Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[PhiloPhilo]

The recent discussion around not wanting to miss events in the wake of Io's event is interesting to me. The choices are there for a reason, and it's pretty clear that a missed event does not equate to failing an objective in, say, an FPS game. LiL frequently gives you no choice in the outcome of events, or explicitly shows you your lack of input with multiple identical options. Missable scenes, in my view, are things that could happen depending on your choices — but that does not mean you either "get" something or "don't get" something. If you miss a scene because you chose an option based on your desired outcome, you didn't lose a scene, you gained your desired outcome. Similarly, in the recent Io event, choosing the first option causes you to miss a scene — but the current scene continues and provides more dialogue, and importantly, narrative. I'd like to suggest to anyone feeling bad for missing events, ask yourself; do you want to see the event because you actually want to, or simply due to the effects of loss aversion, and would you actually gain more by interacting with the branching path mechanic with your desired outcome in mind? (Or using rollback lmao.)

 

[PhiloPhilo]

I don't know if anyone has felt personally offended by anything I said, it was never my intention as I was just trying to make a conversation. I thought I left it clear enough that any time I complained about traps that it was just a joke but I guess some people got annoyed. I'll just stick to lurking around

Seemed sarcastic / light hearted to me, but still may not be to everyone's tastes. Such is life though, I wouldn't worry about it, or just clarify like you did already

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Okay, need some tech help here, as thread search is kind of useless on this. Is there an updated version of the DRM removal patch or something out there that I need? Realized it was July today and downloaded the new version patch from the OP as usual and did the standard install procedure (back up saves, unzip patch into game directory, download the DRM removal gui.rpy and scripts.rpy and replace the updated ones), but it won't run now. Throws a Ren'Py error, which I'll stick in the below spoiler section:

Spoiler: Error

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Problem is, it only does that with the DRM patched files installed. If I do a fresh install of the 0.41 update without the modified .rpy files, it works fine (aside from eating my saves, which I'm smart enough to have backed up). And if I install 0.41 without the DRM patch, run it to trigger the delete...thing, and then load the backup save folder, I get trolled with a hex string that decodes into "you wouldn't download a car..."

Anyone have any ideas what might be going on?

The anti drm is only the gui, the script you have to use the latest one, it was on that post as backup for people who had theirs deleted.

 

[aintnowayy]

Anyone know a way to unlock all "Replays"? Just the scenes not the events. I have URM but I can't figure out the way to do it. I'm missing the last of makoto and 5th of molly and the last of ayane

 

[Moonflare]

I hope to see more of the Concern god, honestly. We barely see them seen, beyond a few encounters that isn't even said to be them but is somewhat implied (such at that one Yumi encounter.)

It'll probably be reserved for near the end, though, given how close it was with Akira's past, being the main god when he was a child.

I'm not sure that I understand. Pareidolia = USER3 = Concerned. We've seen them a lot. Way more than the other gods by this point.

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Spoiler: mysterious abundance of chickens

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And from the start of chapter 4 it's been Pareidolia non-stop all the time.

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His battles with Wires.

Spoiler: Flora

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Maybe do you mean seeing his "face"? But we've seen him as much as Wires "face" by this point. I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Moonflare]

The recent discussion around not wanting to miss events in the wake of Io's event is interesting to me. The choices are there for a reason, and it's pretty clear that a missed event does not equate to failing an objective in, say, an FPS game. LiL frequently gives you no choice in the outcome of events, or explicitly shows you your lack of input with multiple identical options. Missable scenes, in my view, are things that could happen depending on your choices — but that does not mean you either "get" something or "don't get" something. If you miss a scene because you chose an option based on your desired outcome, you didn't lose a scene, you gained your desired outcome. Similarly, in the recent Io event, choosing the first option causes you to miss a scene — but the current scene continues and provides more dialogue, and importantly, narrative. I'd like to suggest to anyone feeling bad for missing events, ask yourself; do you want to see the event because you actually want to, or simply due to the effects of loss aversion, and would you actually gain more by interacting with the branching path mechanic with your desired outcome in mind? (Or using rollback lmao.)

