Since i came up with it and i did that because i read that here a couple of times.
Does anyone even know if Sel retconned something?
Some people pretended he did. Though i don't know of any examples outside of the ch1 rework and typos ofcourse.
I'd be rather interested in knowing if he did retconn anything besides what i mentioned and that being relevant enought to give people second thoughts.
The only retcon I'm aware of, and that's because it was something I strongly opposed about the rework, is the
Ayane bathroom scene as it changes her character drastically and did so in an extremely blatant way as if the change had a neon sign pointing right at it to make everyone look in its direction. For this reason, I also maintain the original scenes as my headcanon, completely ignoring the new events as far as story connectivity and only looking at them in case something comes up later in a puzzle as Sel has been know to pull that.
I also
suspect a retcon in the first gym class scene as I swear it didn't used to portray
Yumi ridiculing Futaba in such a blatantly malicious way, which destroyed one of my argument points with DesKel earlier. I'll need to check this when I start over next time I play.
I see. Your points are well-substantiated and persuasive. I can certainly understand why you believe Otoha is worse. Moreover, I didn't remember Yumi being that much of a dick towards Futaba. I guess you tend to overlook the bad in your favorite characters (or these may be newer. I haven't replayed the game at all).
Then there's the aspect of the law. Otoha probably committed some sort of battery or domestic violence (by slapping Rin); I have no idea where exactly her actions would fall in Japanese law.
Whereas Nodoka almost certainly committed sexual assault.
I have seen someone mentioning that for us, players of this game, who know the context behind the character's actions, that recognize this is all fictional, what Otoha did is much more shocking than what Nodoka did. While I don't strictly agree, the idea holds merit. The fact that we're discussing this at all is the proof.
A girl slapping her girlfriend, cheating, and generally being an awful partner? Not even newsworthy. A minor sexually assaulting another one, forcing her victim to masturbate in front of her while she sucks off their teacher? National, no, possibly global news right there.
Sometimes, I wonder if this game has warped my common sense.
Of course, I do not understand the characters perfectly, especially Nodoka. But I can talk about my impression of them.
My impression of Otoha is that she is an immature, impulsive, dipshit teen. These aren't rare at all. These aren't particularly dangerous (unless in groups).
Whereas Nodoka, she's too unpredictable. Her in-universe intelligence enables her to create schemes that could cause extreme harm. Her likely psychopathy also allows her to have no external moral constraints, only those she herself constructed. In other words, she's highly dangerous.
The fact that she considers Sensei, an actual predator, as harmless is more than enough proof that her internal moral compass isn't to be trusted.
In a hypothetical situation, being positioned to profit immensely, the only condition is fucking everyone and everything over (possibly the very fabric of reality, as this is Kumon-mi); I'm afraid of what she would do.
I don't think Otoha would go that far.
As of yet, I'm not sure who's worse. Which is strange, for I feel something telling me I should. Which is why I believe this game has warped my common sense.
Heck, Yumi's my least favorite and I still missed it, though I'm starting to suspect a retcon was involved where I was looking at when defending Yumi. I still maintain my position, but I do see where, at least in the new canon, Yumi does seem to be going even harder and fully intending malice.
Nodoka committing sexual assault, which in the real world is held as a higher crime than bullying unless a death results from the bullying, turning it to murder, is why I still maintain my position. A slap isn't too serious, it would be so much worse if she beat Rin harder like punches and kicks, but yes, this can be counted as physical assault.
You're right about that kind of person, typical dipshit teens are not uncommon, in fact, they are becoming increasingly more common here in real life. This kind of thing is what happens when someone hasn't learned the value of right and wrong and that actions have consequences that can reach well beyond the initial target of the action in question, can be extremely damaging to everyone involved, and can last for a very long time if they ever go away at all. Combine that with impulsive behavior and you can get something like what happened with Niki.
As far as Nodoka's moral compass, you're right, she can't be trusted, but neither can Yumi or Otoha. All of them have shown an ability and a will to cause potentially harmful things.
All that shot does is make me want her to be tied up and forced to watch Akira NTR her.
That would make for a great first Rin scene, have him win Rin over while still together officially with Otoha, have Rin trick Otoha into the same room, then make a show of betraying her right to her face with Sensei in the worst possible way. That would either (A) really screw Otoha up mentally or (B) teach her a lesson she wouldn't be able to forget if she tried and possibly make it so traumatic to try the same tactics she did with Rin again that she might just become better as a person.
