Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Well, maybe Ami was never in the picture. Maybe it's her in Sekai's belly, and maybe she died with her. Maybe this Ami was just "made" by sensei. I mean, I was thinking something along those lines since tutoring thing. Since Ami is the same age as Noriko and Maya, why not tutor them all together? Ami would make new friends, class would be 50% bigger too.
Or it's just 2nd child, but, as said before, Sekai leaving Ami behind is doubtful. And if Ami was in the picture, she would've been mentioned as well. But nope.

It would make a lot of sense for Ami to not be real, or rather her being there is very convenient to the forces that would be able to put a fake in her place. Because, really, she's what keeps Akira from killing himself. She's the first one he sees when the cycle starts, she's the one that "goes insane", she's the one that shows up during all sorts of happy events, she's the avatar of the xeonon, she's the substitute of the flower that Akira sought refuge in, she's her mother's stand-in, she's the oh so perfect little girl... At some point, we should probably start a tierlist on the likelyhood of characters not being real, cause this is getting interesting.

hmm yea that is quite alarming. If I were to defend it, I can push Spotless Mind a liiiiiittle earlier than 2007, banking on this "way later" not exceeding a year. If it's like you said, that "way later" means several years, it would violate a lot more things that aren't even the target of this timeline construction, as Akira and Niki had to start dating at 2007 to satisfy "they dated five years" and "Sekai died 8 years ago when Ami was 7" (additional ref here is Heaven for Human Blood)


Yup, these are the parts that I feel strange too. But let's see here.......

1. I regard your Point 1 as the logical conjecture and thus is not put into consideration when constructing the timeline. For me the tug of war is between "Cannot find a plausible reasoning behind wha/why Sekai's proposing" and "Noriko should not have existed at that given time"; AKA, a plot stretch vs a plot mistake. The former still has a chance to be explained in the future no matter how unconvincing it might be, while the latter is simply a mistake and has no chance to explain itself without invoking things like "Selly fucked up" or "Noriko can violate causality", and these are much bigger and more irreversible assumptions.

2. Were they not dating already in Kyoto? Is it because they still referred to each other as friend or childhood friend when a third person was around, or did they say something specific about it? (let me doubt check...)

Regardless, the paths forward are something like these:
- Accept Kyoto in 2005 / Tolerate Noriko being -1 year old / Plothole identified
- Accept Kyoto in 2011 / Tolerate not being able to comprehend why Sekai would suggest that
- Does not believe Kyoto exist within the same linear timeline
Despite everything in Kyoto really really feeling like 2005 (I must admit, the emotional weight feels more fitting if it was her carrying Ami and if Akira was still 16), I still subjectively picked the second one because the alternatives either violate causality or are not bound by it. But if a second piece emerges in the future that also violates causality in a similar manner then I am jumping ship.


That is my reasoning, yes. For a second pregnancy to be true, this is a assumption I have to make since neither Ami or ghost Sekai has ever mentioned about it.

I can see your reasoning now. Man, what a mess Selebus has made this time lol

Edit: Addressing both you and aramaug regarding Niki and Akira not dating during Kyoto. It's not just the friend x boyfriend thing. It's present in the whole event (there is a tension regarding their relationship not being defined - this extends even to her mother not knowing how to address Sekai). Niki is uncertain how they should part (kiss or hug), she reminds him of how long they've known eachother (as if she's hinting at something), It's Akira that doesn't want to have sex (again holding back against Niki's insistence about advancing their relationship), Akira is also uncertain how to explain his relationship with Niki to Sekai (whereas in the future Sekai refers to them as boyfriend x girlfriend), and if all of that wasn't enough, Kyoto serves as a defining reason for Akira to make Niki his girlfriend. It's right there when he chooses to stay, that's when the "not defined" relationship that was displayed throughout the event becomes defined, he wants to be her boyfriend, and likely becomes so right after it.

 

[barglenarglezous]

I think you're forgetting the most important theory of them all: Sensei's magically growing cock. Maybe Yumi was right all along and he really did have a micropenis before the resets started (please ignore the evidence just shown in Kyoto).