That's correct and a very good point. However, that would only be the exact case if your desired outcome also didn't result in a worse narrative. There are many examples, but I've already listed them a couple of times, so I'll just focus on one. Depending on what you did first, Yumi may resist Nodoka's blackmail or not. You can say "well, I'd rather have a timeline where Yumi wasn't sexually assaulted by Nodoka", I don't mind "missing" whatever would come from that because I'd rather have a world where it didn't happen at all. That's perfectly acceptable in theory. But the issue is that Selebus wants to tell a story where it happened.

If you have the blackmail not happen, then Yumi reacts to Nodoka and especially Akira in a way that borders bizarre. Akira would have literally found her in the baths, offered his shirt to her, she'd have rejected it for god knows what reason, and that would have been it. It makes no sense for Yumi to despise him in the same way from both "I can't believe you'd have sex with Nodoka when you already have Chika" and "I can't believe you'd watch while someone sexually assaulted me without doing anything, and then go on to cum in her mouth in front of me".

I agree with your point in theory, and hey, I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less how someone else chose to play the game. Miss everything, miss nothing, even if they chose to stop playing because they bought into the "you're responsible for this since you didn't stop playing" thing, I think that's a valid choice. But the issue that I see is that the story is worse if you miss events, not because there's a canonical path, but because Selebus doesn't put enough effort in following through with his alternate choices. Maybe he changes that when the game is finished, that'd be nice.

 

[shmurfer]

Seemed sarcastic / light hearted to me, but still may not be to everyone's tastes. Such is life though, I wouldn't worry about it, or just clarify like you did already

Going off the context they provided, bad jokes got old months ago and they're still happening.

 

[NicolasL4D]

I'm not sure that I understand. Pareidolia = USER3 = Concerned. We've seen them a lot. Way more than the other gods by this point.

Spoiler: trinity part 3

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Spoiler: mysterious abundance of chickens

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And from the start of chapter 4 it's been Pareidolia non-stop all the time.

Spoiler: level one

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Spoiler: throne of flesh

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His battles with Wires.

Spoiler: Flora

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Spoiler: this isn't me

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Maybe do you mean seeing his "face"? But we've seen him as much as Wires "face" by this point. I'm not sure what you mean.

I don't know, some of these don't match up (such as the picture with Yasu,) Concern was the god when he was a child, prior to Callous even existing (aka prior to Sekai,) so why it'd be doing stuff like encouraging Akira during the Io event just... doesn't line up.

While Concern is user3, what we see doesn't match up with what we know. We know USER3 basically never thinks in a sexual way ("Never in a sexual manner or anything like that, but in a normal way.") So it doesn't make sense. I don't know.

I might be high or something and just been zoning out. I haven't really played the game in a while before recently.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

That's correct and a very good point. However, that would only be the exact case if your desired outcome also didn't result in a worse narrative. There are many examples, but I've already listed them a couple of times, so I'll just focus on one. Depending on what you did first, Yumi may resist Nodoka's blackmail or not. You can say "well, I'd rather have a timeline where Yumi wasn't sexually assaulted by Nodoka", I don't mind "missing" whatever would come from that because I'd rather have a world where it didn't happen at all. That's perfectly acceptable in theory. But the issue is that Selebus wants to tell a story where it happened.

If you have the blackmail not happen, then Yumi reacts to Nodoka and especially Akira in a way that borders bizarre. Akira would have literally found her in the baths, offered his shirt to her, she'd have rejected it for god knows what reason, and that would have been it. It makes no sense for Yumi to despise him in the same way from both "I can't believe you'd have sex with Nodoka when you already have Chika" and "I can't believe you'd watch while someone sexually assaulted me without doing anything, and then go on to cum in her mouth in front of me".

