the way anyway, you can just skip everything.
Unless you really want to reccomend this game to your parents, wife or kids, then my condolenses.
And again, without H many would have probably never even noticed this game. There are tons of awesome non-h novels out there but not many played them. Maybe some widely accepted like Steins;gate and Higurashi but...Yeah. Sex is part of our life, without it we will feel miserable as it is one of the bare basics, but in current world many can't even get ahold of it for many different reasons. Why not appease such audience? For better or worse people of that category actually the ones who play novels in the first place.

 

[Antosha]

what do i do with the DS_store file....do i drop that into saves also or where does that go ...game folder maybe?

DS_store files are macOS files for keeping track of folder states. Toss them.

 

[El_Zane_123]

Nah, too late for that, and there bound to be some lore moments in those scenes. If you dont want any porn dont play 18+ game to begin with. Its not like they are in the way anyway, you can just skip everything.
Unless you really want to reccomend this game to your parents, wife or kids, then my condolenses.
And again, without H many would have probably never even noticed this game. There are tons of awesome non-h novels out there but not many played them. Maybe some widely accepted like Steins;gate and Higurashi but...Yeah. Sex is part of our life, without it we will feel miserable as it is one of the bare basics, but in current world many can't even get ahold of it for many different reasons. Why not appease such audience? For better or worse people of that category actually the ones who play novels in the first place.

Way to take stuff out of context ^^

As I said, purpose is not to remove the H-Scenes but to add the option (as in: you can choose =P) to hide them for the majority (as it seems) of players who skip past them regardless while at the same time preserving the situation and making it less of a cliche.

I stated myself the the H-Scenes add to the gravity of the situation so I kinda feel you haven't actually read my post but just saw the first line and responded without reading why further... Oh well ^^

 

[Vizer007]

Way to take stuff out of context ^^

As I said, purpose is not to remove the H-Scenes but to add the option (as in: you can choose =P) to hide them for the majority (as it seems) of players who skip past them regardless while at the same time preserving the situation and making it less of a cliche.

I stated myself the the H-Scenes add to the gravity of the situation so I kinda feel you haven't actually read my post but just saw the first line and responded without reading why further... Oh well ^^

For an option I said "Nah, too late for that" since its really not worth it and all that you dont want to can be skipped, and other is because of "acceptance" and "dont want it to be an eroge" but yeah, I elaborated a bit too much I guess. I meant to say that its either a popular "eroge" or a really niche non-h novel that not many even notice until certain point years later or with reviews of popular bloggers or youtubers (like DDLC). Eroge can (can, not will) bring money and people pretty fast afterall. H in this game is more of an ad or a "welcome" sign. You will see H but stay for story.

 

[PeterXHunter]

So Android decided to update to Android 11 and deleted all of my Joi Player save data for every game I've played in the process. Just amazing. If someone has some old saves lying around for the Windows version of the game, I'd be very thankful.

I recommend you to download this things from the playstore, so you can access files in Android-data folder.

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[hcguy]

the majority (as it seems) of players who skip past them

I doubt this is true. I think for a lot of people (myself included) they are not the primary focus, but I would be surprised if the majority of users skip them entirely.