Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[aramaug]

My last observation from rewatching is that in "all for you" it clearly stated that whatever comes out of the hole in the wall is unconscious, and its eyes are closed. It is disconnected from the orb meant to move it.

Spoiler: all for you

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That it is unconscious would be an evidence against it being the Sekai we know. Some other things that may relate to this are:

One possible interpretation: Sekai is unconscious and covered in ash, i.e. darkness, because Pareidolia is controlling her. The eyes closed might also be a Pareidolia thing: HOPE/yasu talk about how Sensei needs to open his eyes, while the beach narrator and Makoto in "Bluejay" say that you can see more with your eyes closed. The orb that's supposed to move her could be "the moon", which is apparently missing and which Ami wants back more than anything. So maybe that's the "real Sekai".

All this is just pure speculation, though, and I'm still unsure whether it's talking about Sekai at all.

Spoiler: priestess of fallen snow

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I do think Wires sent this message, I wrote about some other reasons here:

Finally, the last time we saw Yasu (I don't think she's showed up since) in the dorm wars, she received some sort of divine message. The message seems to warn against "the ones you keep inside", with reference to Pareidolia (spiderwebs) and Sekai (a ghost, a moon). She finishes by saying that she needs to warn Sensei and save him.

Spoiler: Priestess of Fallen Snow

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Interestingly, there are some indications that the message comes from Wires:

• The title of the event (and Molly) refers to Yasu as "Priestess of Fallen Snow", connecting her to winter. I don't think this name has been used elsewhere.
• HOPE has been MIA for awhile, whereas Wires just recently returned in "TH15 15NT M3". The eyes and the voice also don't match how HOPE has talked through Yasu before.
• The message ends with some hex lines, including a Romeo and Juliet quote with the line "pay no worship to the garish sun". Sounds like a rejection of the light/HOPE.
• The hex message has some language (e.g. "cursed be the gentiles") that is reminiscent of the Quran stuff from "TH15 15NT M3" when Wires probably possesses Tsuneyo.

I'm a bit disappointed that it didn't really come up in Yasu's 0.41 events, though it might be the reason that she's now aware of multiple voices in Sensei's head.

Spoiler: name of girls died on this game

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Don't forget about Shiori.

 

[Nadekai]

Someone caught it, let's fucking go

Also does Sekai count as undead and thus fill the fetishes of undead/necro? I need to know if people are jerking off specifically to dead Sekai.

... I definitely am jerking to the scene of car crash ...

 

[Moonflare]

I do think Wires sent this message, I wrote about some other reasons here:

You're absolutely right, that previous post was probably somewhere on the back of my mind and it flared up when I was rewatching it. Thanks. If Wires speaks like this though, it calls into question some other times he may have spoken and we were unaware of it because it wasn't ///////////////////////////YES, I'M THE ONE WITH THE WIRES, TSUNEYO'S FATHER, AND THE CAUSE OF THE TEXAN POWER-OUTAGE.

 

[Kitty Hawk]

What is dead may never die!

 

[DyonisXX]

I don't get how old Sekai is supposed to be, she looked the same when fucking child Akira as she did when she was standing in the rain with Ami, did she just not age? Is Akira just perceiving her looking the way she did back then?

 

[Kitty Hawk]

I don't get how old Sekai is supposed to be, she looked the same when fucking child Akira as she did when she was standing in the rain with Ami, did she just not age? Is Akira just perceiving her looking the way she did back then?

She's just well preserved.

 

[Moonflare]

I don't get how old Sekai is supposed to be, she looked the same when fucking child Akira as she did when she was standing in the rain with Ami, did she just not age? Is Akira just perceiving her looking the way she did back then?

Engine limitations, she would have been around 40-45 by now I guess (only based on that she was a teacher when Akira was a kid, and Imani is on her early twenties). Akira's memories of her at the time of her death would put her at the same age he's now more or less (early thirties).

Akira (16) and Sekai (26) have Ami. 15 years later, Akira's 31 and Sekai would be 41. Would be a good guess.

You explanation is appealing though.