I agree with your point in theory, and hey, I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less how someone else chose to play the game. Miss everything, miss nothing, even if they chose to stop playing because they bought into the "you're responsible for this since you didn't stop playing" thing, I think that's a valid choice. But the issue that I see is that the story is worse if you miss events, not because there's a canonical path, but because Selebus doesn't put enough effort in following through with his alternate choices. Maybe he changes that when the game is finished, that'd be nice.

All of those points are fair. One problem with what I said, which is somewhat idealistic, is that you can't actually predict the future and know that the "choice you wanted" actually results in things ending up the way you wanted them. The poor continuity like you pointed out is another good reason I didn't really consider, either. That's just going to come down to how everything is written.
I'm not trying to tell anyone how to play a game, I want people to play however they enjoy, though I probably should have stressed that. I think what I wanted to say was more-so geared at the people who feel that they want to do x, but feel a need to pick y, for reasons like fear of missing out or any of those other reasons. I'm just trying to say hey, think about it, if you go with your gut reaction because you think that's more important then great, but even if you go the other way, at least you thought about it. Basically, "Don't feel bad if you did this thing, even if you miss a scene or something because of it, if it's what you feel like you want to do."

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Going off the context they provided, bad jokes got old months ago and they're still happening.

Admittedly I'm a newf*g, to the board at least, so that might be true, but that tends to happen everywhere and I just go eh

 

[Comiies]

That's correct and a very good point. However, that would only be the exact case if your desired outcome also didn't result in a worse narrative. There are many examples, but I've already listed them a couple of times, so I'll just focus on one. Depending on what you did first, Yumi may resist Nodoka's blackmail or not. You can say "well, I'd rather have a timeline where Yumi wasn't sexually assaulted by Nodoka", I don't mind "missing" whatever would come from that because I'd rather have a world where it didn't happen at all. That's perfectly acceptable in theory. But the issue is that Selebus wants to tell a story where it happened.

If you have the blackmail not happen, then Yumi reacts to Nodoka and especially Akira in a way that borders bizarre. Akira would have literally found her in the baths, offered his shirt to her, she'd have rejected it for god knows what reason, and that would have been it. It makes no sense for Yumi to despise him in the same way from both "I can't believe you'd have sex with Nodoka when you already have Chika" and "I can't believe you'd watch while someone sexually assaulted me without doing anything, and then go on to cum in her mouth in front of me".

I agree with your point in theory, and hey, I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less how someone else chose to play the game. Miss everything, miss nothing, even if they chose to stop playing because they bought into the "you're responsible for this since you didn't stop playing" thing, I think that's a valid choice. But the issue that I see is that the story is worse if you miss events, not because there's a canonical path, but because Selebus doesn't put enough effort in following through with his alternate choices. Maybe he changes that when the game is finished, that'd be nice.

Honestly after the latest fiasco of missing events due to choosing the objectively correct decitions(Io,Sana etc) im tempted to wait until .50(cause its a good number) and then replay the whole game,going 100% green path to see what Sel is cooking.

 

[ProudHomophobic]

The first.

I'm not going to even try to find out the second.

same .couldnt choose other option .

 

[Moonflare]

I don't know, some of these don't match up (such as the picture with Yasu,) Concern was the god when he was a child, prior to Callous even existing (aka prior to Sekai,) so why it'd be doing stuff like encouraging Akira during the Io event just... doesn't line up.

While Concern is user3, what we see doesn't match up with what we know. We know USER3 basically never thinks in a sexual way ("Never in a sexual manner or anything like that, but in a normal way.") So it doesn't make sense. I don't know.

I might be high or something and just been zoning out. I haven't really played the game in a while before recently.

Never in a sexual manner towards Akira. "I'm thinking about you all the time. And I don't mean it in a sexual manner. We're friends". Also, concern doesn't mean a good person. I can be concerned that I don't even have a season and it's all been between Wires and HOPE for hundreds of years. Yasu constantly says that HOPE isn't callous either. It's a matter of perception.

However, if your theory is that USER3 isn't Pareidolia, then there isn't much we can say on that front.

