Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.48.0] [Selebus]

[shmurfer]

13. Also by my estimations, the first sexual contact between Akira and a student is with Makoto, by her giving him a handjob while masturbating at the secret room of the porn shop. But it's possible this could change depending on the event order, I'm not sure. I recall someone saying that Ami is always the first, but maybe that was about actual sex. I guess we'll see.

Based on my very peculiar save file and playthrough, I can confirm you can change some of these based on event order. Ayane kiss is forced on me pretty quick so she's probably the first there (though Sara might be a contender). Because I wanted to get the Futaba's hand on my penis dialogue in "Haruka" I went down Fubata's events first, then Miku's to unlock more Futaba, which needed Sana's 10 affection event and that ended up with my first sex with Sara. My first handjob was with Futaba, and I'm going to see how much lust I can get with anyone else other than Chika and Ayane.


(Chika's waiting because her events unlock happy event 2 and I need that done before I make Maya progress and I want the hidden dialogue in "Normal Office Visit", Ayane is waiting because after grinding up all of her affection, I want to see how long I can edge her forced sex scenes.)

2. The upside down house's first mention happens in a dorm event with Chika "side event", in which they watch the house with five girls looking for something, one of them is crying, and there is something in the attic. Maya also says she's been dreaming of things being upside down.

Doing what I did above, my first upside down house mention was with Futaba where she tries letting us read her fanfiction but it's someone else's book. I'm dodging a lot of lore going for these weird side quests first so no big insight yet.

In less serious news...

11. Akira's meeting with Miku on the weekend has him saying that he doesn't like soccer, which is probably the reason he has a harder time with Karin in this cycle. The conversation starts with Miku trying to pawn Karin off to him in exchange for him becoming their coach, which is possibly what happened in that one timeline where they're fucking, and it was likely due to Miku's plan being accepted. Since he doesn't like soccer here, he ends up fucking Kirin instead.

Goddammit Selebus. Very subtle foreshadowing of 0.45 here. These early events with Miku call it soccer, and in the world where Sensei is a Karin and football fanatic they specifically call it football there. The effort to change the name shows how much he loves football.

 

[MSR_Lixian]

Hey guys I got my hands on the care packages and I noticed they contain some pdf files that are password locked, does anyone know the passwords?

 

[Bingoogus]

Damn, mod cleaned out the last few posts, and i thought i made a killer self deprecating joke too... now i get no dopamine from reactions... how am i meant to subsist on this lack of mental nourishment?

 

[shmurfer]

Damn, mod cleaned out the last few posts, and i thought i made a killer self deprecating joke too... now i get no dopamine from reactions... how am i meant to subsist on this lack of mental nourishment?

There's also the chance they didn't get what they wanted before it was deleted too. Then I'd have to double down or something

 

[Yarazin]

third replay has started...
...the music captivated me so much that I decided to really give my all this time.

Good Morning gives me such a inspiring feeling that it makes me very tempted to start again. I love those first few minutes before the jump. Right now I just cant do it until there is something other than misery at the end. Please new update, no rape and murder!

10. Everyone knows I like Sara, but yeah. I like Sara. Her introduction as supermom is cute. And also it is a very early show of Sana's inner self, as she hides that Akira is a dude from her, and insists that they don't meet more often.

Yay! I love Sara too!

 

[TenthDoctor]

Hey guys I got my hands on the care packages and I noticed they contain some pdf files that are password locked, does anyone know the passwords?

I second that. The creator doesn't even tell you the password if you paid for them.
He loves his password/shitty puzzle crap.

 

[fasoaga]

Spoiler: minor notes

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I think one of the gods killed chinami to keep attic secrets. (Or made it sound like she died.)

When both akira and chika were watching upside down house on tv, (which akira admits it looks more like a hidden camera footage than tv show) when characters goes to attic or shows something inside attic, Chika gets a phone call and she panics and wants to get home urgently.

At the time we didn't know chika had a sister, and had no idea why would she needs to go home urgently, then we learn about her sick sister.

