Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Moonflare]

Now that I have some time, I'm starting the replies for reactions to 0.45. Expect some replies to older posts in the next few days.

Some very quick first thoughts regarding the new update:

Spoiler: 1 - Alternative timeline Ayane

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Spoiler: 2 - Ami's (almost) perfect timeline

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Spoiler: 3 - Nu Maya's version of Akira

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Spoiler: 4 - There is a 'Karin is the main heroine' timeline

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Spoiler: 5 - RIP to a real one

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Spoiler: 6 - WHOMST?!

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Spoiler: 7 - Why did Ayane not remember her list?

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Spoiler: 8 - Plot hole obliterated

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Also, needless to say, the reset puzzle was dog shit. I don't know what I expected. I guess, after Sensei Quest, for him to become a bit more creative. This just felt like a drag and I would have taken way too long for me to come up with all of the answers on my own accord. I've lost all hope of him producing any good and interesting reset puzzles.

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Edit: I have numbered the topics from the original post for clarity.

 

[Djfjnensks]

I will probably download again when Tsukasa gets more content.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

4. Karin cucking Ami by being a "bro chick" is so funny though lol but also, I think, very accurate to when she comes to see Akira after his assault. The underlying message of that whole conversation is that Karin would have been okay with it if he loved her and if she was the only one which, in that reality, seems to be the case. Go Karin.

I will laugh out loud if football will make our Akira and Karin bond. Honestly, I think Karin deserved some love and sex. She is wholesome person and she needs to be loved if not platonically by her sister, then romantically by Akira. And as an enjoyer of big booba, I need a dose of tender sex with Karin.

 

[aramaug]

8. And likely explained the boxes at the same time. I think Selebus did say at one point that the boxes weren't going to be that amazing in the first place. And well, Maya's diaries certainly fit the bill (they make sense though).[/SPOILER]

I still have faith that there's something more interesting going on with the boxes, even though journals/notes make sense.

• Selebus has been building up the boxes for a long time, including teasing them repeatedly in every recent update. I can't see him doing a "reveal" where we never see a box and the only thing we're told about the contents is that Ayane didn't learn a single useful/interesting thing from them.
• The alt timeline Maya says that she keeps her notes in the basement, but Maya Prime always had Sensei deliver the boxes to one particular room on the third floor, which we still have never seen inside of. The room has to be important somehow.

To digress a bit, I'm a bit annoyed by Ayane's timeline because it just feels kind of pointless. Sel effectively brings Maya Prime back from the dead and then doesn't have her say or do anything interesting. We learn she keeps notes, but they're useless. Maya and Ayane spend a lot of time talking about their feelings for each other, but that was just putting into words what was effectively shown by their interactions in Chapter 3; and in the end, Ayane forgets everything, so it's not like her own understanding of their relationship progressed at all. They conspicuously don't talk about anything actually important - is it really plausible that Ayane never asks Maya how she resets the world? How about anything about Maya's past - she gives Ayane the scarf to gain New Maya's trust, but wouldn't information be a lot more effective?

 

[corsair101]

PSA, I don't know how relevant this may be to anyone else, but I had a very odd error last night that ate my autosaves and briefly locked me out of saving.

Spoiler: Traceback

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No idea what the hell that was about, game got stutter-y and froze briefly, then that popped up and my autosave files were gone, and trying to save manually triggered it again. But I hit "Rollback" on the Ren'py error screen, then actually manually rolled back (the scroll wheel kind) and continued from the beginning of the scene I was in, and it generated a working new autosave. Manual saves were all fine, though.

 

[Antosha]

I still have faith that there's something more interesting going on with the boxes, even though journals/notes make sense.

• Selebus has been building up the boxes for a long time, including teasing them repeatedly in every recent update. I can't see him doing a "reveal" where we never see a box and the only thing we're told about the contents is that Ayane didn't learn a single useful/interesting thing from them.
• The alt timeline Maya says that she keeps her notes in the basement, but Maya Prime always had Sensei deliver the boxes to one particular room on the third floor, which we still have never seen inside of. The room has to be important somehow.

To digress a bit, I'm a bit annoyed by Ayane's timeline because it just feels kind of pointless. Sel effectively brings Maya Prime back from the dead and then doesn't have her say or do anything interesting. We learn she keeps notes, but they're useless. Maya and Ayane spend a lot of time talking about their feelings for each other, but that was just putting into words what was effectively shown by their interactions in Chapter 3; and in the end, Ayane forgets everything, so it's not like her own understanding of their relationship progressed at all. They conspicuously don't talk about anything actually important - is it really plausible that Ayane never asks Maya how she resets the world? How about anything about Maya's past - she gives Ayane the scarf to gain New Maya's trust, but wouldn't information be a lot more effective?

It could be that the scarf holds greater importance than we’ve learned — it could trigger Nu Maya regaining Maya Prime’s understanding, if not her memories.

Or maybe not.