 

[ProudHomophobic]

The obviously correct choice vs the choice you do to satisfy your morbid curiosity

Based answer .i was scared to choose lol .

 

[Moonflare]

All of those points are fair. One problem with what I said, which is somewhat idealistic, is that you can't actually predict the future and know that the "choice you wanted" actually results in things ending up the way you wanted them. The poor continuity like you pointed out is another good reason I didn't really consider, either. That's just going to come down to how everything is written.
I'm not trying to tell anyone how to play a game, I want people to play however they enjoy, though I probably should have stressed that. I think what I wanted to say was more-so geared at the people who feel that they want to do x, but feel a need to pick y, for reasons like fear of missing out or any of those other reasons. I'm just trying to say hey, think about it, if you go with your gut reaction because you think that's more important then great, but even if you go the other way, at least you thought about it. Basically, "Don't feel bad if you did this thing, even if you miss a scene or something because of it, if it's what you feel like you want to do."

That's fair. I think we're of the same mind on the matter. Perhaps some of us have triggered that reaction from other people by focusing so much on the so called green path, that they somehow felt they had to justify not following it. More power to them if that's the case. I hope people play however they want to play.

Edit: For what it's worth, I will say that the "miss" option to Io's event is beautiful and uplifting.

 

[somepersonoutofnowhere]

But what if a girl has 2 cocks?

Spoiler: Cockawari!?

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THERES MY PICTURES OF COCKAWARI!

 

[PhiloPhilo]

That's fair. I think we're of the same mind on the matter. Perhaps some of us have triggered that reaction from other people by focusing so much on the so called green path, that they somehow felt they had to justify not following it. More power to them if that's the case. I hope people play however they want to play.

Edit: For what it's worth, I will say that the "miss" option to Io's event is beautiful and uplifting.

I wouldn't put that on anyone, I don't think people doing a green path or 100% are wrong or even encouraging people to play differently. I just find it interesting how we think about things. I worry about missing context and information too so I usually replay a choice with a backup save. I don't want to put people down for playing a game a certain way, more like talk about why we might think the way we do and encourage people to find out if what they're doing is for them.

I have to agree on Io's recent event, though. I feel like, understandably, the miss option hasn't been talked about much because of how impactful/provocative the optional scene is. The miss dialogue and implications are equally as important though, I feel.

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[CheleDeCedul]

Anyone know a way to unlock all "Replays"? Just the scenes not the events. I have URM but I can't figure out the way to do it. I'm missing the last of makoto and 5th of molly and the last of ayane

You need the internal name of the event. Internal names look like this: "futabalust25 - chikaspring1 - etc"
You can check the name of the scene in various ways, the one I use is to open the .rpy files in the scripts folder (there's one script folder under Game and another under Subscribestar) and look for the lines that start with "label", for example you would find "label utaspring2".
You can also see the name of the scene by going to the wiki (only for older scenes, the wiki is not being currently updated), there's a "technical data" for each event with the name of the label.
You can *also* see the scene name currently playing in the quickwatch window in URM.

Once you have the name of the scene, you go to URM to the search function, change it to search for labels/scenes and look for the scene. From there you have the option to jump to the label (that's like playing the scene for real) or replay it.

 

[JelF547]

Speaking of Kitty Hawk...

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[NicolasL4D]

Never in a sexual manner towards Akira. "I'm thinking about you all the time. And I don't mean it in a sexual manner. We're friends". Also, concern doesn't mean a good person. I can be concerned that I don't even have a season and it's all been between Wires and HOPE for hundreds of years. Yasu constantly says that HOPE isn't callous either. It's a matter of perception.

However, if your theory is that USER3 isn't Pareidolia, then there isn't much we can say on that front.

True but each represent their concept.

Callous is obviously callous, focusing on desires, etc.

But that seems to be what USER3/Pariadoelia does, which is confusing to hell. It also just doesn't make sense with what we've SEEN Concern do prior to ch3. For example, the whole Yumi situation where it blatantly stopped Akira.