Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

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You tell 'em Nao-chan. I don't know what it is, but you tell 'em.

This is sound, if not for the fact that along with the support system his trauma would also be gone.

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This is just a thought experiment, I personally agree with your views. Enough of Akira remains that he feels effects of his past, but is bereft of context or support. And by context I mean both of who he is, and who other people are. Ayane is hardly more than a blonde bimbo to his eyes, where she'd be a much more different person to the original Akira, akin to at the very least a niece. I just find it interesting that there is a study to be had in how much erasing one's memories saves them from their demons, although I don't think that is one of points of LiL. Maybe if that was one of the directives of the simulation, who knows...

Tbh, I think the whole "amnesia" thing with Sensei is actually just him blocking things out at will.

Virtually everything with Maya, Niki, and Sekai wouldn't work if his memories were actually erased.

It's even been implied that what he does learn about his past just goes in one ear and out the other:

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Overall: I don't buy that Sensei's memories (of his past at least) were actually erased. He's probably just running from/ignoring them until he can't, or is forced to confront/need them. Things like Sekai haunting him, keeping Ami's picture in his pocket this whole time, and never even trying to remember his name, wouldn't make much sense if his memory was actually erased.

There's a reason Niki didn't really buy it:

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Sensei forgetting past Resets wouldn't be farfetched, but just forgetting basically everything always seemed to be a little convenient.

Also, on the topic of memories, I'd like to quote The Joker because I liked the comic for the most part (the movie can eat a nuke):

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Nevertheless, I think Sensei just doesn't want to face his memories. Too much responsibility and pain, even now. He also seems to feel guilt over his past with Maya, in particular, but what brought this on after years of indulgence, is the real mystery. Possibly related to why the Resets even began.

Maya could definitely be the catalyst and we're still not sure why we see Maya hanging from a rope:

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As for the mantra, yeah, I can see Maya grooming Sensei into thinking like that. She's not exactly above saying things like this:

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Albeit, I wonder where she learned this from..

 

[Riolol]

You tell 'em Nao-chan. I don't know what it is, but you tell 'em.


Tbh, I think the whole "amnesia" thing with Sensei is actually just him blocking things out at will.

Virtually everything with Maya, Niki, and Sekai wouldn't work if his memories were actually erased.

It's even been implied that what he does learn about his past just goes in one ear and out the other:

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Overall: I don't buy that Sensei's memories (of his past at least) were actually erased. He's probably just running from/ignoring them until he can't, or is forced to confront/need them. Things like Sekai haunting him, keeping Ami's picture in his pocket this whole time, and never even trying to remember his name, wouldn't make much sense if his memory was actually erased.

There's a reason Niki didn't really buy it:

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Sensei forgetting past Resets wouldn't be farfetched, but just forgetting basically everything always seemed to be a little convenient.

Also, on the topic of memories, I'd like to quote The Joker because I liked the comic for the most part (the movie can eat a nuke):

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Nevertheless, I think Sensei just doesn't want to face his memories. Too much responsibility and pain, even now. He also seems to feel guilt over his past with Maya, in particular, but what brought this on after years of indulgence, is the real mystery. Possibly related to why the Resets even began.

Maya could definitely be the catalyst and we're still not sure why we see Maya hanging from a rope:

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As for the mantra, yeah, I can see Maya grooming Sensei into thinking like that. She's not exactly above saying things like this:

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Albeit, I wonder where she learned this from..

This made me think, Akira considers "his" Maya dead because new Maya doesn't have her memories but he never regained all of his memories so Maya Prime never truly got "her" Akira back, at least not by Akira's logic.

 

[DeSkel15]

This made me think, Akira considers "his" Maya dead because new Maya doesn't have her memories but he never regained all of his memories so Maya Prime never truly got "her" Akira back, at least not by Akira's logic.

Yeah, and Maya Prime probably shared that belief.

Still, sadly or fortunately(?), the Maya Prime calling Sensei "My Akira" at the end, had lost pretty much all of her memories by then.

As far as she knew, he was her Akira, at the end:

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She probably wouldn't even be able to think otherwise.

 

[Bingoogus]

Spoiler: The Return of Good Kid (0.44 Previews)

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Wonderful, simply awesome, the best, the music that was so well received... well it's not like it'd affect me, i check the files before adding the update to the game folder and always test any new music before leaving it or deleting it. I remember being so confused why folks were complaining about the music in the Imani wars update cause to me it was only images and text, i've gotten so used to vetting each update i'd forgotten all about deleting the songs, they had no connective context, Sel added some shitty music, no idea where or when it'd play but it would be irrelevant as i'd hate it anywhere, so bye bye, scroll forward half an hour and i just blissfully waltzed in without a clue it was meant to be playing.

