I think it is fake Ayane, based on Ayane from our timeline. Like, since everyone but Makoto, Ami and Maya exploded in the end of this scene, it is likely some fake alternative version of our main timeline.
But gosh... I feel brain damage from thinking too much about it.
Yumi's definitely main girl for chapter material. I mean, she always was, but evidence just piles up, and now even HOPE has said so.
Edit: I don't know if HOPE's talking about Akira or Maya here, could be either. Depending on the answer, it changes what he intends to want them (Ayane and Yumi) for.
Maybe Hope is referring to Yumi in this? She is known by another name (a name that has not been mentioned or brought up or mentioned ever again) Maybe she has a Sensei-esque brain blockage and once she hears that name again she'll regain some memories.
This is a rather underwhelming explanation of what happened lol
tbh I didn't even register that the scene could be considered as ntr because, crazy as it will sound, but listen to me, I think we're over ntr at the moment. Let's first address that specific scene, I say this for two reasons:
As for the other ntr scenes, hard to judge anything related to Maya for the same reasons. Tsuneyo x Sekai was a dream pretty much, and if not a dream, it was a reality that existed and then went poof right after. Which is another can of worms because if we count what happened before it was reset, then we're living in the eternal harem (of everyone fucking everyone) but of forgetful people.
Last note, mind you, I personally hate netorare and Otoha kissing Niki is probably one of the worst moments in the game for me. But looking at the state of this story as it gets more and more complicated (and uncertain), I find myself not even taking notice anymore. Don't know what to make of that either.
This is a rather underwhelming explanation of what happened lol
tbh I didn't even register that the scene could be considered as ntr because, crazy as it will sound, but listen to me, I think we're over ntr at the moment. Let's first address that specific scene, I say this for two reasons:
As for the other ntr scenes, hard to judge anything related to Maya for the same reasons. Tsuneyo x Sekai was a dream pretty much, and if not a dream, it was a reality that existed and then went poof right after. Which is another can of worms because if we count what happened before it was reset, then we're living in the eternal harem (of everyone fucking everyone) but of forgetful people.
Last note, mind you, I personally hate netorare and Otoha kissing Niki is probably one of the worst moments in the game for me. But looking at the state of this story as it gets more and more complicated (and uncertain), I find myself not even taking notice anymore. Don't know what to make of that either.
Exactly, when the narrator said "can this be considered NTR, blah blah", I was like, NTR? Wut. Didn't even notice anything lol.
EDIT: Regarding the direction he's taking, what's happening there I think, is that Selebus wants to hurt the overly-sensitive-to-anything-anywhere-near-NTR people that read LiL. That's the impression I get at least. I don't know if that's accurate or not, or even a good move. Could certainly harm his income, but I think at this point it won't.
Exactly, when the narrator said "can this be considered NTR, blah blah", I was like, NTR? Wut. Didn't even notice anything lol.
EDIT: Regarding the direction he's taking, what's happening there I think, is that Selebus wants to hurt the overly-sensitive-to-anything-anywhere-near-NTR people that read LiL. That's the impression I get at least. I don't know if that's accurate or not, or even a good move. Could certainly harm his income, but I think at this point it won't.
Yeah, I mean, I personally didn't consider that scene to be NTR either. To me, it was just another one of the game's patented fucked up sex scenes, which don't bother me, but I also don't think add anything to the game.
With that said, I can totally see how other people would consider it NTR. I don't think people bothered by the scene are "overly-sensitive-to-anything-anywhere-near-NTR people." Some people view girl-on-girl the same as guy-on-girl and I do not think that's inherently wrong. If anything, it's probably less sexist. And I can see how getting NTRed after years of investing into a game and characters could make people very upset. And that scene clearly turned some people off the game.
I think it's a very weird choice for Selebus to be adding more things that border on NTR to this game, because if he keeps edging the line, he will just push more and more people away. Maybe he's trying to hurt a specific group of people who play the game. But...why???? His game has not grown in years. His Subscribstar's back down to 9.8k. He lost subscribers after this update. And he's been adding custom non-cannon renders to the game and setting goals to try to get more money recently, so it clearly matters to him. It just feels like he's shooting himself in the foot. I want to see this game finished eventually, and at the rate he's going I'm worried at the very least we might eventually get much longer update times if he needs to get a real job to support himself.
This is a rather underwhelming explanation of what happened lol
tbh I didn't even register that the scene could be considered as ntr because, crazy as it will sound, but listen to me, I think we're over ntr at the moment. Let's first address that specific scene, I say this for two reasons:
As for the other ntr scenes, hard to judge anything related to Maya for the same reasons. Tsuneyo x Sekai was a dream pretty much, and if not a dream, it was a reality that existed and then went poof right after. Which is another can of worms because if we count what happened before it was reset, then we're living in the eternal harem (of everyone fucking everyone) but of forgetful people.
Last note, mind you, I personally hate netorare and Otoha kissing Niki is probably one of the worst moments in the game for me. But looking at the state of this story as it gets more and more complicated (and uncertain), I find myself not even taking notice anymore. Don't know what to make of that either.
Depends on if you considered the Sekai X Tsuneyo scene from last update NTR I guess. The scene from this update probably upset more people because A) Tsuneyo and Sensei weren't actually involved and B) as far as I've seen, Tsuneyo's ranked pretty low on most people's tierlists.
I actually have a theory that new Maya and Maya prime are the same person, new Maya just travelled to 4th chapter right from pre-resets. And we've just seen the reason Maya loves Ami so much. Also, probably it's Ami who taught Maya about resets.