 

[DyonisXX]

So now that I'm more or less caught up, and not wanting to read through 2k pages of this thread, what's the general consensus on the following:

who each USER is supposed to be
is Terminal 23 Akira himself?

 

[Moonflare]

So now that I'm more or less caught up, and not wanting to read through 2k pages of this thread, what's the general consensus on the following:

who each USER is supposed to be
is Terminal 23 Akira himself?

USER1 = HOPE aka Callous
USER2 = Wires aka Calm
USER3 = Pareidolia aka Concerned
USER4 = ? (the backup to restore Nao-chan - also known as TEMPLATE9 - after 0.40 was taken from them). We've theorized some names for them like Caring, Collector and Concealed, but that's just guessing, the only thing confirmed so far is that they exist.

Akira uses Terminal23, which may be the current world we're in. Yasu makes mention in her events on 0.41 that from time to time the supernatural entities have to abandon the place they're in and move somewhere else, this may be referring to terminals.

Also, logic would dictate that since USER1 controls summer, and USER2 controls winter, and now USER3 controls Spring - USER4 would control Fall. That name would also thematically align with the dark times that are coming. It has been predicted that a cross has 4 sides, not three - and that something of absolute power is coming that will consume everything else.

This might help on evidence:

I don't know what's going on with so people assuming HOPE, Wires and Pareidolia are not USER1, 2 and 3. So I put this together to help I guess:

I haven't seen doubt regarding HOPE being USER1, so this is just evidence that HOPE is Yasu's god (other than she literally being in the church of NEW HOPE).

Spoiler: Glossolalia

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Wires = USER2 = related to Tsuneyo's father

Spoiler: word of the day

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Spoiler: there is nothing

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Spoiler: backwards dancing

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Spoiler: room with the clocks

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Pareidolia = USER3

Spoiler: trinity part 3 - non est deus

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Spoiler: ad infinitum

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DeSkel had an even more comprehensive post about this, so there is that for those that managed to master the dreaded and mythological search function.

 

[DyonisXX]

USER1 = HOPE aka Callous
USER2 = Wires aka Calm
USER3 = Pareidolia aka Concerned
USER4 = ? (the backup to restore Nao-chan - also known as TEMPLATE9 - after 0.40 was taken from them). We've theorized some names for them like Caring, Collector and Concealed, but that's just guessing, the only thing confirmed so far is that they exist.

Akira uses Terminal23, which may be the current world we're in. Yasu makes mention in her events on 0.41 that from time to time the supernatural entities have to abandon the place they're in and move somewhere else, this may be referring to terminals.

Also, logic would dictate that since USER1 controls summer, and USER2 controls winter, and now USER3 controls Spring - USER4 would control Fall. That name would also thematically align with the dark times that are coming. It has been predicted that a cross has 4 sides, not three - and that something of absolute power is coming that will consume everything else.

This might help on evidence:

What about that whole rope analogy?

Also is there a reason why they're all named after adjectives starting with C or is it a "C"oincidence

 

[Moonflare]

What about that whole rope analogy?

It's still unclear. Unfortunately, Selebus has the habit of dropping imagery and not making it clear if he stopped using them because they've been revealed or because he simply forgot about them.

At first glance, the rope seemed to be Pareidolia because at that point we only knew of Wires (nothing/darkness) and HOPE (everything/light). So, when they say there's a third player in this tug of war, that is the rope, and that it has a mind of its own - it would be logical to assume that it is USER3.

But then Pareidolia started to be confused with aspects that should have been Wires', like the darkness. And our Akira was called out for being a fraying thread of a much more complex rope (presumably the amalgamation of every Akira).

Since Selebus dropped the rope analogy, it remains unclear. Best guesses are either Pareidolia or Akira himself, but there are others, like shadow Maya or the world itself. There is an event called "first signs of fraying threads" that has Ami freaking out on Maya, and that is hard to justify if the rope was either Pareidolia or Akira, but it makes a lot of sense if the rope refers to the world itself. Anyway, we don't know.