 

[Moonflare]

Yeah, and Maya Prime probably shared that belief.

Still, sadly or fortunately(?), the Maya Prime calling Sensei "My Akira" at the end, had lost pretty much all of her memories by then.

As far as she knew, he was her Akira, at the end:

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She probably wouldn't even be able to think otherwise.

I don't follow, he is her Akira because he has remembered stuff from before the resets. None of the other Akiras seemed to have been able to do that. He's the Akira that managed to tell her again that he loved her. Sure, he didn't remember their entire backstory, but he remembered enough I'd think.

This made me think, Akira considers "his" Maya dead because new Maya doesn't have her memories but he never regained all of his memories so Maya Prime never truly got "her" Akira back, at least not by Akira's logic.

Also, to Riolol's point, there's a difference. Our Akira considers New Maya not his Maya because the memories that are gone are from the resets (thus, truly gone - to his knowledge). Hence, only one Maya could be his Maya (because the memories he's looking for are after her initial "backup"). Maya Prime could potentially consider any Akira, her Akira, because the memories she was looking for were from before the resets (which all of them could have, but only this one managed to reach for without imploding).

So, in that sense, our Akira is her only Akira (because he was the first reset Akira to reach for the past), and she is his only Maya (because she's the only one he had known). Their parameters are different for evaluating Mayas and Akiras because their situations are different (as far as we know).

 

[Riolol]

I don't follow, he is her Akira because he has remembered stuff from before the resets. None of the other Akiras seemed to have been able to do that. He's the Akira that managed to tell her that he loved her again. Sure, he didn't remember their entire backstory, but he remembered enough I'd think.

Depends on what you mean by "enough", there are still years of their time together that he doesn't remember. Taking away even a year of somebody's memory can seriously change them as a person. Akira doesn't see New Maya as his Maya for that very reason. Maya may have felt the same way about him. I feel it's worth mentioning that New Maya has more memories of her time with Akira (Prime?) than Akira has of his time with Maya Prime.

 

[akselx]

I check this thread after a long hiatus and what do I see? Some uncalled Good Kid slander. Disgusting.

 

[Bingoogus]

I check this thread after a long hiatus and what do I see? Some uncalled Good Kid slander. Disgusting.

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Mate, bro, buddy, everyone, and i do mean everyone, has shit taste in music, without exception, because it's entirely subjective and for every fan there will be a hater. I myself simply do not enjoy 99% of male singers and about 95% of female ones, it is very rare for me to enjoy lyrics and of the ones that i do 95% are in a foreign language so the voice is just another instrument without meaning, if some music has lyrics you can be sure there is a 99.9% chance i will hate it and want it gone.

(I stared at the post for a while trying to figure out how to make it clear i'm not trying to be a dick but just putting on a bit of a performance amongst friends but i couldn't do it, so this addendum is to direct you to read it in the jovial spirit i meant it.)

 

[akselx]

Depends on what you mean by "enough", there are still years of their time together that he doesn't remember. Taking away even a year of somebody's memory can seriously change them as a person.

What he did remembered was enough for her. It's all started with his buying that green scarf, before that she was cautiously testing waters (taking him to coffee vending machine, to maybe carefully stimulate his memories through sense of taste).

Some of her verbiage early on led me to believe that previous iterations of Sensei were some other entities entirely, rather than the same person, who just did get quite far enough to gain his memories back. But maybe it's just her perception. Remember her reaction to being sent back when she was almost reset the first time? She was convinced that the Past Sensei were a fake and was actively blocking out his voice and face much the same way Akira used to block out Sekai.

 

[akselx]

Mate, bro, buddy, everyone, and i do mean everyone, has shit taste in music, without exception, because it's entirely subjective and for every fan there will be a hater. I myself simply do not enjoy 99% of male singers and about 95% of female ones, it is very rare for me to enjoy lyrics and of the ones that i do 95% are in a foreign language so the voice is just another instrument without meaning, if some music has lyrics you can be sure there is a 99.9% chance i will hate it and want it gone.

(I stared at the post for a while trying to figure out how to make it clear i'm not trying to be a dick but just putting on a bit of a performance amongst friends but i couldn't do it, so this addendum is to direct you to read it in the jovial spirit i meant it.)

