Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

I feel like everyone has pointed out good enough reasons for people to jump ship - it's just that, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, since we're all still playing the game - but maybe they thought of LiL as a different kind of story?

Spoiler: why I don't have a problem with it

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Short version:

Although, it might be less so the Wizard stuff, and more so how it is seemingly required, to choose to go after a wizard, to get an all green path (not have crossed out events). The lack of a scapegoat may be the problem.

I think this is the main thing, the fact that the game in which most of things are not up to the player made this up to the player. I will say this though, to me personally, taking that choice isn't even about wanting to see wizard content or not - it's about wanting to see the story Selebus wants to tell or not.

I will see everything he wants or may want to include in his story, and if the story is destroyed because of it, I'll add that on my review. I'm not Akira and Selebus supposed rants towards the player are as meaningless as his Raid Shadow Legends stuff to me, I don't need a scapegoat for my choices because this is not an rpg, it's a book with occasional badly written and short-lived alternate dialogues - In fact, I'd rather that the second choice in the Tsukasa event just crashed your game or something, but maybe he gave players the choice exactly so they wouldn't have a scapegoat.

All in all, let him put whatever he wants in his story and I'll read it, if it will hold up when everything is said and done, or we'll agree that it was unnecessary in its eulogy is for another day.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Cause as I see it, LiL is not a "porn game" in the sense of what people generally expect of this genre. It is a very fucked up story of a broken person, groomed by a predator, that tries to become better and yet everytime he does the world smacks him in the head. And yet through all this crap we have some moments like his smile having Ami as a daughter and it makes it somehow worth it.

This game is still what you're describing, he's trying to get better but needs to tackle things one by one.
The one thing he hasn't tackled yet is his proclination towards magic and wizardry, how else is he going to confront it unless we get an event like Tsukasa's recently?
People are dumb and hipocrites and can't take something at face value

 

[TheSeedy1]

Yeah I think that's why I keep hanging in too despite those misgivings - the story craftsmanship is very good and its telling a story of someone subjected to terrible things who is also terrible but finding these moments where he comes up to breathe again. And when he does that, there's some really cool things that occur.

It's just natural I think to be hella leery with that content and for good reason but it's being used less like a "Hee hee fetish" hook and more of a "This shit is traumatic and wrong and you're not out of the woods yet my dude"

And I can just hide in the fun of Chika and Niki shenanigans *snerk*

Edit: And Molly's comments about how she's growing and drifting further from lolidom is fucking hilarious no matter how you slice it.

 

[Bingoogus]

I've been pretty forthright with my enjoyment of fucked up fiction and nothing this game has shown or is likely to show will ever stop me playing it. That being said... i was pretty icked at how Akira hallucinated Tsukasa as nothing but an onahole on a pedestal. Being someone who will laugh his ass off at a scene of her getting buttfucked and yet still getting icked by that scene... i don't at all struggle to imagine how some people could handle the game up until that point and so it's not hard to transfer that understanding to the various other points in the game where wizard content appears. For some people, even something as innocent as Chinami in the bath could be too ick to continue, for others, Sekai molesting wizard Akira might've been the line, and i fully expect a bunch of people to drop the game the moment we get an actual wizard sex scene in the present time with present Akira.

 

[Moonflare]

Edit: And Molly's comments about how she's growing and drifting further from lolidom is fucking hilarious no matter how you slice it.

Exactly! - No one's ever telling me this shit ain't real growth (also funny and wholesome)

Spoiler: fated to love you

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Also even Pareidolia is like daaaaaaaaaamn son lol

Spoiler: level one

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[DeSkel15]

I feel like everyone has pointed out good enough reasons for people to jump ship - it's just that, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, since we're all still playing the game - but maybe they thought of LiL as a different kind of story?

Spoiler: why I don't have a problem with it

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Short version:


I think this is the main thing, the fact that the game in which most of things are not up to the player made this up to the player. I will say this though, to me personally, taking that choice isn't even about wanting to see wizard content or not - it's about wanting to see the story Selebus wants to tell or not.

I will see everything he wants or may want to include in his story, and if the story is destroyed because of it, I'll add that on my review. I'm not Akira and Selebus supposed rants towards the player are as meaningless as his Raid Shadow Legends stuff to me, I don't need a scapegoat for my choices because this is not an rpg, it's a book with occasional badly written and short-lived alternate dialogues - In fact, I'd rather that the second choice in the Tsukasa event just crashed your game or something, but maybe he gave players the choice exactly so they wouldn't have a scapegoat.

All in all, let him put whatever he wants in his story and I'll read it, if it will hold up when everything is said and done, or we'll agree that it was unnecessary in its eulogy is for another day.

As for the Maya Sensei Victim stuff, there's also how Maya is implied to have been broken before Sensei took her in and their relationship started.

Maya Prime even described their attachment happening due to them both being pretty fucked up:

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Not that being "fucked up" justifies anything fucked up, but it's hard to say Sensei is the one who fucked up Maya because of this. He seemed to just have fucked her.

Maya has also teased prostitution before, and finding another to fuck her, so if it wasn't Sensei, it'd probably just be someone else:

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Of course, Maya fucking up Sensei, as has been implied, is another story (albeit, she couldn't even do that if he wasn't already a mess). I do have to wonder though, if Sensei would have simply preyed upon Noriko instead, if Maya never showed up. The recent way he seems to see Tsukasa as Wizard Noriko is...suspect. Maybe even Ami (or Ayane?) if Maya wasn't there to keep him "busy" over the years.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Hopping on the profile picture trend but unfortunately the best part is always cut out

Maya is cut out in my new one and Sensei's gun was cut out in the last one

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Also I hope the sudden influx of profile pic changes doesn't confuse Bingoogus.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

The problem of LiL is Selebus, who continiously attempts to normalize it to reader, and who makes questionable rants like "You are literally fucking schoolgirls, why do you think fucking loli would make it worse".

