Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Jeraviel]

Putting some stray thoughts down.

Io mentioned the ways people typically respond to childhood sexual abuse -- hypersexuality and sexual revulsion. this has got me thinking.

Nozomu fucked the world into existence. Did he abuse Sekai? Is Sekai the way she is because of what Nozomu did to her? After all Sekai is the World (literal translation). Then he died.

If Sekai was just another victim in the past, this could honestly ruin her character for me.
Even before she started appearing as a ghost and puppeteering Akira once more, she was always a very scary entity for me, on par with the other Gods and angels

She always felt like more than just a predator, more than just a poet, more than just a mother. A genius who became a monster because of her twisted desires and fantasies, corrupting everyone around her, someone who would use and discard people on a whim, keeping Nozomu and Akira as her favorites. Someone who not even death was enough to get rid of her.

If she is just another victim who became the perpetrator/predator, that would be boring. the cycle of violence & abuse and revenge is bad and bla bla bla bla fuck that

 

[Moonflare]

Spoiler: Io Reflection

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I have written such a long post about this that I hardly have anything else to say. However, if we are to focus on how this can go into the future, well, I don't think it necessarily will go badly tbh. Which is not saying she'll be fixed by sex either. There's a middleground here.

Spoiler: how may Io and Uta react to this?

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Edit: And yeah, stomachache definitely happens in real life.

 

[Riolol]

Spoiler: Io

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Edit: Don't act like you won't be doing the same.

 

[Bingoogus]

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[Moonflare]

Spoiler: Io

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Edit: Don't act like you won't be doing the same.

I will definitely be doing the same. First thought I had with Maki's lust name was Masahiro. I'm here to break the world whenever I can and look for clues amid the wreckage

On a serious note though, do you know what really disturbs me about Io's background? Her father. Cause from her explanation, he never participated (also because she's not afraid of men). And from "maybe he killed them both by now", he was not okay with it either. At least not fully. She doesn't say "maybe my mother killed herself", she says "maybe my father killed them both". I read this as her mother never repenting, but her father probably had visible enough guilt for her to consider this possibility. Yeah, another fucked up point in a fucked up story.

 

[Riolol]

I will definitely be doing the same. First thought I had with Maki's lust name was Masahiro. I'm here to break the world whenever I can and look for clues amid the wreckage

On a serious note though, do you know what really disturbs me about Io's background? Her father. Cause from her explanation, he never participated (also because she's not afraid of men). And from "maybe he killed them both by now", he was not okay with it either. At least not fully. She doesn't say "maybe my mother killed herself", she says "maybe my father killed them both". I read this as her mother never repenting, but her father probably had visible enough guilt for her to consider this possibility. Yeah, another fucked up point in a fucked up story.

She called him "silent" or something like that which to implied to me he stood by and didn't say anything while she was being abused.

 

[Jeraviel]

I have written such a long post about this that I hardly have anything else to say. However, if we are to focus on how this can go into the future, well, I don't think it necessarily will go badly tbh. Which is not saying she'll be fixed by sex either. There's a middleground here.

Spoiler: how may Io and Uta react to this?

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Edit: And yeah, stomachache definitely happens in real life.

I don't know, I still think this is too much of a wish-fullthinking situation. I'm not saying you are delusional or wrong, but what I'm saying is that if Selebus decides to go down that route I might scoff at it.

Spoiler: Io's response

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[Nadekai]

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... blasphemy ... !!!

 

[Fire Lord Zuko]

Oh… I reached my reaction limit. That’s the first time that’s happened to me.

This update must have done things to me.

Maya's so fucking adorable! And she actually put on her shrine outfit to seduce him !! I wonder if that's her plan to get her man back, I can totally see her doing that. That's a very Maya reaction as being his girlfriend for years and suddenly finding out there's like 20 girls trying to have sex with him.

I wonder though if that's her reaction to finding out he's cheating, or a reaction just to that possibility. Or just to Niki being near him tbh.

I can totally see this being her reaction to Niki tbh. She’s already vocally voiced her disdain and insecurities for Niki, even after her memories were reset.

With Niki having 2 upcoming events, her trying to move in, and also become a mother figure for Ami? Oh yeah. Plenty of potential drama there.

On a different note, I wonder how Akira or even Noriko will look at New Maya and approach her from now on… Akira now has a sliver of hope after his convo with Noriko at the convenience store, and Noriko… well… Noriko literally saw Maya Prime and visited the Wishing Well in DEN OF THE MOLE RAT.

