Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[aramaug]

In one of the reset events, i think the one where he meets fishnet face knife nose and argues with his legs again, Akira is in the school and finds a room that seems blocked.
He questions himself if someone wanted to keep someone/everyone out of that room.
All iirc. Might try finding it again.

/e That was in the 3rd reset "Backwards Dancing".

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I guess those are Mayas boxes and Maya blocked the Wing?
Was that her trick to get him beyond the 3rd reset?

I don't think they're Maya's boxes, they're a lot bigger and don't say "Don't Open" on them. On the other hand, Sensei is mysteriously unable to open them, just like Maya's boxes, so there could be a connection.

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I'm not sure what the closed wing is supposed to mean, but it has something to do with HOPE, since it's his angels that say they're making renovations. The branches in the background are also one of HOPE's symbols.

Hmm I was about to argue that high school floor layouts (especially those in eastern Asia) are almost identical from floor to floor so it's not easy to confirm that the room Yumi and Futaba are outside of IS "the room of box" with 100% confidence. However, if you zoom in further, 書道室 (shodo room) actually can be seen at the end of the hallway in both cases. It's less likely to have one of these room on every floor so I support your idea: that room with the wood-looking slide door in the scene IS the "the room of box".

(let me see where else I can find this door...)

Be careful with using sliding door sound effect as an indicate of Sensei coming out of the same room though. Usage of this sound effect is too ubiquitous and can be heard when someone entering "his own classroom"; it's not exclusive to this wood-looking sliding door. Even though it's reasonable to assume that he was in "the room of box" when Yumi and Futaba were talking solely based on the character placement, that sound effect isn't a strong implication. For example, I think Sensei coming out of his own classroom and not this room to be proud of Yumi is equally plausible.

But I'm also ready to shove these into the cabinet labeled "Developer Oversight" because these conjectures will only go somewhere if Selly did his homework and carefully mapped out all the rooms he used in the game in a spatially sensible way.

You're not wrong about the ubiquity of the door sound, I just thought it was suggestive when you combine it with the direction he's coming from and being able to hear the conversation. And for what it's worth, we do know that he didn't come from his own classroom, since Yumi and Futaba just exited it and he wasn't there.

Is the box room also the manga club?

Interesting idea, but it looks like the door doesn't match.

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[Detective Dc345]

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Do you guys think there's too many girls on the roster or would you like there to be some more? I think that there's never too many but I imagine it must be hard for the average player to keep up with so many characters.
I'd personally like more side girls from like a different class like Karin or something, a goth girl from Wakana's class would be nice

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Do you guys think there's too many girls on the roster or would you like there to be some more? I think that there's never too many but I imagine it must be hard for the average player to keep up with so many characters.
I'd personally like more side girls from like a different class like Karin or something, a goth girl from Wakana's class would be nice

A few more would be fine, but you eventually run into a situation where you have 50+ 'main' characters you see for five minutes a month and none of them have anything to say or do unless you hire on more writers or expect the game to come out in literally 2061. I don't want the game to become overwatch the visual novel just to say we have a Lebanese character that was a former child soldier and has a fart fetish, and Greg, Older Brother of Frank, Friend of Takoyaki Son, Son of Takoyaki Man. Not to mention, adding another 10 person class (/worth of people) at this point in the story and having them be any good or useful would be awkward

 

[Breadtaker]

Do you guys think there's too many girls on the roster or would you like there to be some more? I think that there's never too many but I imagine it must be hard for the average player to keep up with so many characters.
I'd personally like more side girls from like a different class like Karin or something, a goth girl from Wakana's class would be nice

I'm not worried about players not being able to keep up with a lot of characters. I'm worried about Selebus having to neglect characters for an entire year so others can have their turn. 35 is already pushing it in my opinion.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

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Pain…

 

[Moonflare]

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There are so many possibilities regarding this omg...

Unlike stomachache, I very much doubt Yumi would feel bad because of something Akira did, or subject herself to something for him. So for Yumi to feel bad, it would have to do with Chika, Yuki or Chinami.

