Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

Ayane being a "coward" and only fighting when she knows she's got supernatural backing is one thing (that I don't necessarily agree with, but can see), but saying that she was bullying Ami is way too far for me. Ami's behavior upon being slapped, and the way she reacts later, isn't cohesive with a weak girl behaving so that her bully doesn't mistreat her.

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Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:

Ayane, Maya, and Sensei are trying to keep Ami from finding out about the resets, and continously do things behind her back that she can't ignore throughout Chapter 3.

For example, Ayane "borderline" kidnaps Sensei right in front of Ami while she has to work in Ayane's 'How The World Works' Chapter 3 Event:

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Ayane and Maya also seemed to start hanging out without Ami, including at the Shrine:

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and basically since the beginning of Chapter 3, Ami made it rather clear she noticed they were acting different:

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Even Tsuneyo seemed to pick up that Ayane changed:

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Albeit, she's far more perceptive than she let's on.

Overall: This all seemed to translate to Ami thinking that her friends are intentionally leaving her out of things, which well, they were, and they are not exactly good at hiding it.

And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

 

[Moonflare]

Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

Well, I heavily disagree. But I don't think there's anything to be gained from continuing this either. Both points have been fairly presented. We don't have to agree in everything.

 

[Comiies]

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The second symposium is a FUTABA EVENT? Ok, I was not expecting that. I guess DeSkel is going to have a party with Futaba being more relevant now. Also, I wonder who's going to be the third then. Since it was Noriko first, now Futaba, who will be the third girl.

Also, this kind of throws a wrench into the plan of having Noriko joining the RAS (or at least saving Maya by herself), since she'll probably just have one supernatural event rather than three. If it follows the pattern of one symposium per update, then the next one would be one of these girls:

Spoiler: 0.43

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I guess either Sana, Makoto or Yumi would make the most sense. But if it follows the idea of involving a girl in the supernatural that wasn't before, then we'd have Chika, Touka, Miku or Karin. I wonder if it's Touka, since Selebus mentioned a possible animation between her and Yasu, and that'd have to be something supernatural to make that happen imo.

Im calling so many dips on Touka man you cant even imagine.My thought process is this.Karin has no reason to help Akira after what he did,Miku is too weak too do anything and Chika WILL break at the notion of Akira fucking other girls.So yes,Touka.

 

[Moonflare]

Im calling so many dips on Touka man you cant even imagine.My thought process is this.Karin has no reason to help Akira after what he did,Miku is too weak too do anything and Chika WILL break at the notion of Akira fucking other girls.So yes,Touka.

It would be interesting if Touka's first venture into the supernatural side of things confirmed some things we've been theorizing about Tsubasa (there are two events for her on the same update).

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Futaba Event Title

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I have no idea as to why Futaba was autocorrected to Futa when I was typing that out

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

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[Breadtaker]

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

This is way too dismissive of how Ami behaved in this event. The dorm war competition between Ayane and Yasu was a VERY bad and dangerous idea. True, that wasn't Ami idea but upon being given the role of escorting Ayane into the woods and awknowledging that she was scared and even trembling what does Ami do? Takes her much deeper into the woods than she's meant to and tries to take this opportunity probe Ayane for information and leverage her friendship to control her. She leaves her noticeably frightened friend alone in the woods without a comforting or encouraging word.

At the 12 hour mark Yasu returns. Touka is the only one with any sense to understand that this competition was a mistake. Maya is worried and asks if they should go looking for Ayane now that the competition is over. Ami (who again, is aware of the state Ayane was in) says they should give her more time and leave her be.

This is an actual emergency. Ayane is lost. Scared. Without food or clean water. No way to call for help. Could be unconcious, dead, or dying and Ami's response is to let her stew a bit longer. And by I bit longer, I mean at least another 12 hours becasue...

Ayane doesn't get back until nearly 24 hours into the event. No food, water, or shelter. No one went looking for her. Only after literal divine intervention rescued her did she get back. Ami feigns innocence and concern. Ami is trying to see how much she can get away with, how much she can push Ayane. Ayane confronts her. Ami still keeps up the act, then she gets slapped.

Its a slap, it's not nodoka getting her shit wrecked or even equal to the life threatening situation Ayane was in. Ami is fine. Ayane has discovered a way to deal with people who try to walk all over her and it has worked twice. I wouldn't call her a bully when she's just standing up to people who want to control her.

Even if by some miracle Ami is innocent, it doesn't change how this looks from Ayane or Maya's point of view and this is all just a misunderstanding at worst.

 

[aramaug]

Ayane literally threatened to keep hitting Ami if she didn't do what she wanted:

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Not to mention lying straight to her face while trying to gaslight her. That's the bullying I'm referring to.

Nothing Ami did, earned physical violence. Ayane let herself be left out in the woods. It was part of the dorm wars, that she could have forfeited. Even being there overnight wasn't on Ami. That was on the Shapeshifter.

On top of this, it's pretty clear why Ami acted the way she did:And Ayane definitely was not treating Ami as an "equal" nor was Ami considering her one (she had prior probably, but not since then). Ayane literally bossed her around to the point that it worried Sensei, so much that he brought it up twice in that brief timespan. Ayane is still hiding this from Sensei for a reason.

Ayane isn't just a coward, or a bully, but a cowardly bully, tbh.

