Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[barglenarglezous]

Not from Texas. Have travelled through it many times, and... Yeah.

Mind, I'm from Northern California. We get wonderful weather most of the time, but when we don't?

I've been thinking about Sel's output (and internal consistency) a lot recently. It is really, really hard to write and release a story serially and have it make any sense. I... write a bit IRL. Over the past few years, I've put out a series of books that's up to about 200,000 words -- and it's a bear to keep characters, plotlines, settings, etc. straight. And mind, my story is fairly linear and real-world: just a couple of flashbacks and the occasional dream sequence to get things weird. And I've still found things (or my readers have) that didn't make sense from one book to another.

That LiL is coming up on ten times the size, that it's nonlinear -- both in the sense that it's a game and that it's got time loops, flashbacks, extra-dimensional weirdness and more -- and that it's coming out monthly, and yet still holds together well enough for us to be debating tropes and themes is impressive. FWIW.

Though if he doesn't make up for the awful he's put Io through in the past few releases, I may be gone. Harrumph.

The main reason George R R Martin has yet to publish Winds of Winter is because he realized that something happened in an earlier book that shouldn't have, and now he can't take the story in the direction he wants to take it in the way he planned because of it. He wrote himself into a corner, and is stuck on how to get out of it. We've been waiting 10 years for him to escape that corner.

The longer a story goes on, the more likely that is to happen. Granted, Sel's playing a lot more "fast and loose" with his story than Martin is, as he's only really planed the broadest strokes ahead and the rest he let's fall as he goes, and he has an out Martin doesn't since the whole "POV character with an unreliable memory and prone to hallucinations" makes retconning incredibly easy, but it's still an eventual liklihood.

I've considered going into game dev a few times. I absolutely would not do it until I had the entire story set to paper and ready to go just to prevent this scenario from happening.

 

[DyonisXX]

Did anyone post the triggers for the 0.41 events? Can someone please link them or something? Thanks

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Mind, I'm from Northern California. We get wonderful weather most of the time, but when we don't?

My ass when I was stationed in Northern/Centralish California:

Spoiler

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[Antosha]

The main reason George R R Martin has yet to publish Winds of Winter is because he realized that something happened in an earlier book that shouldn't have, and now he can't take the story in the direction he wants to take it in the way he planned because of it. He wrote himself into a corner, and is stuck on how to get out of it. We've been waiting 10 years for him to escape that corner.

The longer a story goes on, the more likely that is to happen. Granted, Sel's playing a lot more "fast and loose" with his story than Martin is, as he's only really planed the broadest strokes ahead and the rest he let's fall as he goes, and he has an out Martin doesn't since the whole "POV character with an unreliable memory and prone to hallucinations" makes retconning incredibly easy, but it's still an eventual liklihood.

I've considered going into game dev a few times. I absolutely would not do it until I had the entire story set to paper and ready to go just to prevent this scenario from happening.

Sure -- but it's hard to develop the whole story before getting any feedback. Whether it's a a series of games or novels, the years it would take to draft the entire project get lonely and expensive. And even if you do finish the whole thing, I promise you, you'll miss stuff.

And yeah: unreliable narrator is a great out. Also, very much the point of the story, here.

 

[Antosha]

Did anyone post the triggers for the 0.41 events? Can someone please link them or something? Thanks

Most of them just play out in sequence -- they get triggered on particular days. To trigger the Futaba scenes, you need to visit her in the dorms and just hang out. (I think the Wakana/Imani scenes may require that you've done those Futaba scenes first.)

Oh, and if you're getting shampoo-blocked... Use URM or a save editor to change the escapeshampoo (?) variable to false.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Did anyone post the triggers for the 0.41 events? Can someone please link them or something? Thanks

Triggers:

Yasu: 1 is automatic (sunday), 2 is automatic (saturday), 3 is linked to the second.
Io: 1 is at the bathhouse (triggered on a monday for me), 2 is linked, 3 is missable depending on your choice.
Futaba: 1 is dormroom (triggered on a tuesday for me), 2 is linked.
Uta: 1 is automatic (triggered on a saturday after all of the above had been seen), 2 is automatic (wednesday).
Wakana: 1 is automatic (triggered on a saturday after noriko 2?). 2 is linked.
Imani: 1 is linked after Wakana 2. 2 is linked.
Noriko: 1 is convenience store (triggered on a friday for me), 2 is automatic on a sunday (after kirin?).
Kirin: Automatic (triggered on saturday after noriko 1 ?).
Rin: Linked after Haruka.
Haruka: Koi Cafe (triggered on a saturday).
Maki: Sex shop (triggered on a saturday for me).