The obvious one would be Chika, but why would Yumi feel bad for Chika finding out about being cheated on? It could be the safe option of "how dare you betray me by not telling me if you knew" from Chika. Or the much more serious "I catched Akira cheating with you".

I'm going to throw my guess and say that Chika finds out, blames Yumi for being a bad friend and lying to her about it (not telling the truth sooner), Yumi is devastated and finds consolation in Akira (since they'd be the two that are able to talk about this), cue in her revealing how this sucks even more since she also likes him.

 

[DeSkel15]

I don't think they're Maya's boxes, they're a lot bigger and don't say "Don't Open" on them. On the other hand, Sensei is mysteriously unable to open them, just like Maya's boxes, so there could be a connection.

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I'm not sure what the closed wing is supposed to mean, but it has something to do with HOPE, since it's his angels that say they're making renovations. The branches in the background are also one of HOPE's symbols.

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Maya actually has a variety of boxes:

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She also implied all those boxes and stuff in Reset 3 were her stuff, in Ayane's Chapter 2 'Before The Sun Comes Up' Event:

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Presumably she's referring to this stuff in Reset 3 as shown in Chapter 2's 'Backwards Dancing' Main Event:

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Overall: Sensei seems to just carry a small box every now and then, while Maya moves the rest. Or, well...moved. Still curious about how the next reset will be.

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Kind of hoping that this is just Yumi's response to hearing Ayane sing her favorite song over and over...and over.

 

[Ritzalio]

Woah 1000 pages of lore discussion

 

[jamyong]

I think I'd have preferred if he kept it to the original 10 or maybe like 15 characters tops. Each one has a decent amount of unique characterization put into them but their personalities still overlap a lot

Also I agree with the others that I don't like waiting 84 years to see progress on a particular character/story arc. Even when I'm playing ~a year's worth of updates at a time, I get a bit frustrated at times because there'll be some interesting event with some character and then you don't get to see them again for like 3-4 hours of game time. And then by the time you see them again, everything has cooled down, the urgency/excitement is lost, and nothing really happens. I think the justification for things being pushed under the rug tends to be either a) there was a reset, so everyone forgot about it or b) there was some supernatural shit going on so everyone forgot about it, and sometimes c) time heals everything (which are kinda acceptable reasons) but it's still frustrating.

And ofc the wait is worse when you're playing update-by-update but that's a sort of self-inflicted wound I tend to switch between playing every update upon release and letting many months worth of updates build up. Was thinking of stepping away from the game for ~6mo again after .41 but it turned out to be S-tier and I've been keeping up with the previews for .42 so I can't wait to play it!

I agree. Having been playing since like the 4th or 5th update, the time between updates with characters that I actually care about has been one of the more annoying non-purposeful frustrations with the game. It doesn't help either that there are a handful of characters that get much more love from the developer than others, and if you don't really like those characters then too bad. I personally don't care about Makoto or Futaba pretty much at all, but often times they (esp. Makoto) are so consequential to the overarching story that you can't even really afford to just ctrl past their events without missing shit that is relevant for other aspects of the game. I remember distinctly when the second floor started getting added and I just knew that things were going to start getting spread too thin. If any more characters were added at this point I feel like any sort of further meaningful development and conclusion to certain character's arcs would just be either impossible, or take so long that the game itself would run out of steam. And as much as I enjoy the story, it already feels like things need to start wrapping up fairly soon.

I've already started getting tired of Akira's new particular flavor of self-loathing with the Maya situation and I personally don't need 10,000 more lines of dialogue about how new Maya isn't her and how he lost her and failed her and blah blah. That should've been minimized and he should already be well into the mindset of "I promised her I'd bring her back and I need to figure out how." I get he's a piece of shit and cowardly and all that but juxtaposing him losing Maya once with her losing him countless times, I'm just kind of sick of his mentality. This was his 6th reset and he's "lost" literally everyone else multiple times, including the people he cares about most. I never felt that the Maya thing should take this long for him to come to terms with. I get that she was his anchor throughout the resets but I think there is a lot to be said about the story just kinda getting on with it at this point. More characters would only dampen what little momentum has already been built up with Akira's character in figuring out what he needs and wants to do.

