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barglenarglezous
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I'm not entirely certain that Yumi didn't kill Nodoka.
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First new Makoto event... PTSD all the event
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Any thoughts on the fateful automobile accident now that we have more descriptions? there are things that I am not sure
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I Wish I had the time to reread LiL. As the author said, LiL-theorizing needs a paradigm shift. I would have liked to craft some theories from the ground up. It is simply impossible, however. The game is just way too huge, and I am too busy.
Also, I am positive Nao / 今 is not any of those conventional gods we are familiar with (that means it is not Wires). It is an entity / godlike being not beholden to Nozomu or Wires. Though it may be in cahoots with the pareidolias (I believe there is more than one of their kind. I might have said something about it here, but I am unsure.) My current interpretation is along these lines:
The Wishing Well:
'A vast collection of universes...where all information created by man is chronicled and protected by those who created him'; i.e. a multiverse of fictional worlds, where each universe is a "human world" (humans, in this case, would not necessarily be the humans we are used to, but any kind mortal being, that is subject to fate, that is, what gods deem fitting) with defining characteristics, these specified by the narrative the gods have woven for that world, according to their whims. Though not all gods agree on how things should be for certain worlds, that is why things glitch and the like, not unlike co-authors on an editing war.
Under this view, the world of Kumon-Mi after the car crash is merely an instance of these malleable universes. I am not sure how exactly the information is being protected, considering these universes are constantly changing. I imagine there is something similar to a log that records the fucky changes the gods (and humans) make. And a reset is returning to a previous version undoing some or all modifications.
'Why do humans collect ants and place them in tiny glass boxes?':
I might be overthinking this, but this might mean humans and gods are both native to the Wishing Well, seeing humans and ants are natives of the same Earth. Likewise, ants can influence humans in a variety of ways. Gods in Kumon-Mi are affected by the actions of humans.
The library:
To me, it seems like it is a sort of nexus. Probably outside all particular instances of a universe, but still inside the Wishing Well. From there, you can access different worlds freely if capable of such. It is not amenable to humans. To stretch the allegory: the library is the brick-and-mortar building where the gods walk around. They go through its corridors and browse its shelves, reading the books (where trifling bookworms, namely: humans, dwell) for their amusement. Bookworms will die if they end up in the open world of the library.
x "I am the cataloger of what you’ve felt and what you’ll feel."
x "I am the one who dissects the impact your “actions” will have on the immediate story — then decides whether or not adjustments should be made and informs the ones concerned."
x "You may call me a guardian angel if you like, but I prefer the name Nao."
This might mean Nao is not necessarily a god per se. Perhaps a construct of one or several. I am stumped in this aspect.
I believe Nao functions as quality control. If the story gets too shitty, if the plot gets too dull or fucky: undo things. The ones concerned are the pareidolias (they are interested in how Sensei develops and his well-being, to some extent).
An example of Nao the Guardian Angel™ acting in the story would be when Sana is aided by the pareidolia in Ad Infinitum. It informed one of them, and they moved to bail Sana out. This is something I thought when I saw this:
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There is more I would like to write. Regrettably, I am short on time. I did not even play v0.31.0 yet.
Also, I am positive Nao / 今 is not any of those conventional gods we are familiar with (that means it is not Wires). It is an entity / godlike being not beholden to Nozomu or Wires. Though it may be in cahoots with the pareidolias (I believe there is more than one of their kind. I might have said something about it here, but I am unsure.) My current interpretation is along these lines:
The Wishing Well:
'A vast collection of universes...where all information created by man is chronicled and protected by those who created him'; i.e. a multiverse of fictional worlds, where each universe is a "human world" (humans, in this case, would not necessarily be the humans we are used to, but any kind mortal being, that is subject to fate, that is, what gods deem fitting) with defining characteristics, these specified by the narrative the gods have woven for that world, according to their whims. Though not all gods agree on how things should be for certain worlds, that is why things glitch and the like, not unlike co-authors on an editing war.
Under this view, the world of Kumon-Mi after the car crash is merely an instance of these malleable universes. I am not sure how exactly the information is being protected, considering these universes are constantly changing. I imagine there is something similar to a log that records the fucky changes the gods (and humans) make. And a reset is returning to a previous version undoing some or all modifications.
'Why do humans collect ants and place them in tiny glass boxes?':
I might be overthinking this, but this might mean humans and gods are both native to the Wishing Well, seeing humans and ants are natives of the same Earth. Likewise, ants can influence humans in a variety of ways. Gods in Kumon-Mi are affected by the actions of humans.