To retread on some others’ thoughts, I think Noriko will be something special in the near future… An MVP of the chapter if you will:

I hope it’s Noriko tbh. It would make sense given her connection to Maya and also the fact she’s suspicious about her recent change in behavior. So yeah, maybe she’ll be able to provide something profound to the plot this chapter. Who knows?

Noriko’s had it rough lately, anyway. She deserves some love.

 

[Nadekai]

Oh… I reached my reaction limit. That’s the first time that’s happened to me.

This update must have done things to me.


I can totally see this being her reaction to Niki tbh. She’s already vocally voiced her disdain and insecurities for Niki, even after her memories were reset.

With Niki having 2 upcoming events, her trying to move in, and also become a mother figure for Ami? Oh yeah. Plenty of potential drama there.

On a different note, I wonder how Akira or even Noriko will look at New Maya and approach her from now on… Akira now has a sliver of hope after his convo with Noriko at the convenience store, and Noriko… well… Noriko literally saw Maya Prime and visited the Wishing Well in DEN OF THE MOLE RAT.

To retread on some others’ thoughts, I think Noriko will be something special in the near future… An MVP of the chapter if you will:

... Wouldn't it be funny if Noriko also got fucked out of existence in exchange for Maya this chapter ... ?

 

[Pedro4545454]

Oh… I reached my reaction limit. That’s the first time that’s happened to me.

This update must have done things to me.


I can totally see this being her reaction to Niki tbh. She’s already vocally voiced her disdain and insecurities for Niki, even after her memories were reset.

With Niki having 2 upcoming events, her trying to move in, and also become a mother figure for Ami? Oh yeah. Plenty of potential drama there.

On a different note, I wonder how Akira or even Noriko will look at New Maya and approach her from now on… Akira now has a sliver of hope after his convo with Noriko at the convenience store, and Noriko… well… Noriko literally saw Maya Prime and visited the Wishing Well in DEN OF THE MOLE RAT.

To retread on some others’ thoughts, I think Noriko will be something special in the near future… An MVP of the chapter if you will:

Bro, Noriko has a place saved in heaven because for God's sake, what a kind girl. Noriko knows that Akira loves Maya and Noriko now knows that Maya is going through the same thing as Akira with the loss of memories and that Akira doesn't want to be close to Maya and instead of her taking advantage of that to make Akira love her more than Maya, she goes there and decides to help Akira have faith that the Maya she loves can come back and she will even help bring Maya back. bro Noriko is an angel.

... Wouldn't it be funny if Noriko also got fucked out of existence in exchange for Maya this chapter ... ?

In fact, there is a high chance that Noriko will sacrifice herself to be in Maya's place since Noriko is very altruistic and she cares a lot about Akira and Maya and in her view, she will most likely think that it is better for her to be in prison. in that place than Maya since Maya has a more important role in Akira's life.

 

[Moonflare]

If Sekai was just another victim in the past, this could honestly ruin her character for me.
Even before she started appearing as a ghost and puppeteering Akira once more, she was always a very scary entity for me, on par with the other Gods and angels

She always felt like more than just a predator, more than just a poet, more than just a mother. A genius who became a monster because of her twisted desires and fantasies, corrupting everyone around her, someone who would use and discard people on a whim, keeping Nozomu and Akira as her favorites. Someone who not even death was enough to get rid of her.

If she is just another victim who became the perpetrator/predator, that would be boring. the cycle of violence & abuse and revenge is bad and bla bla bla bla fuck that

Wakana definitely treats her as if she was a plague, a larger than life contaminant. And I see the appeal of Sekai being this absolute evil, a true malevolent person that simply is (which definitely exists to some degree). However, there are two points to this.

Spoiler: Sekai stuff

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I don't know, I still think this is too much of a wish-fullthinking situation. I'm not saying you are delusional or wrong, but what I'm saying is that if Selebus decides to go down that route I might scoff at it.

Spoiler: Io's response

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At no point during her first events for this update Akira gave her the idea he wanted to have sex with her. In fact, he tries to leave multiple times. The whole conversation was about her forcing her points on him. When she offers sex, it's a direct response to believing that it's the only way to keep him with her. And that if he refuses, it means he's going to leave her. She's not letting it happen, she's counting on it happening because in her mind it's the way things have to go for him to remain with her. But that's her idea, not Akira's.

Spoiler: stomachache

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Now, we're all adults, and from the reaction to the event, I think it's safe to say most of us understand that Io's out of her mind. The correct decision is not to engage in her damaged view of the situation, and to prove to her through actions that there is a third way. That way is not having sex with her and proceed to not abandoning her regardless. But we're not talking about how we view the situation, we're talking about how Io does.