 

[Nobodyknowsmeok]

Can you do the beach even without doing anything naughty with chika

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Can you do the beach even without doing anything naughty with chika

how do you respond to this

 

[barglenarglezous]

Can you do the beach even without doing anything naughty with chika

Yes, it's the optimal way to do it.

Do the event before Schadenfreude and stop there until after the beach event.

 

[thegeo]

As someone who last played in March and took a break until this update (3 updates? Or was it only 2 because of the break but anyways) its crazy how trash of an update the Nodokathon/Dorm Wars update was compared to the most recent update. Spent a few hours just reading through the thread here about the Io choice.

If every update was at nodokathon level I think id be almost ready to just check out permanently or take a loooong break but damn im just instantly pulled back in again after this. Though I am quite unsatisfied with the Kirin/Karin drama as that was the big cliffhanger when I last played, and if anything this update has just solidified my super low opinion of Kirin.

Kirin went from being someone who leveraged blackmail over Sensei to essentially fuck with Ayane for no reason to just being a complete spineless wimp, in my eyes she has lost every bit of spice/interesting factors that separated her from the rest of the class when she was first introduced. I just see no reason to be interested or motivated to care about anything she says/does at this point compared to all the other interesting shit going on right now.

 

[derekthered56]

Do you guys think there's too many girls on the roster or would you like there to be some more? I think that there's never too many but I imagine it must be hard for the average player to keep up with so many characters.
I'd personally like more side girls from like a different class like Karin or something, a goth girl from Wakana's class would be nice

Dorm 2 characters have kinda grown on me as being more distinct over time. Dorm 1 was designed as basic dating sim archetypes but with a manipulative predator as the MC. And of course over time Sel fleshed them out and added twists to them. But Dorm 2 is better built to explore Akira's character and his dark side. For instance his wizard attraction: originally we would have only seen that through flashbacks with Maya and maybe scenes with Chinami. Now there's Io, Uta, Tsukasa, and Tsubasa who can all confront him on it in different ways. Maybe even Noriko or Nodoka could bring it up later. So when this is all finished I think the expanded roster will fit Sel's vision a bit better. But boy, as an update-to-update reader I would have loved for there to be less girls and thus less time waiting to get through character arcs.

Also, this is all except for Karin. I still don't think Karin has added anything to the story that couldn't be accomplished some other way. Give her screentime to Moyo; everyone loves Moyo.

 

[Nobodyknowsmeok]

Yes, it's the optimal way to do it.

Do the event before Schadenfreude and stop there until after the beach event.

The beach event went horrible for rin and ayane. Next playthrough I'll do this

 

[Moonflare]

Can you do the beach even without doing anything naughty with chika

As it has been said, there are two paths possible. In one of them you have schadenfreude (event with Chika on her dorm) before the beach trip, which triggers bad homie. If you wait to do schadenfreude after the beach trip, you trigger good homie (the optimal Rin path imo).

Kissing Chika after taking her home is fine in regards to the homie situation. Rin will not fault you for it. But schadenfreude is a no-no.

Edit: since I think I got this to you too late, here's a tip on an upcoming event (down the line). If you ever play "fuck, marry, kill" with Kirin, do not choose kill for her or you'll miss an event (any other option is fine). I say this because iirc the guide doesn't mention this.

 

[PhiloPhilo]

Fuck, marry, kill: Moonflare, Deskel, LessonsInDissonance.
Begin.

 

[Apollo259]

I remember Maya saying that the boxes was just her lunch/reset supplies. Or did we think that was just a half-truth for some reason?

 

[PhiloPhilo]

I remember Maya saying that the boxes was just her lunch/reset supplies. Or did we think that was just a half-truth for some reason?

Not sure I remember that, but either way too much focus has been put on it and she's too secretive about them for it to not either be something to be revealed, or a gag down the line if it is something innocuous. The idea of Maya dragging around MREs is very funny though