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barglenarglezous

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I don't think he's going to be redeemed at all. In fact, I suspect the "purity" endings may exist to redeem each of the girls from the downward spiral he's dragging them down.

This update showed that most of the girls are spiraling the drain without him. They need him, and considering the kind of man he is, that's dangerously unhealthy for all of them.

The most recent reset showed how this plays out. He ends up alone and miserable. That's his finale. That's his penance.
 

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I don't think he's going to be redeemed at all. In fact, I suspect the "purity" endings may exist to redeem each of the girls from the downward spiral he's dragging them down.
As far as I remember it has been said several times that the pure endings will focus on Akira getting with each specific girl on the chosen route and having special sex scenes for each of them, so your logic doesn't make sense.

Edit:It's not to sound rude or arrogant, it's just a reminder.
 

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Canonically speaking the Lessons in Love universe has ghosts, aliens, higher beings that can manipulate reality, talking plants and whatever the fuck Big Boy is. At this point Sel should just add Pokémon so Sana could get to fulfill her fantasy. I don't think anybody would be surprised if we saw a Garchomp somewhere in the background.
 
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Fire Lord Zuko

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Guys, I hate to admit it… but I have one of Good Kid’s songs stuck in my head now. “First Rate Town” it’s called. The music really didn’t fit the update imo, but I won’t deny it’s kinda catchy.

Damn you, Sel! :LOL:
 
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Detective Dc345

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I still have doubts about those aliens actually been real.
I mean there is a space war and if they aren't fighting aliens are they fighting space itself? And if that's the case I suddenly don't feel so bad for Maki and Makoto if their loved one got murdered by a black void of nothingness.
 

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So far the girls that Akira has stopped himself from moving forward in the relationship are Imani, Kaori, Molly (because of the trauma he had in chapter 2) and Rin from what I remember,

Rin even pointed out that Akira could have made her fall in love with him several times but he didn't.

What is so unusual about these girls that makes Akira avoid being with them?
dont forget about yumi. even though he kissed her once, and blacks out with her around alot, he is very surprisingly adept with holding himself back. i will say that he probably will stop holding himself back with almost if not all of these girls this chapter.
 
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I mean there is a space war and if they aren't fighting aliens are they fighting space itself? And if that's the case I suddenly don't feel so bad for Maki and Makoto if their loved one got murdered by a black void of nothingness.
Is there a war? We have never seen it. And if you look at what we know of this space war, it seems again just be a a convinient explanation why there are barely any men in the city besides akira. Well that and the wall. Only that the wall in context of the space war only makes sense if you dont think about it.

I still hope that the whole space war/wall doesnt end in some sort of dark city plottwist. And outside of the wall there is nothing but space and the whole city has just been created or removed from earth completely and all those gods are basically just the aliens who have won the war long, long ago and are now just fucking with what is left of humanity. especially maya and akira for some weird reason.
 

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Is there a war? We have never seen it. And if you look at what we know of this space war, it seems again just be a a convinient explanation why there are barely any men in the city besides akira. Well that and the wall. Only that the wall in context of the space war only makes sense if you dont think about it.

I still hope that the whole space war/wall doesnt end in some sort of dark city plottwist. And outside of the wall there is nothing but space and the whole city has just been created or removed from earth completely and all those gods are basically just the aliens who have won the war long, long ago and are now just fucking with what is left of humanity. especially maya and akira for some weird reason.
its basically sel's plot point of why there are so few men in the story. chances are, while its "real" it will have no real affect on the story other then having a male dieI(like maki and makoto case)
 

DeSkel15

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I mean there is a space war and if they aren't fighting aliens are they fighting space itself? And if that's the case I suddenly don't feel so bad for Maki and Makoto if their loved one got murdered by a black void of nothingness.
You know, ironically, Noriko did imply the space war was an economic thing:
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It'd be kind of neat if the "gods" were just fighting eachother over space and resources in this reality, in the background. Using characters they don't need (like most men), as tools against eachother.