Also, an empty notebook we've seen in Ayane timeline was probably Maya's property. I can see how Ami was just erased few updates before and Maya just hides this information from Ayane. This explains how could she forget all the shit and just make up facts like 4 resets with autopilot Sensei. Alternatively, she's just another Maya, but it's boring
I actually have a theory that new Maya and Maya prime are the same person, new Maya just travelled to 4th chapter right from pre-resets. And we've just seen the reason Maya loves Ami so much. Also, probably it's Ami who taught Maya about resets.
Also, an empty notebook we've seen in Ayane timeline was probably Maya's property. I can see how Ami was just erased few updates before and Maya just hides this information from Ayane. This explains how could she forget all the shit and just make up facts like 4 resets with autopilot Sensei. Alternatively, she's just another Maya, but it's boring
With that said, I can totally see how other people would consider it NTR. I don't think people bothered by the scene are "overly-sensitive-to-anything-anywhere-near-NTR people." Some people view girl-on-girl the same as guy-on-girl and I do not think that's inherently wrong. If anything, it's probably less sexist. And I can see how getting NTRed after years of investing into a game and characters could make people very upset. And that scene clearly turned some people off the game.
The concern isn't the sex/gender of those involved in these matters, the concern is "purity" and "loyalty." As well as auxiliary negative feelings that just come from a bad event. Of course, there are dials and knobs here such that some don't consider purity as violated when there are only girls involved, but that's their business - I never thought of it once. What I observe occurring here are thought processes like: "their purity has been violated -> the purity should have been mine -> I want them less -> this is NTR", or "their loyalty has been called into question -> they should be loyal only to me -> this is NTR." Observe that the review in question misremembers the scene completely and falsely claims that the scene describes Ami as so much better than sensei; this is a self report wherein the reviewer reveals their insecurity for not being 'the best performer', and how they want heroines to never have their loyalty questioned by liking a sexual encounter with someone else more. This insecurity is so great they see it when it is not there. This is what I'm talking about - not "lol Ami is a girl so it's not NTR."
As for me, I would say a key element to true NTR - and what makes it so sickening on a broad scale - is the distortion of Love and values. For example, we understand Maya to have a strong love for Sensei and to greatly value her relationship with him. What would turn the scene into NTR is for her love to be diminished and her values distorted following this encounter; for her to love Sensei less and for her values to be changed such that, e.g., she now puts more value on who fingers her the best rather than who has gone through hell with her or is a perfect personality match or w/e. These kinds of things are horrifying in two ways: one, they trample Love (the most sacred of all human emotions), and two, they essentially murder someone. Value drift is not taken particularly seriously by most people but in practice we can say that we are what we stand for and that our beliefs being corrupted is a corruption of the fundamental self. (Eventually, one comes to realize there is nothing to lean on in the entire world except our beliefs.) So someone "changed" by these kinds of experienced, NTR'd into another being, is essentially dead and gone.
This is to say in summary that an instance of rape (wherein the party enjoys it or not), or an instance of impurity, is not where the threat of true NTR lies. True NTR is a corruption love and values. Which can still happen! If, say, there is an extended arc of Maya following after Ami like a stray cat while denouncing ever having felt anything for Sensei (or something), then that would be NTR. Tsuneyo... well, her NTR may be ridiculous, I envision her shouting that she loves cock more than noodles, so the real threat there is Sensei NTRing her away from Noodles (both meanings) more than her being ntr'd from Sensei. And so on. Therefore we see that people responding to a scene poorly because it plays on their insecurities, denies their... 独占欲 as the Japanese say, threatens the purity of heroines, and so on, is not actually cause for ringing the NTR alarm. That is simply sensitivity resulting in NTR being called as a boogeyman representing any instance of a heroine not being fully pure and fully devoted to the protagonist.
iirc Selebus said he hates NTR with a burning passion, I'd be surprised if he includes proper NTR in the game
Imo the Ami rape is NTR in the technical sense but prolly most ppl don't care cos it's between two chars who are in the harem and both r girls. Sekai is technically also in the harem. If there was penis involved I think there'd be a lot more ppl complaining
actually nvm I was looking up the VNDB definition of ntr, I feel like Maya was not "stolen" altho you could argue she was, but Sensei would not b jealous so much as shocked to realize how fucked up Ami is?
It might be simpler than that. He might hate NTR as a fetish to make one's PP hard but like it as an act antagonists can perform to make you hate them. I'd argue nothing NTR like in this game approaches the salt mine that would happen if Yumi or Rin starts fucking Wakana's brother or something because they don't feel comfortable having sex with Sensei yet.
Maybe Hope is referring to Yumi in this? She is known by another name (a name that has not been mentioned or brought up or mentioned ever again) Maybe she has a Sensei-esque brain blockage and once she hears that name again she'll regain some memories.
Okay, hear me out. Put on a tin foil hat. What another name she might have?
a) Totally new name which never mentioned before — meh. Like, maybe she is... Random Japanese female name generator help: It says "Momoko". Or, if we include only name started with Y... She is "Yoshiko", xdddd
b) Name that was mentioned before, but we never connected it with Yumi — there is a chance, but I don't want to dig into that rabbit hole.
c) She is part of the Arakawa family... But why not? We speculate that Sana, Rin and Nodoka could also be related to the Arakawas. Yuki can't remember who Yumi's biological father is, so she jokingly suggests that Akira might be Yumi's father, since Yuki doesn't have any memories of her sexual partners. (I am not saying Akira is Yumi's dad. But I am implying Akira's brother/father can be her dad). Therefore, there is a possibility that Yumi has Arakawa genes, which is why Sensei subconsciously wants to get closer to her.