I don't even see where we diverge so much in our take of the situation, because you basically explained exactly why she thinks this is a transaction but concluded by saying it's not a transaction. "I was already trash, and this person now knows the part of me I most despise, and didn't want him to find out. The only thing he's interested in is sex, that's the one thing I have left to give. Let's get it over with, this is the only path forward for him to stay with me, and for some reason, I can't bear not having him." That's her logic, it's her last resort transaction.

 

[Comiies]

Bro, Noriko has a place saved in heaven because for God's sake, what a kind girl. Noriko knows that Akira loves Maya and Noriko now knows that Maya is going through the same thing as Akira with the loss of memories and that Akira doesn't want to be close to Maya and instead of her taking advantage of that to make Akira love her more than Maya, she goes there and decides to help Akira have faith that the Maya she loves can come back and she will even help bring Maya back. bro Noriko is an angel.


In fact, there is a high chance that Noriko will sacrifice herself to be in Maya's place since Noriko is very altruistic and she cares a lot about Akira and Maya and in her view, she will most likely think that it is better for her to be in prison. in that place than Maya since Maya has a more important role in Akira's life.

Norikos ending will be in my top 3(Maya ayane and Noriko)

 

[Comiies]

Wakana definitely treats her as if she was a plague, a larger than life contaminant. And I see the appeal of Sekai being this absolute evil, a true malevolent person that simply is (which definitely exists to some degree). However, there are two points to this.

Spoiler: Sekai stuff

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At no point during her first events for this update Akira gave her the idea he wanted to have sex with her. In fact, he tries to leave multiple times. The whole conversation was about her forcing her points on him. When she offers sex, it's a direct response to believing that it's the only way to keep him with her. And that if he refuses, it means he's going to leave her. She's not letting it happen, she's counting on it happening because in her mind it's the way things have to go for him to remain with her. But that's her idea, not Akira's.

Spoiler: stomachache

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Now, we're all adults, and from the reaction to the event, I think it's safe to say most of us understand that Io's out of her mind. The correct decision is not to engage in her damaged view of the situation, and to prove to her through actions that there is a third way. That way is not having sex with her and proceed to not abandoning her regardless. But we're not talking about how we view the situation, we're talking about how Io does.

I don't even see where we diverge so much in our take of the situation, because you basically explained exactly why she thinks this is a transaction but concluded by saying it's not a transaction. "I was already trash, and this person now knows the part of me I most despise, and didn't want him to find out. The only thing he's interested in is sex, that's the one thing I have left to give. Let's get it over with, this is the only path forward for him to stay with me, and for some reason, I can't bear not having him." That's her logic, it's her last resort transaction.

You know ive thought about the possibility of Sekai being not as bad as i thought so in the past.And while yes technically we dont have any solid proof to say that Sekai is 100% evil we still do have her actions.So lets do a deep dive.

Lets start with the basics.Sekai is Amis mother and Nozomus wife.She broke off with her family(Even to the point that she rejected their last name) for unknown reasons and she,as you said tried to find hapiness through Nozomu.Ofc for whatever reason Nozomu was unable to provide her that hapiness so she tried to find something else to latch on to(Pay attention now since Sekai in this moment of time seems like a normal deeply traumatized woman desperate for the pain to stop).What she found was 2 children.The first one was Ami,which she loved and cared for dearly(We know that both from the fact that she herself talked about how much she loved her AND by how Ami describes her,plus iirc Ami has said that she looked up to her and she wanted to be like her((Which would explain her taking care of Akira in his coma and previous similar experience and her being attracted to broken people and bla bla)) and Akira.Now im not sure why Akira was special but for now thats irrelevant.The cut and dry version is this.She abused Akira from a very young age(grade school probably since we know that she was a teacher in a school through those happy events,Akiras room being that of a child and the fact that he was doing homework AND Sekai was helping him with it) and used him as a muse for her poems(Which through Wakana we know how disgusting they are).You can make the argument that for whatever reason THIS was the only way Sekai was capable of showing her love.I can neither confirm nor deny that since we dont know anything but the fact of the matter is this.Sekai is undeniably evil,and the reasons that she did what she did to Akira are irrelevant.

EDIT:Re-reading this it sounds like im actively attacking you or smt.Please dont take it the wrong way,im just making conversation!

 

[Moonflare]

You know ive thought about the possibility of Sekai being not as bad as i thought so in the past.And while yes technically we dont have any solid proof to say that Sekai is 100% evil we still do have her actions.So lets do a deep dive.