Considering Kumon-mi and The Pareidolia Mall seem to be living things, that grow, change, and bring things in, then there being some kind of space/resource issue wouldn't be too surprising.
 

Xiondingens

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its basically sel's plot point of why there are so few men in the story. chances are, while its "real" it will have no real affect on the story other then having a male dieI(like maki and makoto case)
But you see, the death of maki's husband didnt affect the story at all. Just the fallout it caused did.
 

Detective Dc345

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You know, ironically, Noriko did imply the space war was an economic thing:
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It'd be kind of neat if the "gods" were just fighting eachother over space and resources in this reality, in the background. Using characters they don't need (like most men), as tools against eachother.

Considering Kumon-mi and The Pareidolia Mall seem to be living things, that grow, change, and bring things in, then there being some kind of space/resource issue wouldn't be too surprising.
Mashiro got murdered by numbers?! That's even worse than getting killed by space itself.
 

Detective Dc345

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Is there a war? We have never seen it. And if you look at what we know of this space war, it seems again just be a a convinient explanation why there are barely any men in the city besides akira. Well that and the wall. Only that the wall in context of the space war only makes sense if you dont think about it.

I still hope that the whole space war/wall doesnt end in some sort of dark city plottwist. And outside of the wall there is nothing but space and the whole city has just been created or removed from earth completely and all those gods are basically just the aliens who have won the war long, long ago and are now just fucking with what is left of humanity. especially maya and akira for some weird reason.
I think you're over analyzing the bit. You'll know when something is an important plot detail and when something is a joke.
 

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We dont even know for sure if it is. Like i mentioned a while ago, memory manipulation is a thing in the story for a while now. And there is no one there who could tell if this is the actual OG maya before the time loops.
To disambiguate, I assume your "memory manipulation" means "further altering Maya's memories from the original time line in addition to the effects of removing all her experiences within the loop".

In principle, what you suggest is possible. There are, however, a few things in this update that make me think the chance of additional memory manipulation happening here is low.

- First is that from Noriko's Rivals, scenes transitioning between present and wizard age indicate that the dynamics between the two are still similar and recognizable by Noriko. Other lines in the same event such as "Right now, one of them was terrified. And the other was simply...nostalgic" and "Especially now that her brain was a brain again" to me all suggest that her memory as well as her personality are simply reverted back to a state that is complicated but chronologically existed.

- Next is that Noriko actually is a character that can tell if this is the OG Maya or not. However, the incoherence she voices out is: how Maya felt different and how Maya almost lunged at her a second time as if it was Maya's first time seeing her since ages (When the Sun Sleeps). Both can be easily chalked up to the effect of removing Maya's loop memory without further manipulating her "base memories". And since Noriko hasn't said anything additional, I am going with this is the OG Maya.

- Last thing is that from the storytelling perspective, tampering with this current Maya's memory beyond removing her experiences in the loops seems rather redundant and unnecessary. From what we've seen so far, the main purposes of this mechanism is to revise key people's memories associated with the apocalypse while create incoherence from Sensei's POV, and foreshadow the fact that Prime Maya's understanding toward the loop might be incorrect.

Since new Maya no longer holds any cosmic secret, and since there is no reference point to determine whether memories are manipulated or not like you said, I don't see a point in creating fake memories and/or personalities now from a story writing perspective when there is no one to confuse and when Sensei already thinks she is fake enough compared to the Maya he loves. Basically, why write even more fake memories when you already did a substantial personality swapping? This logic may not be stringent, but without any solid sign of memory manipulation followed by a specific purpose, I'd rather believe her memory now, without the influence of the loop, is as close as her OG state gets; otherwise the other option is a rabbit hole that considers everything is possibly fake.

If what you meant is actually "deducting loop memories from Prime Maya doesn't straight equal OG Maya", then sure this is something I would agree on and think about. Other than that, there is a lot less reason to ponder the possibility of new Maya being OG Maya plus some additional memory manipulation simply because this magical macguffin has always been on the table.
 
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