How dare you to talk about subjectivity of personal preferences on the Internet of all places. Fuck you bro, get a taste of my mad Paint skills.

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[Moonflare]

Depends on what you mean by "enough", there are still years of their time together that he doesn't remember. Taking away even a year of somebody's memory can seriously change them as a person. Akira doesn't see New Maya as his Maya for that very reason. Maya may have felt the same way about him. I feel it's worth mentioning that New Maya has more memories of her time with Akira (Prime?) than Akira has of his time with Maya Prime.

These are very different things. Let me put it in a different way.

Is our Akira Niki's Akira? Going by your perspective he'd be just as "not enough" of an Akira to Niki as he was to Maya. He remembers only fragments of his past. Yet you don't see Niki and Ami questioning if "this" Akira is their Akira. They classify Akira as a person that has lost or is blocking part of their memories and that's it.

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Lastly, it doesn't escape me that there is a nuance to someone not being the same if losing their memories, and, well, yes - in that sense our Akira isn't her Akira. But neither would he be the Akira of anyone in this game.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

 

[akselx]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

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Hear, hear! Harken to the voice of wisdom.

 

[somedoodwhogames]

That’s Karin with Uta, right? If so—

ngl, kind of shocked she’s there. Also… do her boobs look smaller?

Honestly I thought it was Kirin, boobs too smol to be Karin. Karin's kinda tall and she isn't much taller than short Uta. She's also wearing Kirin's favorite high-rise anal floss under her daisy dukes.

 

[joshpeterson019]

Maybe I'm being stupid but I always thought our Akira was her Akira because he has the same personality of the old one while the other akiras were all different in addition to not being able to remember anything.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Good Kid’s songs weren’t even that bad.

Not that bad, is still closer to bad than average, and doesn't come close to good.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Good Kid has an alright singer and a alright sound which is considered good when discussing indie bands. But it could be much much worse... we could have Nodokathon the sequel with the Smiths playing in the background.

 

[DeSkel15]

I don't follow, he is her Akira because he has remembered stuff from before the resets. None of the other Akiras seemed to have been able to do that. He's the Akira that managed to tell her again that he loved her. Sure, he didn't remember their entire backstory, but he remembered enough I'd think.

Also, to Riolol's point, there's a difference. Our Akira considers New Maya not his Maya because the memories that are gone are from the resets (thus, truly gone - to his knowledge). Hence, only one Maya could be his Maya (because the memories he's looking for are after her initial "backup"). Maya Prime could potentially consider any Akira, her Akira, because the memories she was looking for were from before the resets (which all of them could have, but only this one managed to reach for without imploding).

So, in that sense, our Akira is her only Akira (because he was the first reset Akira to reach for the past), and she is his only Maya (because she's the only one he had known). Their parameters are different for evaluating Mayas and Akiras because their situations are different (as far as we know).

It's different in theory, but not so much in practice. Maya Prime didn't think Sensei was Sensei, until this timeline, hence the whole reincarnation theory of hers, but none of them lasted long enough to reach the point where Current Sensei actually remembered something. (Or apparently had Himawari sell them that Scarf, plus whatever other divergences)

Maya Prime was thinking Current Sensei could "probably" be her Akira:

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But, unless he had been through what they've been through:

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She probably wouldn't truly see him as her Akira.

And Maya Prime was aware that Current Sensei didn't share their memories:

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Current Sensei was basically just close enough, and seemed to be like her Akira, but at the end, it probably didn't matter.

Maya Prime probably wouldn't have even remembered the resets if all that was left in her head, was Akira. There being other Senseis probably wouldn't be distinguishable, and therefore there'd be only one, as far as she'd be aware.

It's also possible that Current Sensei isn't actually Akira. He "regained" a memory but he saw himself in it:

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This game loves playing with the idea of perception, and has mentioned Shapeshifters and other kinds of entities that can appear human:

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While also noting that there can be false memories:

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I haven't completely written off that Current Sensei could just end up being New Akira, if not something akin to Knife Boy. It's probably fine to see him as Akira though, until more gets revealed.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Good Kid has an alright singer and a alright sound which is considered good when discussing indie bands. But it could be much much worse... we could have Nodokathon the sequel with the Smiths playing in the background.

Dear Selly,

If you truly lurk in the forum still and happen to see his post, please don't see it.

Best Retards,
Everyone (I think)

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Tsuneyo Event Title

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