Lets start with the basics.Sekai is Amis mother and Nozomus wife.She broke off with her family(Even to the point that she rejected their last name) for unknown reasons and she,as you said tried to find hapiness through Nozomu.Ofc for whatever reason Nozomu was unable to provide her that hapiness so she tried to find something else to latch on to(Pay attention now since Sekai in this moment of time seems like a normal deeply traumatized woman desperate for the pain to stop).What she found was 2 children.The first one was Ami,which she loved and cared for dearly(We know that both from the fact that she herself talked about how much she loved her AND by how Ami describes her,plus iirc Ami has said that she looked up to her and she wanted to be like her((Which would explain her taking care of Akira in his coma and previous similar experience and her being attracted to broken people and bla bla)) and Akira.Now im not sure why Akira was special but for now thats irrelevant.The cut and dry version is this.She abused Akira from a very young age(grade school probably since we know that she was a teacher in a school through those happy events,Akiras room being that of a child and the fact that he was doing homework AND Sekai was helping him with it) and used him as a muse for her poems(Which through Wakana we know how disgusting they are).You can make the argument that for whatever reason THIS was the only way Sekai was capable of showing her love.I can neither confirm nor deny that since we dont know anything but the fact of the matter is this.Sekai is undeniably evil,and the reasons that she did what she did to Akira are irrelevant.

EDIT:Re-reading this it sounds like im actively attacking you or smt.Please dont take it the wrong way,im just making conversation!

Well, yes. I'm not saying it's acceptable for a broken person to have sex with a child. In that sense, she's evil, yes. However, the notion I was replying to wasn't that.

It was proposed that "if Sekai had also suffered abuse, then it would ruin her character", because she would cease being this eldritch abomination that was spawned to corrupt the world and bring about destruction, but another cog in a cycle of "abusee" becoming abuser. It's understandable in a sense, because real evil exists. And by that I mean that simply there are people that had the most wonderful childhoods, no trauma whatsoever to speak of, and they're malevolent by nature.

I'm fine either way. However, as the story is going, we have hints that Sekai might have a background in which she also suffered some trauma. I personally don't feel like that makes a difference tbh. Akira's situation is still up in the air, we need more info on the Wizard Maya stuff. Which will still be wrong, but might be "less bad"? What Sekai did, as you put it, is damning enough that it doesn't really matter - she was a predator in the truer sense of the word.

Edit: Also, I like your posts, we're more than good.

 

[Vega Cifer]

Actually, for the Haruka/Rin events, you need to be in the haruka sex path

Oh really? Good thing i'm on that then don't wanna miss it. One of my greatest fears, missing events

 

[Riolol]

Oh really? Good thing i'm on that then don't wanna miss it. One of my greatest fears, missing events

Did you trade nudes with Otoha? That's also a requirement for the Rin event.

 

[Moonflare]

Did you trade nudes with Otoha? That's also a requirement for the Rin event.

It's not, there's a check and if you haven't, you miss her confession/new agreement but the event goes on. They'll likely miss a Rin nude on the next update though. I apologise if that's what you meant by requirement.

 

[Riolol]

It's not, there's a check and if you haven't, you miss her confession/new agreement but the event goes on. They'll likely miss a Rin nude on the next update though. I apologise if that's what you meant by requirement.

Oh my bad, I just assumed it was.

 

[Comiies]

Well, yes. I'm not saying it's acceptable for a broken person to have sex with a child. In that sense, she's evil, yes. However, the notion I was replying to wasn't that.

It was proposed that "if Sekai had also suffered abuse, then it would ruin her character", because she would cease being this eldritch abomination that was spawned to corrupt the world and bring about destruction, but another cog in a cycle of "abusee" becoming abuser. It's understandable in a sense, because real evil exists. And by that I mean that simply there are people that had the most wonderful childhoods, no trauma whatsoever to speak of, and they're malevolent by nature.

I'm fine either way. However, as the story is going, we have hints that Sekai might have a background in which she also suffered some trauma. I personally don't feel like that makes a difference tbh. Akira's situation is still up in the air, we need more info on the Wizard Maya stuff. Which will still be wrong, but might be "less bad"? What Sekai did, as you put it, is damning enough that it doesn't really matter - she was a predator in the truer sense of the word.

Edit: Also, I like your posts, we're more than good.

Ah mb then i failed the reading coprehention check.Yea i agree Sel pulling the "Oh my poor baby she was just a victim" card would be a terrible decition.