The library:
To me, it seems like it is a sort of nexus. Probably outside all particular instances of a universe, but still inside the Wishing Well. From there, you can access different worlds freely if capable of such. It is not amenable to humans. To stretch the allegory: the library is the brick-and-mortar building where the gods walk around. They go through its corridors and browse its shelves, reading the books (where trifling bookworms, namely: humans, dwell) for their amusement. Bookworms will die if they end up in the open world of the library.
x "I am the cataloger of what you’ve felt and what you’ll feel."
x "I am the one who dissects the impact your “actions” will have on the immediate story — then decides whether or not adjustments should be made and informs the ones concerned."
x "You may call me a guardian angel if you like, but I prefer the name Nao."
This might mean Nao is not necessarily a god per se. Perhaps a construct of one or several. I am stumped in this aspect.
I believe Nao functions as quality control. If the story gets too shitty, if the plot gets too dull or fucky: undo things. The ones concerned are the pareidolias (they are interested in how Sensei develops and his well-being, to some extent).
An example of Nao the Guardian Angel™ acting in the story would be when Sana is aided by the pareidolia in Ad Infinitum. It informed one of them, and they moved to bail Sana out. This is something I thought when I saw this:
View attachment itgoesdeeper20.webp
View attachment mothersmilk8.webp
There is more I would like to write. Regrettably, I am short on time. I did not even play v0.31.0 yet.
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Considering both Chapters 1 and 2 ended with resets, and each contained 2 resets, the safe assumption (as safe as any assumption is with this game, at least) is that Chapter 3 will end with the next reset -- which is probably not until end of yeaer at the earliest, considering we just had a reset.
And that is also going to be the "THat which you were not meant to have" deadline, so yeah, when Chapter 3 ends, shits hitting a bunch of fans.
JelF547
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I mean, is it possible that there is no next chapter at all? Escalation has it's limits and things in chapter 3 are escalating really quickly. Many story arcs are close to their endings, especialy first floor.
barglenarglezous
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Based on the outline Selebus has given us, the end of chapter 3 would mark the beginning of the second act/phase.
JelF547
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Thanks, it explains the omens. And second phase sounds like most patterns we used to would be broken
By the way, it used to be roughtly 4 patches between resets. v0.31.0 was second, so 6th reset would likely be in autumn
barglenarglezous
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We're in the "harem phase" right now, when the next phase starts, it'll be the "dark phase," which is going to feel almost like a genre shift. I'd been expecting it to be a bloody mess, but Maya's warning reinforces that. Third phase is "purity routes," which are single-character endings for all 35 girls, followed by a True Ending (that has been confirmed by the dev to NOT be a harem ending).
Chapter 3 start to most recent reset spanned from 25p1 to .29, but it also took damned near a whole year to get there because of the various interruptions and breaks. I failed to account for that in my estimation. Assuming no interruptions, if it's five full version numbers again, we'd be looking at September for the start of Chapter 4.
Any thoughts on Rin's bio-mom? The details we get: weird brain trauma, pregnant too young, mysterious man that disappears; it kind of stands out. But it doesn't really match with any characters we've met so far, and we shouldn't be getting more characters. I am insufficiently intelligent to make a guess here.
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I thought Kaori because I though she was 28, but she is 22 and would be 8 when Rin was born so probably not.
I need a 0.30 Save, for some reason my saves dissapeared AGAIN after using DRM patch previously, I'm gonna start copying saves, I shouldve started earlier...
I hope someone can come in clutch
I hope someone can come in clutch
barglenarglezous
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I don't think the mother herself is the important takeaway from that conversation. I think the father was -- with the implication being that it was Nozomu (as it was for Sara).
I honeslty thought first of Yasu, not as Rin's mother, but as the same personality type that's being described. I can't remember if Yasu ever talked about her parents, though.
The fact that she seemed crazy stood out to me the most, since it seems extraneous to explaining why she couldn't keep Rin and why probably-Nozomu left. Maybe it's establishing a pattern; that Nozomu either sought out crazy/spirit-touched girls, or was causing them to become insane.
barglenarglezous
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Older man seeking out young, emotionally vulnerable women. That's not at all a trait that runs in the Arakawa family.
Does anybody know if there's a list of what's in the next few updates?
KnowNoHope
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sara is the only one that fits the description, but she kept her other kids soooooooo
but if you want to go by eye color none of the older women match
i'd just say we haven't meet them yet