Animations are for Futaba (cowgirl) and Molly (blowjob) - both are repeatable lust events on the dorms.

Will keep posting the triggers for the ones we find (done).

Edit: hexadecimal from yasu's second event

Spoiler: 2nd yasu

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hexadecimal for noriko second event:

Spoiler: den of the mole rat

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[Comiies]

No longer buried.

Spoiler: tennis ball

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Changed to haunting instead.

Oh yeaa this scene.Man now the thought that Sekai raped Akira in a hotspring in the past cannot leave my mind.Thx!

Anyways in the topic of Sekai haunting Akira.Since chapter 4 focuses on Sanna i am SO excited to get more info on the that thing that Sana said when she caught us legit speaking with Sekai back in the infimary(That Sara also used to do this.Also the fact that when we blacked out and had sex with Sara-and Yuki choked us-she said that she also experienced something similar in the past.Im 99% its trauma related so Akira wont be able to fully relate but trauma is a BIIIIG part of his problems so yea,pretty exited)

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Update - Selebus's power has returned

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Update - Selebus's power has returned

Spoiler: America! (Fuck yeah.)

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[Fire Lord Zuko]

Update - Selebus's power has returned

Is it? Where’d you see that? I haven’t seen any update from him on the Discord since that initial announcement.

 

[Bingoogus]

Spoiler: I love the story this set tells.

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[fdsasdf_p]

Is there a Whataburger reference in the game that I've missed/forgotten?

There is! Trinity Pt3 HuggyBoy ver. In fact what HOPE is describing here sounds pretty close to what is happening at TX now

(the dude censored condom with Whataburger bag...honestly can't tell if he's proud of this fast food chain or not lol)

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

There is! Trinity Pt3 HuggyBoy ver. In fact what HOPE is describing here sounds pretty close to what is happening at TX now
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(the dude censored condom with Whataburger bag...honestly can't tell if he's proud of this fast food chain or not lol)

I knew I wasnt crazy

 

[aramaug]

I know a bit, but remember that

Spoiler: he hides among us

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I know that if I was writing something as complex as LiL, I would absolutely go on forums and make anonymous theory shitposts just to fuck with the players.

And on a completely unrelated note, let me now write an essay on why Takoyaki Man is secretly the key to understanding the entire plot.

 

[Moonflare]

I know that if I was writing something as complex as LiL, I would absolutely go on forums and make anonymous theory shitposts just to fuck with the players.

And on a completely unrelated note, let me now write an essay on why Takoyaki Man is secretly the key to understanding the entire plot.

Good to see you got your power back, Selebus. Do me a favor and have Maya bring up the boxes on the next update.

 

[DyonisXX]

I know that if I was writing something as complex as LiL, I would absolutely go on forums and make anonymous theory shitposts just to fuck with the players.

And on a completely unrelated note, let me now write an essay on why Takoyaki Man is secretly the key to understanding the entire plot.

Maybe Selebus is autistic enough to be all of them

 

[Moonflare]

You guessed it, it's time Moonflare ranted on why Himawari's name is Ami again. This will be kinda short (I tried guys) since it's just a new piece of information to add to the rest (there is a second one at the end though).

Okay so, basically, Himawari tells Akira to name her after his favorite flower. The obvious take from this is to guess that she's telling him to call her by the nickname "sunflower". Well, what she could actually be telling him is to call her Ami, since red hair Ami is his original sunflower, here's the evidence:

First Himawari tells him to call her after his favorite flower.

Spoiler: ad meliora

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Then we have confirmation she is his little sunflower.

Spoiler: flowerchild

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Well, Ami is also his sunflower.

Spoiler: On the count of three

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Sunflower dress from Sekai.

Spoiler: outcry of the hunted hare

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Now that we have established that both function as sunflowers, let's see them intersect. First of all, what is it the Akira has in his pocket? Well, it's a picture of Ami.