What kind of phone call would make Chika, a pretty laid back character who was chilling with her love interest at her dorm to make her run back to home?

 

[Moonflare]

You know, Rin is one of my favorite characters, period. And I have said a couple of times how Akira started acting as her dad and has a much more wholesome relationship with her than with Ami - but I didn't realise it was actually said to be so from the start:

Spoiler: Rin's secret

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Anyway, I love Rin Arakawa Rokuhara.

 

[Moonflare]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

Ami starts blasting Niki's song while on her underwear, she hears Akira knocking on the door, but ignores it so that he has to come in. Akira starts imagining Niki while listening to the song, and Ami keeps flirting with him until he stops imagining Niki to just focusing on Ami. This is all a calculated move, mind you, including the song.

Spoiler: Something darker

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Then, Akira asks her what family is, and he realises he fucked up because he just asked someone with only one person left what family was. Surprisingly, Ami calls him a pervert. This is yet another indication that this has happened before, as someone in her position wouldn't naturally go this way upon being asked that - she basically ignores it and doubles down on her seduction tactic. Ami goes on to say that she will just have to satisfy him as long as he doesn't involve himself with anyone else (which is the deal he takes on the Karin world).

Spoiler: Something darker

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During this conversation Akira notes that she's trying to entrap him and that she's way smarter than she pretends to be. Then he slips and finds himself on top of her. This slip is very likely to have been Nodoka's compulsion, he's repeating what he has done multiple times in previous cycles (attacking Ami, which Maya mentioned that she's always the first, and most of the time he barely leaves the house after falling for her, which means this plan works - also, important to note that Ami's likely always the first because she makes it so with this event everytime).

Spoiler: Something darker

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Then when Akira asks her why she's so sure he won't hurt her, she starts monologuing about how their minds/bodies won't even allow it to happen. Which, in retrospect/in context, she's clearly talking about previous Akiras that all fell for this ploy. That's when everything changes because Akira LEAVES.

Spoiler: Something darker

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This is genius because, it's so freaking obvious:

Spoiler: Something darker

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Ami isn't confused about Akira pushing her down, she's confused as to why he didn't follow through for the first time in countless cycles. All of this was a planned out routine that always works. Something is different with this Akira. He controlled himself and went away. This is what she's confused about.

I think one might even say that she is the something darker. Akira, after all, was able to resist the trap she set up for him, he's something "lighter" than the Akiras she's used to.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Hey guys I got my hands on the care packages and I noticed they contain some pdf files that are password locked, does anyone know the passwords?

Letter01 PRAISEBE
Letter02 SUMMER
Letter03 ZACHARIEL

(case sensitive)

 

[Tommykjohnson1990]

Many people commented on my findings about Ami and Himawari, I unfortunately will not be writing in-depth replies as I'm on a tight schedule just to play the game and report what I find (also because some of the regulars have already replied and provided explanations).

Spoiler: Bias and Himawari

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Random notes on the replay that didn't merit their own posts:

Spoiler: minor notes

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I thought Futaba was first. Wasn't that an issue she had when the book came out finding out she was the first to give in to Sensei?

 

[notproudofbeinghere]

Is the game good ?

lowkey the worst thing that happened to me

 

[Bingoogus]

lowkey the worst thing that happened to me

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

 

[Vizer007]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

Damn, dude, if only I had time I would've replayed this game, especially after seeing all these things that I missed (and would've probably still missed even if I played again by myself), but I can't...so, thank you for sharing these and keep going!

 

[Detective Dc345]

Sel posted another preview but then quickly deleted it. And by the looks of it nobody seemed to catch it.

 

[Moonflare]

What kind of phone call would make Chika, a pretty laid back character who was chilling with her love interest at her dorm to make her run back to home?

It isn't clear who calls Chika exactly, but she seems pretty okay with it. She doesn't try to rush or anything like that. She's more or less just a bit scared what will Akira think about it, so she goes for the kiss (maybe a bit out of desperation that he'll abandon her after this). The slip of her crying is really out of place cause things don't seem so bad.