Of course, if Ami didn't just let her have her way, Ayane probably wouldn't be able to. After Maya scared Ayane, Ami wanted Ayane back, and even could offer sharing Sensei with her to mend their friendship:

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Allowing Ayane to bully her was what Ami had to do, to keep Ayane (and probably Sensei) happy in her eyes. Which is toxic, but Ami is the kind of person who casually helped Sensei shit in a bucket for 2 months. She's used to shitty situations.

Nevertheless, Ayane is the kind of person that'll choke, and hit others to get her way. Not to mention the whole having sex on the beds of her friends cause she's a horrible person stuff.

Btw, Ayane has had Ami and Sensei since she was 11 (her mother left around then), and likely Geoffrey as well. She's never actually been alone. Ami has literally been there to let her sleep on her:

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And if she needs someone whose very existence relies on her, to not feel alone, that somewhat speaks for itself.

Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychological manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.

As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.

It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).

Spoiler: ...But Home is Nowhere

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[Riolol]

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What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

 

[Nadekai]

What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

... Tsurumi is better than Chinami ...

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

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[LessonsInDissonance]

Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychic manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.

As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.

It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).

Spoiler: ...But Home is Nowhere

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Also, I don't know where this Ayane hate came from.

If anything, Ami has been a horrible friend and very abusive to her, but we let it slide because we like Ami while we call Otoha a bitch when her crimes on a "bad person scale" are genuinely lower, we are all hipocrites.

Ayane is an angel for putting up with it and forgiving Ami, that slap that she gave her is what a true friend would've done, she brought Ami down to earth and told her she wouldn't stand for it and would love her regardless.

 

[Yarazin]

What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?

If Sel sticks with what he has said, a green path will be possible to the end. He'd piss a lot of people off if it changed, but I can't say I would be totally surprised.

 

[Thatguy125Ab]

another noob question, i forgot to get my ayane lust up to 10 for the beach vacation, will i be locked out of her path if i get to Prisoner without it?

 

[barglenarglezous]

another noob question, i forgot to get my ayane lust up to 10 for the beach vacation, will i be locked out of her path if i get to Prisoner without it?

You'll miss Prisoner, and you'll miss a few scenes that only trigger if you have Prisoner, but that's a side strand of Ayane's path, not the main part of it.

 

[Thatguy125Ab]

will i miss all of her lewdables if i miss prisoner? or just the one?

 

[DeSkel15]

Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychic manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.

As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.

It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).

Spoiler: ...But Home is Nowhere

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I guess I heavily disagree with both of your takes on this.

Ami wasn't pushing Ayane away. Ayane pushed Ami away by not only sleeping with Ami's uncle behind her back, but also with the reset stuff, and then pushed Ami away even more after Maya scared her.

Even before all of that, Ayane said crap like this on Ami's birthday:

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Ami and Ayane literally formed the Sensei Love Squad, and Ami being Ami isn't anything new. She didn't seem to do anything to change their friendship. Ayane did (and Maya). I'm not sure where Ami pushing Ayane away in chapter 3 comes from, tbh. She was trying to rekindle their friendship.

Frankly, even Ayane's problems with Maya and Sensei are her own fault. She treated Maya as a threat before making it to the roof, and basically spent years harassing Sensei while Maya had to hide their relationship. Ayane was even the one who pushed for a sexual relationship with Sensei, surely knowing it'd at least change her relationships with Ami and Sensei. It, of course, is also something Maya likely hated, like how she hated Ayane flaunting her relationship with Sensei during the resets:

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Ayane's actions are a large part of why her relationships are the way they are. I'm curious if she may have even played a part in why her father neglects her and her mother abandoned her, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, all that you showed of Ami is after Ayane messed up their friendship, slept with her uncle, acted way different than usual, bullied her, and was just implying that she was somehow involved in Sensei breaking and being incapacitated for 2 months. On top of this, Ami was apparently finally breaking after all of the years of crap she's been put through by everyone around her. Hence why Ami has short hair now.

But the power imbalance I'm referring to was shown blatantly in Ayane's Chapter 3 'Double Jeopardy' Event:

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How someone could consider this as them being "equal" is beyond me.

Ayane definitely played a part in Ami's recent breaking, and it's likely why she wishes she had a friend she could trust:

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I'd be curious how Ami is going to react to Ayane now, but it'd probably be more of the same. Ami seems even more submissive now.

 

[barglenarglezous]

will i miss all of her lewdables if i miss prisoner? or just the one?

Yes, there are further lewd scenes on that plot thread that you'll miss if you miss Prisoner.

 

[aramaug]

another noob question, i forgot to get my ayane lust up to 10 for the beach vacation, will i be locked out of her path if i get to Prisoner without it?

I highly recommend you download URM and use it to set ayane_lust to 10. Without seeing Prisoner and the other events that rely on it, Ayane's arc will make a lot less sense.

In general, you shouldn't think of this as a traditional VN with a branching narrative and different paths for different girls. There is one linear story that contains arcs for all of the girls. You can never totally lock yourself out from anyone, but the story will be the most cohesive if you make choices and meet lust thresholds so see all of the events.

 

[Thatguy125Ab]

s'all good in the hood, i fortunately i had a save backed up to before What's Done Is Done, so i can get the prep work taken care of and then just skip all the stuff ive already seen up to prisoner, i dont mind taking the long way. Like i originally said, this here's a placeholder for Wvm, so the longer that takes the longer i can tunnel vision all these goodies