 

[Yarazin]

Edit: If we already have ntr and murder on chapter 4 though, I can only imagine what will happen in the dark route. And I do have my doubts if anything will be able to top "stomachache".

Seeing more torture, rape, and murder is what will be the most difficult for me to get through. The characters are what I love most about this story so this is gonna be rough.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Since the 5th Anniversary is right around the corner the way I would like to Congratulate Sel on 5 years of not indulging the foot fetish people.

 

[Moonflare]

Seeing more torture, rape, and murder is what will be the most difficult for me to get through. The characters are what I love most about this story so this is gonna be rough.

not looking forward to it either.

Since the 5th Anniversary is right around the corner the way I would like to Congratulate Sel on 5 years of not indulging the foot fetish people.

Or having Akira (or anyone else for that matter) being drug-raped, cause let me tell you I just downloaded a cute harem game and I shit you not the first sex scene is you being drug raped, I was not happy. The game treats the whole thing as if women raping men simply doesn't exist, and when the game addresses it, it's by another woman telling you it's your fault for "seducing your rapist". Made all of LiL's ntr seem like a vanilla happy ending.

is it really plausible that Ayane never asks Maya how she resets the world? How about anything about Maya's past - she gives Ayane the scarf to gain New Maya's trust, but wouldn't information be a lot more effective?

I definitely agree and it's very heavyhanded of Selebus to not have Ayane ask the most obvious questions. The way I see it, it serves a couple of functions.

Spoiler: theorizing

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I'm more on your camp than giving Selebus a hand here though. I'm just trying to theorize from the idea that it is serving a reason.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Or having Akira (or anyone else for that matter) being drug-raped, cause let me tell you I just downloaded a cute harem game and I shit you not the first sex scene is you being drug raped, I was not happy. The game treats the whole thing as if women raping men simply doesn't exist, and when the game addresses it, it's by another woman telling you it's your fault for "seducing your rapist". Made all of LiL's ntr seem like a vanilla happy ending.

name of the game?

 

[Moonflare]

name of the game?

Summer Clover

Edit: Also, a question regarding LiL's tag situation. Cause in that game, I had checked the tags on the description of the game and there was no rape, then after I ran into it, I made a report about it, and saw that it was tagged rape but just on the tags on the top of the page (which I never noticed before).

So, from my understanding, the tags atop the page are the ones that can be added by a moderator? And if so, couldn't one add the ntr tag to LiL then?

Examples:

Spoiler: tag on the top of the page

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Spoiler: Tag on the description

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[DeSkel15]

Something interesting that I don't think has gained much notice is that it was again implied that even Sensei being aware of the Resets isn't relatively normal in the Resets.

In Ayane's Chapter 4 'Chamomile' Event, the Alt Maya Prime reveals:

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That in her world (Football Sensei), she is the only one who knows about the Resets. Her Sensei doesn't and it seems like her Ami probably doesn't either (or at least this Maya implies that), and it seems like none of the previous Senseis had figured it out in this world either.

Our Maya Prime actually had also implied that Sensei being aware of Resets was a new thing:

Spoiler

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So, something probably happened before our Sensei showed up that made it possible for Sensei to make it to the roof and become aware of things. (Our Maya Prime didn't seem surprised that our Sensei knew of the Resets so it probably happened before Chapter 1)

Spoiler: Paradoxical theory

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Yumi also making it to the Rooftop and surviving, probably disproves any sex related theory on getting to the roof, and Ayane's "only 3 membership" theory as well.

There needing to be some kind of sacrifice possibly still works. Yuki, for example, seemed to go missing soon before Yumi made it to the roof, which seems awfully similar to what happened with Ayane's chicken son (Todd)...who Sensei still hasn't told her that he had found dead... I wonder if Yumi might bring that up?...

Also:

Or having Akira (or anyone else for that matter) being drug-raped, cause let me tell you I just downloaded a cute harem game and I shit you not the first sex scene is you being drug raped, I was not happy. The game treats the whole thing as if women raping men simply doesn't exist, and when the game addresses it, it's by another woman telling you it's your fault for "seducing your rapist". Made all of LiL's ntr seem like a vanilla happy ending.

Spoiler

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I wouldn't really put it past some of these girls to drug rape Sensei, tbh. I would expect some to be okay with it, while others wouldn't, though, in game, and probably IRL. Realistically, Morality varies from person to person, and usually from context to context.

 

[Moonflare]

1. That in her world (Football Sensei), she is the only one who even knows about the Resets. Her Sensei doesn't and it seems like her Ami probably doesn't either (or at least this Maya implies that), and it seems like none of the previous Senseis had figured it out in this world either.

2. There's also how Himawari was involved in our Sensei buying the Scarf that he gives to our Maya Prime, who seemed to not have had that Scarf:

Assuming that the Alt Maya Prime could be our Maya Prime in the past, she may have gave our Ayane her Scarf, which ended up in our Timeline, then perhaps this Scarf will end up going from our Ayane to Himawari who then ends up in the past, selling it to either our Sensei, or the next Sensei, in this paradoxical cycle.