I thought Futaba was first. Wasn't that an issue she had when the book came out finding out she was the first to give in to Sensei?

Futaba thinks she was the first, and that was the version Nodoka chose to go with. I mean, given how many cycles Nodoka has fragments of, I'm pretty sure Futaba was the first in many of them. But she doesn't have to be the first in ours, and I think it's even sadder that she isn't.

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

Hey, outliving LiL is literally one of the first things that I think about when compiling a list of "why can't I die yet" So that's a big plus in my life. You won't kill me, Selebus. I will see the true end!

Have these random pictures I've been collecting too!

Spoiler: random screenshots

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Mind you, that one screenshot with Ayane feeding Maya also ends with Ayane straight up telling Maya she has feelings for Akira. Which I really didn't remember.

Yumi looks so cute too. If you do this event after "this town has two halves", it's a much needed break from her being assaulted, since she seems at least good enough to hang around and laugh (probably a courtesy from being Akira's partner so many times in previous cycles - and liking him in this one, although she didn't admit it yet by that point). So I guess it was less of a straight up assault (their kiss) and more of a really really bad way for something she wanted to go down. It is still an assault obviously, I'm talking about why her feelings are conflicted on it.

 

[crustlord12]

I don't think any of us could truly argue we're better off for discovering this story, we're all just addicted junkies who can't quit.

Agreed, I have this weird shame for playing it. I can't imagine getting caught by someone I care about because saying something like "no! I actually really only care about the story, I actually don't care about having sex with a massive harem, I promise!" isn't very believable. And if you play this game and think you know me in real life, no you don't.

Sel posted another preview but then quickly deleted it. And by the looks of it nobody seemed to catch it.

Wow, you're fired from being the preview guy, unbelievable

 

[Detective Dc345]

Agreed, I have this weird shame for playing it. I can't imagine getting caught by someone I care about because saying something like "no! I actually really only care about the story, I actually don't care about having sex with a massive harem, I promise!" isn't very believable. And if you play this game and think you know me in real life, no you don't.


Wow, you're fired from being the preview guy, unbelievable

My apologies kind fellow. I heard the discord notification go off but the newest episode of DanDaDan had my undivided attention. But my sources are telling me Sel accidently leaked the Tsukasa sex scene, that's why it was gone so quickly.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Okay so, Ami definitely knew what was up, it's extremely obvious in the replay. There's this event called "something darker". I'll give a rundown.

I was thinking the other day about "How would I make sense of Ami's situation without assuming her being all-knowing since the very beginning?". The struggle I always have is that, despite having a good amount of suspicious moments, there are still a considerably large amount of early Ami moments that don't sit well with that assumption; Ami being more crucial than she appears to be has always been an obvious theme, but “Ami knowing what was up ever since the beginning" is such a tough pill to swallow that I don't think I'd buy it without some heavy cherry picking (ex: arguments like "well she clearly knew shit in this event and she clearly was faking it in that event") or until some more defined evidences that support the same thing.

Then, I thought of Maya's interpretation of "Why girls already had preconceived notions of the type of person Sensei was", "Why girls quicky warmed up to a Sensei that underwent a complete switch in personalities", and "Why everyone just decided that not being taught anymore was ok" (all from her event Now More Than Ever). My understanding of her theory is that even if an iteration got hard reset and girls' memories were accordingly reformatted, their brains could still quickly adapt to a new iteration because, from a higher dimension perspective, most things the next iteration would do to/with the girls would not be their first time; they lost access to those specific memories but it doesn't mean they would feel unfamiliar once the next iteration starts repeating similar actions.