Spoiler: clod and the pebble

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And do you know what else Akira has in his pocket? After their encounter at the church of New HOPE, in which there is the quiz, Himawari is the narrator outside of it. This bit establishes that it's her:

Spoiler: world of lines

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Let's sum up, Himawari is a sunflower. Ami is also a sunflower. Akira carries a photo of Ami in his pocket. Himawari puts a photo of a sunflower in his pocket. When Akira asks what name he should give her, she says "name me after your favorite flower" - Ami is his favorite flower. Himawari wasn't telling him the secret of her nickname, she was telling him in a roundabout way what her actual name is. Again, alone, that might be stretching it but it's another thing on a huge pile of evidence.

And the other reason I thought to bring this up is that there is a dark undertone to Himawari being called Ami, and that is the possibility that Ami Arakawa dies at some point. It would be strange for Akira to have two daughters with the same name, or for them both to serve as his emotional support. Not impossible, but weird. If first Ami died though, it would make even more sense for them to honor her memory by giving their baby daughter her name. It would also explain Ami's obsession with asking people if they love Akira enough to die for him (cause she probably did).

Oh, and this is a minor thing, but I'm also adding it to the pile. Himawari is rambling on about stuff, and Ayane calls "Ami", to which she answers by shutting her mouth since her mother is calling her (and her big sister).

Spoiler: flowerchild

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My initial post on the topic:

Another possible hint that Himawari's name is Ami. And since I got excited, I made a full compilation of this theory.

Spoiler: Ami Arakawa, the second - your little sunflower

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Now, again, this is just a theory at the moment, but evidence is starting to pile up imo.

 

[Apollo259]

Spoiler: I love the story this set tells.

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This reminds me of something...

Spoiler: something

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[LoveRedHairedGirl]

You guessed it, it's time Moonflare ranted on why Himawari's name is Ami again. This will be kinda short (I tried guys) since it's just a new piece of information to add to the rest (there is a second one at the end though).

Okay so, basically, Himawari tells Akira to name her after his favorite flower. The obvious take from this is to guess that she's telling him to call her by the nickname "sunflower". Well, what she could actually be telling him is to call her Ami, since red hair Ami is his original sunflower, here's the evidence:

First Himawari tells him to call her after his favorite flower.

Spoiler: ad meliora

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Then we have confirmation she is his little sunflower.

Spoiler: flowerchild

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Well, Ami is also his sunflower.

Spoiler: On the count of three

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Sunflower dress from Sekai.

Spoiler: outcry of the hunted hare

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Now that we have established that both function as sunflowers, let's see them intersect. First of all, what is it the Akira has in his pocket? Well, it's a picture of Ami.

Spoiler: clod and the pebble

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And do you know what else Akira has in his pocket? After their encounter at the church of New HOPE, in which there is the quiz, Himawari is the narrator outside of it. This bit establishes that it's her:

Spoiler: world of lines

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Let's sum up, Himawari is a sunflower. Ami is also a sunflower. Akira carries a photo of Ami in his pocket. Himawari puts a photo of a sunflower in his pocket. When Akira asks what name he should give her, she says "name me after your favorite flower" - Ami is his favorite flower. Himawari wasn't telling him the secret of her nickname, she was telling him in a roundabout way what her actual name is. Again, alone, that might be stretching it but it's another thing on a huge pile of evidence.

And the other reason I though to bring this up is that there is a dark undertone to Himawari being called Ami, and that is the possibility that Ami Arakawa dies at some point. It would be strange for Akira to have two daughters with the same name, or for them both to serve as his emotional support. Not impossible, but weird. If first Ami died though, it would make even more sense for them to honor her memory by giving their baby daughter her name. It would also explain Ami's obsession with asking people if they love Akira enough to die for him (cause she probably did).

Oh, and this is a minor thing, but I'm also adding it to the pile. Himawari is rambling on about stuff, and Ayane calls "Ami", to which she answers by shutting her mouth since her mother is calling her (and her big sister).

Spoiler: flowerchild

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My initial post on the topic:

What if Himawari is Ami's daughter actually, xd. That's why she has a lot of sunflower things.

 

[Moonflare]

What if Himawari is Ami's daughter actually, xd. That's why she has a lot of sunflower things.

Akira's eyes are silver if I recall correcty, so there would be that issue. Her hair color is the same as Otoha's, but I guess it also fits it being a blend of blonde and black.