Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[Xiondingens]

I never knew, this is so lame then. If their friendship is still over but without reason it just seems like things happened and we chose to block it out or something.

Well the problem is that Sel basically just writes a linear story, not a branching one. So the overall outcome always has to be the same. I mean sure, there is some changed dialogue here and there and you will maybe miss out on additional events. But none of your choices have any affect on characters, the personas, the relationships, the main story or anything. All that always has to stay the same.

And you can call it lame, but this linear story structure helps Sel to make one update per month. Because his work is more or less always the same. In oposition to a branching story structure where those choices would matter, but end up in more and more and more content and work and timeinvestment for each update.

Personally i would prefer it if he would just remove this illusion of choice and by that avoid those weird developments like the friends Kirin and Ayane suddenly no longer hang out with each other and act like they are no longer friends for no reason.

 

[Apollo259]

The first half of the scene still happens I think. The naked photo and blackmail stuff and she leaves (while still naked?) after Nodoka tells her what she wants her to do.

Also I thought it was the other way around. You get the Yumiknows flag set to true by doing the Abyss event before going to the hot springs with Chika. Which from memory basically happens if you don't go to the hot springs with her on the first available weekend. Which then seems to cause Chika to talk to Yumi about it in kind of a paranoid way or something like that. So when you get to the Nodoka part Yumi thinks that Chika would believe Nodoka about the naked photo of her and Akira so she stays not wanting to hurt Chika or their friendship in anyway.
But if its set to false she just leaves because she does not think Chika would believe Nodoka.

Or maybe I'm the one that has it backwards. I recall it being slightly counterintuitive as to what true/false flag lead to with that event.

 

[Xiondingens]

Also I thought it was the other way around. You get the Yumiknows flag set to true by doing the Abyss event before going to the hot springs with Chika.

I might missremember this, i admit that could be.

Edit: Just checked and no, looks like i am correct.

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[LoveRedHairedGirl]

The following event, Things That Hurt

Oh, I skipped one more event in the past...

 

[Apollo259]

I might missremember this, i admit that could be.

Edit: Just checked and no, looks like i am correct.

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Isn't that what I said? "Abyss event before going to the hot springs"

This is probably why I remember it being confusing.

 

[Xiondingens]

Oh, I skipped one more event in the past...

Maybe. I just did copy past the wiki and all i recall is that you will at least miss one event.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Wouldn't be surprised if Tsubasas's husband (Touka's father) turns out to be Chika's and Chinami's father too.
Or any other imaginable connection.
One of Chika's parents was Filipino, but the other one is Japanese.
Tsubasa taking so much interest in Chika's famliy seems strange enough, like she is feeling some kind of responsibility out of place.

I prefer the theory that Chika/Chinami's father is the same guy who is Sana/Sanabro's dad and Rin's dad as well. And Ami's "legal dad". You know who I'm talking about.

Spoiler: Fancy chart

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[Xiondingens]

Isn't that what I said? "Abyss event before going to the hot springs"

This is probably why I remember it being confusing.

But you have to go to the hot springs before. Yumi has to know about Sensei and Chika and she learns about it when you do the hot spings event.

 

[Nadekai]

I prefer the theory that Chika/Chinami's father is the same guy who is Sana/Sanabro's dad and Rin's dad as well. And Ami's "legal dad". You know who I'm talking about.

Spoiler: Fancy chart

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What do the heart emoji mean

 

[Kitty Hawk]

What do the heart emoji mean

The person is in love/has feelings towards with Sensei.

 

[Apollo259]

I prefer the theory that Chika/Chinami's father is the same guy who is Sana/Sanabro's dad and Rin's dad as well. And Ami's "legal dad". You know who I'm talking about.

Spoiler: Fancy chart

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Call it the: "Darth Vader" Theory. Or the: "No, I am your father." Theory.

Or maybe the: "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." Theory.

 

[Nadekai]

The person is in love with Sensei.

Tsukasa is in love with Akira?
Akira is now in love with Akira?

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Tsukasa is in love with Akira?
Akira is now in love with Akira?

She hinted she's interested in him as a sexual partner, and wants him to get with her daughters, that's an incredible level of trust in someone. The second question is just weird, I'll pass.

 

[Moonflare]

Well the problem is that Sel basically just writes a linear story, not a branching one. So the overall outcome always has to be the same. I mean sure, there is some changed dialogue here and there and you will maybe miss out on additional events. But none of your choices have any affect on characters, the personas, the relationships, the main story or anything. All that always has to stay the same.

And you can call it lame, but this linear story structure helps Sel to make one update per month. Because his work is more or less always the same. In oposition to a branching story structure where those choices would matter, but end up in more and more and more content and work and timeinvestment for each update.

No, I'm not calling linear storytelling lame, in actual fact I'd much rather prefer if this was all linear, because his optional routes suck. For a story of this complexity to have branching paths is just too much, and he's nowhere near the level of design necessary to pull this off. He's a very good writer, but his design is, well, bad.

Spoiler: general misgivings

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Spoiler: Yumi and Nodoka stuff

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Anyway seeing this just cemented my belief that there is one true way to play this game, which is by playing the story Selebus wants to tell (the one with all the events). And he should probably just tell that one instead of wasting time with this crap. Cause even thematically, let's face it, Akira never had a choice and if this is ours I'd rather not have it either.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Full save 0.40, bad uncle, good homie, all events route, ayane threesome, all cellphone images, tsukasa route chosen, affection >70 for almost everyone, lust >100 when grindable, headpats >500.

(guide mod was activated, don't know if it matters)

renpy just crashes every time I try to open your save

 

[Moonflare]

renpy just crashes every time I try to open your save

Do you have the guide mod installed?

 

[Nadekai]

She hinted she's interested in him as a sexual partner, and wants him to get with her daughters, that's an incredible level of trust in someone. The second question is just weird, I'll pass.

1st Tsubasa... REALLY.... REALLY trusts us? With how she hinted she knows what Akira is doing?
2nd Akira gives sensei best handjobs, there is no way Akira doesn't love sensei

 

[Nadekai]

I prefer the theory that Chika/Chinami's father is the same guy who is Sana/Sanabro's dad and Rin's dad as well. And Ami's "legal dad". You know who I'm talking about.

Spoiler: Fancy chart

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Also Karin doesn't love Sensi?

 

[Apollo259]

Its probably going to get super messy. I'm assuming some of the individual character routs will have requirements to have missed as well as viewed some combination events. If you think the guide mod is required to play now. Just wait until you have to navigate your way to some of the character routs without locking your self into the wrong one 100hrs in because you did something out of order 60 hours ago and you had 1 less lust point than you needed 30 hours ago... etc... ect. Just imagine the absurd flow chart that someone will inevitably end up making.

Might just rework all the event requirements at some point but I fear that stuff might become so entangled in the code that Selebus wont be able to change things without breaking everything.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

Also Karin doesn't love Sensi?

Not anymore.