Originally, this event I think was supposed to be Maya implying why Sensei can advance with every girl so quickly without any hiccup, but potentially this can be applicable to Ami's situation. Via the same mechanism, Ami can quickly accept a new slate-cleaned iteration that knows literally nothing about anything, and quickly accept him starting to lust over her, without needing to know "how things were supposed to be one or a few apocalypses ago" or rather, "what apocalypses themselves are". This train of thoughts relies on at least two things: Maya's theory being correct and Maya holds the "correct" memories of what kind of a person "the original Sensei" was (aka, a correct frame of reference capable of attributing girl's quick adaptation to this memory reformatting theory instead of simply the kind of person Akira already was pre-resets). Her knowledge admittedly has not been impeccable, but in this case it's an easier sell for me to use her theory to rationalize early Ami moments in comparison to assuming the Ami since the beginning knows as much as the Ami that tortures New Maya.

 

[Moonflare]

I was thinking the other day about "How would I make sense of Ami's situation without assuming her being all-knowing since the very beginning?". The struggle I always have is that, despite having a good amount of suspicious moments, there are still a considerably large amount of early Ami moments that don't sit well with that assumption; Ami being more crucial than she appears to be has always been an obvious theme, but “Ami knowing what was up ever since the beginning" is such a tough pill to swallow that I don't think I'd buy it without some heavy cherry picking (ex: arguments like "well she clearly knew shit in this event and she clearly was faking it in that event") or until some more defined evidences that support the same thing.

Then, I thought of Maya's interpretation of "Why girls already had preconceived notions of the type of person Sensei was", "Why girls quicky warmed up to a Sensei that underwent a complete switch in personalities", and "Why everyone just decided that not being taught anymore was ok" (all from her event Now More Than Ever). My understanding of her theory is that even if an iteration got hard reset and girls' memories were accordingly reformatted, their brains could still quickly adapt to a new iteration because, from a higher dimension perspective, most things the next iteration would do to/with the girls would not be their first time; they lost access to those specific memories but it doesn't mean they would feel unfamiliar once the next iteration starts repeating similar actions.

Originally, this event I think was supposed to be Maya implying why Sensei can advance with every girl so quickly without any hiccup, but potentially this can be applicable to Ami's situation. Via the same mechanism, Ami can quickly accept a new slate-cleaned iteration that knows literally nothing about anything, and quickly accept him starting to lust over her, without needing to know "how things were supposed to be one or a few apocalypses ago" or rather, "what apocalypses themselves are". This train of thoughts relies on at least two things: Maya's theory being correct and Maya holds the "correct" memories of what kind of a person "the original Sensei" was (aka, a correct frame of reference capable of attributing girl's quick adaptation to this memory reformatting theory instead of simply the kind of person Akira already was pre-resets). Her knowledge admittedly has not been impeccable, but in this case it's an easier sell for me to use her theory to rationalize early Ami moments in comparison to assuming the Ami since the beginning knows as much as the Ami that tortures New Maya.

That's a valid explanation, but I personally disagree (at the moment). I haven't even reached the first reset, and the amount of stuff Ami knows is baffling. It is clearly on another level from the compulsion the other girls face. Ami seems to instrumentalize her knowledge, which then has to be knowledge, rather than just a compulsion.

I think a middle ground could be that there's a second Ami that knows stuff, and then there's the overall Ami that acts on compulsion. I can see myself leaning towards that. There's also another matter, which is that Ami knows stuff regardless. For instance, she knows about Maya and Akira. I don't think that's really up for discussion. Ayane knows that Maya likes Akira from the start, I'm pretty sure Ami knows they fuck even (regardless of reset knowledge).

For the event I talked about "something darker" there's really no other explanation for the way she did everything, and especially her confusion about Akira not following through in the end other than her knowing how it was supposed to go. That's one of the things I have been paying attention to, that being "does this make additional sense in a retcon way? Or did it simply not make any sense in the first place, and only now it does? (not retcon, but planned since the start). And I think this event simply didn't make sense before, and we just moved on because "well, sometimes this game doesn't make sense" (like Akira and Ami randomly having to clean brain matter from Ayane killing a janitor). And I'm sure other stuff will continue popping up, we'll see.