New headcanon: It's not that Akira has a magic cock, it's that Yumi has a magic vagina that causes men she sleeps with to experience massive penile growth, and when she slept with him, he DID have a micropenis.

 

[Pedro4545454]

You realize that this game is complicated when one fucking sentence could possibly create a big hole in the story :-:

 

[Moonflare]

New headcanon: It's not that Akira has a magic cock, it's that Yumi has a magic vagina that causes men she sleeps with to experience massive penile growth, and when she slept with him, he DID have a micropenis.

It is a rather well known fact that Yumi is one of the foremost characters in this game to cause penile growth.

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Edit: Also, we did it: 500 messages just two days after the update. Yep, it was definitely a good one.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Edit: Also, we did it: 500 messages just two days after the update. Yep, it was definitely a good one.

There were practically more than 250 messages a day, this shows that we are a little addicted to this game :-:

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Also, we did it: 500 messages just two days after the update. Yep, it was definitely a good one.

And, like, half of them about Kyoto

 

[Pedro4545454]

And, like, half of them about Kyoto

That was Kitty's fault, he fucked our minds with one sentence!

 

[Martogor]

Well in my mind there's 3 possibilities

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[Pedro4545454]

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Would that......really make sense, or is it just me looking for any alternative to not being a plot hole.

 

[barglenarglezous]

And, like, half of them about Kyoto

And the other half were about Moby Dick, for some stupid reason.

 

[Pedro4545454]

And the other half were about Moby Dick, for some stupid reason.

I was too lazy to read it, but why did so many people talk about it out of nowhere?

 

[Jejkdkkdkdkdkdm]

in theory the game's good and full of content but it is basically impossible to play this game without a guide if you have a job or things to do beside playing this game

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

At some point, we should probably start a tierlist on the likelyhood of characters not being real, cause this is getting interesting.

Okay, so, here is the tierlist of mine.

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[GSwole]

update to the sexual checklist/collector's progress.

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We're slowly getting there! There were some relevant changes this time.

Hee hoo, you're wrong. Akira totally dicked down Molly in LG.

 

[Crazynutso]

in theory the game's good and full of content but it is basically impossible to play this game without a guide if you have a job or things to do beside playing this game

or access to some kind of cheat engine, and enough imagination to set damage to a negative number every battle, or read through what the kill meter should be set to to end the stupid fights. Still better then remembering random lines or coffee facts though....

 

[barglenarglezous]

I was too lazy to read it, but why did so many people talk about it out of nowhere?

Dude got whiny about us complaining about Sensei Quest and thought he had done something by comparing reset puzzles to Moby Dick. I think he also compared Selebus to Dostoevsky

But as a rule of thumb, nobody takes notes on literature from people who don't understand how paragraphs work.

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

It's not weird to reference high literature when talking about high literature, bros.

 

[Pedro4545454]

I feel that saying that some characters are not real is kind of wrong, I prefer to talk in the sense that they are not human or not 100% human,

 

[aramaug]

it's this timeline but its 2010, its the second baby she has and the baby is Rin which they give in adoption, pum all problemas solved, except not bc it's just a random thought i had.

Damn, that's one well-developed ten-year-old . Rin was born in February 2006, less than six months after Ami, so Sekai can't be her mother. Also we're told that her bio mom was unmarried and way too young to have a baby.

Hee hoo, you're wrong. Akira totally dicked down Molly in LG.

It's not weird to reference high literature when talking about high literature, bros.

The two potential Selebus sock puppets posting three minutes apart. Coincidence?

And then I post shortly after. Coincidence?

I know that if I was writing something as complex as LiL, I would absolutely go on forums and make anonymous theory shitposts just to fuck with the players.

And on a completely unrelated note, let me now write an essay on why Takoyaki Man is secretly the key to understanding the entire plot.

 

[GSwole]

Damn, that's one well-developed ten-year-old . Rin was born in February 2006, less than six months after Ami, so Sekai can't be her mother. Also we're told that her bio mom was unmarried and way too young to have a baby.


The two potential Selebus sock puppets posting three minutes apart. Coincidence?

And then I post shortly after. Coincidence?

I'm the crustiest sock puppet on this side of F95