Also is there a reason why they're all named after adjectives starting with C or is it a "C"oincidence

Not that we know of. Since it's four points of a cross, it could be the C from cross, or Christ.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Uh-oh (0.42 Preview)

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[Moonflare]

Spoiler: Uh-oh (0.42 Preview)

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Who is that? Is it Tsuneyo? I'm looking at the roadmap and trying to guess.

Spoiler: roadmap

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[Fire Lord Zuko]

Who is that? Is it Tsuneyo? I'm looking at the roadmap and trying to guess.

Spoiler: roadmap

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Definitely Tsuneyo. I think this might be one of the Main Events. She's aware of the time fuckery again so maybe it's something to do with that?

Edit: Definitely not Tsuneyo. Don't listen to me lmao. It's Chika. We got it figured out!

 

[Moonflare]

Definitely Tsuneyo. I think this might be one of the Main Events. She's becoming aware of the time fuckery again so maybe it's something to do with that?

Huh, she changed her hair. I guess we haven't seen Tsuneyo after "this isn't me", right? So this event will probably have some info regarding Wires?

Spoiler: tsuneyo's previous hair

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Holy shit, do you know what would be interesting in this event? Cause Tsuneyo experienced for herself how it was to have your body taken out of your control. And Akira said the same thing to her on the beach, when he said that he was a victim in the Molly event as well but had no one to speak to about it. Just now, they're on the same place and this time Tsuneyo knows it wasn't bullshit.

Damn, could it be that this is where Tsuneyo's romance will finally begin?? Cause even with Lavender's Green she has gotten close enough to recognize him as a husband. If it was confirmed to her that the whole thing was indeed out of his control (it sort of was with "this isn't me") then they might grow even closer!

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Huh, she changed her hair. I guess we haven't seen Tsuneyo after "this isn't me", right? So this event will probably have some info regarding Wires?

We've seen Tsuneyo since "TH15 15NT M3" (which was a 0.38 event) in the fourth Dorm Wars and also briefly at the beginning of Molly's recent "Corrupted Blood" event in 0.40:

Spoiler: Tsuneyo post 0.38

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Holy shit, do you know what would be interesting in this event? Cause Tsuneyo experienced for herself how it was to have your body taken out of your control. And Akira said the same thing to her on the beach, when he said that he was a victim in the Molly event as well but had no one to speak to about it. Just now, they're on the same place and this time Tsuneyo knows it wasn't bullshit.

Damn, could it be that this is where Tsuneyo's romance will finally begin?? Cause even with Lavender's Green she has gotten close enough to recognize him as a husband. If it was confirmed to her that the whole thing was indeed out of his control (it sort of was with "this isn't me") then they might grow even closer!

I'm fully on board with this idea and hope this is where it leads! It's gotta start somewhere, right? And I like the potential that has. Especially if Tsuneyo will be a permanent Rooftop Apocalypse Squad member going forward. I can already imagine Tsuneyo's stoic mask slipping off as she learns the truth... Kind of an exciting thought.

On a slightly separate note, is there any possibility at all that could be Chika in the preview? My gut tells me it's Tsuneyo, but admittedly it's a bit hard to tell. Chika has a similar complexion and darker hair now, so it's a possibility maybe?

 

[Moonflare]

On a slightly separate note, is there any possibility at all that could be Chika in the preview? My gut tells me it's Tsuneyo, but admittedly it's a bit hard to tell. Chika has a similar complexion and darker hair now, so it's a possibility maybe?

IT IS CHIKA!

Spoiler: chika hair

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HOLY SHIT IT'S HAPPENING, has the day finally arrived? Did she find out?

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: 0.42 Preview

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[Fire Lord Zuko]

IT IS CHIKA!

Spoiler: chika hair

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HOLY SHIT IT'S HAPPENING, has the day finally arrived? Did she find out?

Thank fuck! I've waited multiple chapters for this reveal. The time has come for Chika's denial arc to come to an end.

 

[aramaug]

Spoiler: 0.42 Preview

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Holy shit, this has to mean that Ayane is trying to add Sana, Yumi, Noriko to the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad, right? But why no Tsuneyo?