Not in the discord, but sometimes I wonder if this ridiculous argument he made was only meant for those who wanted him to drop future wizard content by claiming “bc wizard sexual content is illegal ”. I probably wouldn’t budge as well if I saw weak arguments like those and was full of myself at the same time.

 

[JelF547]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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[Detective Dc345]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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Shit I forgot today was Monday

 

[Bingoogus]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

How did you get them if 'our agent' hadn't hmmmmmmmm?

 

[Moonflare]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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what is even happening??

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I'm excited!

 

[DeSkel15]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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Is Yasu...actually getting shit done?...Holy shit:

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I'm even more hyped now.

 

[JelF547]

Is Yasu...actually getting shit done?...

Yasu is getting holy shit done

 

[Bingoogus]

Yasu is getting holy shit done

Oh, and he ignores my comment... very suspicious... you know, i've never seen JelF547 and Dc345 in the same room at the same time... has anyone? Both have only a handful of letters and three numbers in their username... veeeery suspicious if you ask me...

Edit: Omg! Look at the numbers, 547 and 345, 547345! 54 73 45! a numerical palindrome broken by a prime number made of prime numbers, 7, 3, 73! And guess what, 73 is the 21st prime number and what do you get when you multiply 7 and 3? It's a clue! DeSkelly! Moonflare! Crack your knuckles and start theory crafting on this, i know i'm on to something!

 

[BlackDays]

Oh, and he ignores my comment... very suspicious... you know, i've never seen JelF547 and Dc345 in the same room at the same time... has anyone? Both have only a handful of letters and three numbers in their username... veeeery suspicious if you ask me...

Not as suspicious as

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[Moonflare]

I'd like to see Tsuneyo show up, but considering Yasu isn't a fan of Wires,

I'd think Rin would show up as well considering she's "chosen", but I guess we'll see.

Now that you mention it, it would be interesting to see whether what Tsuneyo (while naked) was saying was Wires or HOPE. Cause if it was HOPE, we'll probably see something about it in this gathering - and if not, it would be the first confirmed possession by Wires (something that he's said to never do).

Actually - I just remembered there was a discussion about this at Tojo Ramen at some point, I think it was with Kaori (or Noriko?) even. Something about saving people or not saving them if it was against their will (could be relevant).

Also, given the people that gathered, if I'm not mistaken Touka said something to Yasu about healthier ways to evangelize, that's probably why she's there. Sana humours her already, Nodoka would jump at this and Akira is Akira. Kaori however seems to arrive without the party and maybe wasn't even invited, but sent there (?) - I wonder if HOPE is allowing these people to enter, or Yasu's just doing it since their connection is severed.

Also I quoted the Rin part just because if I was a god I'd choose Rin too, so yeah. Jokes aside, given that Sana is there it could also shine some light about HOPE being involved or not in Akira fingering her, and consequently white dress Sekai's allegiance.

 

[DeSkel15]

what is even happening??

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I'm excited!

Interestingly, all that are there (besides Kaori?) has expressed interest in hearing Yasu out.

Nodoka even thanked her for explaining the sky tendril stuff:

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It somewhat seems like Yasu is trying to get whoever might listen to her, together, to talk about the horrible changes that are coming:

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Although, Nodoka apparently being allowed in the New Hope Church aka "Chosen", is not something I saw coming. Then again, Yasu's god is presumably asleep, so that may play a factor. She's kind of on her own it seems.

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Why does nobody steal Selebus' previews? Did our agent unsubscribed as well?

Spoiler: 0.41

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I knew this next update was destined to be a banger. Leave it to Yasu to make things happen.

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I'd think Rin would show up as well considering she's "chosen", but I guess we'll see.

Well, Rin does have 1 event in 0.41. So perhaps there’s hope HOPE.

 

[DeSkel15]

Now that you mention it, it would be interesting to see whether what Tsuneyo was saying was Wires or HOPE. Cause if it was HOPE, we'll probably see something about it in this gathering - and if not, it would be the first confirmed possession by Wires (something that he's said to never do).

Actually - I just remembered there was a discussion about this at Tojo Ramen at some point, I think it was with Kaori (or Noriko?) even. Something about saving people or not saving them if it was against their will (could be relevant).

Also, given the people that gathered, if I'm not mistaken Touka said something to Yasu about healthier ways to evangelize, that's probably why she's there. Sana humours her already, Nodoka would jump at this and Akira is Akira. Kaori however, seems to arrive without the party and maybe wasn't even invited, but sent there (?).

Also I quoted the Rin part just because if I was a god I'd choose Rin too, so yeah. Jokes aside, given that Sana is there it could also shine some light about HOPE being involved or not in Akira fingering him, and consequently white dress Sekai's allegiance.

Lol, kind of responded to this in my last post, but to add to it, I definitely don't think HOPE would have power over Tsuneyo. The resets barely even affect her considering she was still fine while Maya, Ayane, and Yumi got Tshaped:

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Tsuneyo may have been possessed prior, though, and it was due to Sensei and Yuki getting close to her father:

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Assuming her father is related to USER2/Wires, it seems like she's able to be controlled or weaponized by it, if needed.

Kaori and Tsuneyo also never get along. Chapter 1 Tsuneyo Event:

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Chapter 3 Kaori Event:

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Tsuneyo has thought about snapping Kaori's neck due to Kaori seemingly stalking her:

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Back in Tsuneyo's Chapter 1 'The Man Who Loves Nothing' Event if I recall correctly.