That Scarf could have created a paradox. I mean, whatever even started this hypothetical time traveling stuff (Nao-chan?) created it, but the Scarf itself seems important to it. (Of course, this same Scarf seemed to show up later with Chika in Chapter 3, but I'm not entirely sure on the importance of that).

3. I wouldn't really put it past some of these girls to drug rape Sensei, tbh. I would expect some to be okay with it, while others wouldn't, though, in game, and probably IRL. Realistically, Morality varies from person to person, and usually from context to context.

added numbers for clarity.

Spoiler: thoughts

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[SlidingSubject]

Something I don't think I've seen mentioned is that maybe Ami's situation with the resets is somewhat like the one Rika Furude experiences in Higurashi When They Cry.

Spoiler: Jumping backwards

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[johnd0esmith]

Well, It was horrible Santa Barbara. I enjoyed every half lines of it. Those are without supernatural convoluted shit.
To not bother Sel’s quirks I wrote miniscript replacing text-based insertions of hexadecimal, moonrunes and etc.

 

[Fake Rabi ~]

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when will Rin send nudes to sensei?

 

[Antosha]

added numbers for clarity.

Spoiler: thoughts

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When did that happen? I don’t remember it.

 

[Moonflare]

When did that happen? I don’t remember it.

DormWars, either the first or second I think. Probably the first, they have a competition in his house - in which Noriko competes with Ami (?).

Well, Noriko drugs Akira, I don't exactly recall for what purpose, maybe to fall asleep (?). Anyway, iirc it was during the time we all had thoughts about Noriko being a deranged stalker, and that really didn't help her case.

The bizarre things is, you can say that Noriko won even after drugging him. Weird moment, although, granted, Akira will reprimand her either way. It's just... I don't know, maybe I'm sensitive to it, I'd never talk to someone that did that to me again (even if they did it as a joke and were "safe" about it - there's no such thing).

 

[fasoaga]

So if either sensei nor girls never figure out the resets, why were Ami going on killing spree? Alt Maya said all sensei fuck Ami and some erandom interest. Isin't this Ami's happy ending?

Does her happy ending needs Sekai to exist?

 

[aramaug]

It could be that the scarf holds greater importance than we’ve learned — it could trigger Nu Maya regaining Maya Prime’s understanding, if not her memories.

Maya does suggest that as a possibility, but I can't really see it happening when the importance of the scarf comes from before the resets, not anything specific to Maya Prime. Plus, the very fact that she suggested it makes it unlikely that it will work, nothing in this story is that easy.

I do imagine the scarf will have some importance (beyond symbolizing that Ayane is Maya's replacement), but it's hard to say what it will be before we find out what happened to New Maya. If Ayane's memory has been altered to think she's always had the scarf, does that mean New Maya's will be altered to forget it? If so, what else has she forgotten?

I guess it's possible that New Maya will recognize the scarf and that talking to Ayane about it will be the impetus for her to remember the alternate timeline, but again that seems like too convenient of an outcome.

I definitely agree and it's very heavyhanded of Selebus to not have Ayane ask the most obvious questions. The way I see it, it serves a couple of functions.

Spoiler: theorizing

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I'm more on your camp than giving Selebus a hand here though. I'm just trying to theorize from the idea that it is serving a reason.

Agreed on Yumi, she got some good character development. Whether she remembers it or not (I'm guessing she does subconsciously), it's still good for the narrative. The HOPE stuff was obviously interesting but could have happened in any timeline. The Ayane/Maya scenes were what I specifically didn't like, it was just a waste to send Ayane to a "Maya Prime" timeline and have so little come of it. Maya leaving before the reset is interesting, but we got so little information about it that it seems impossible to figure out why.

Something interesting that I don't think has gained much notice is that it was again implied that even Sensei being aware of the Resets isn't relatively normal in the Resets.

In Ayane's Chapter 4 'Chamomile' Event, the Alt Maya Prime reveals:

Spoiler

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That in her world (Football Sensei), she is the only one who knows about the Resets. Her Sensei doesn't and it seems like her Ami probably doesn't either (or at least this Maya implies that), and it seems like none of the previous Senseis had figured it out in this world either.

Our Maya Prime actually had also implied that Sensei being aware of Resets was a new thing:

Spoiler

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So, something probably happened before our Sensei showed up that made it possible for Sensei to make it to the roof and become aware of things. (Our Maya Prime didn't seem surprised that our Sensei knew of the Resets so it probably happened before Chapter 1)

Now that you point it out, this is really interesting. I'm pretty sure that Maya Prime implied that the fake Senseis who survived resets did so by making it to the roof, most of them just died on the first attempt. She certainly wasn't surprised when real Sensei made it during the first reset, even though she (supposedly) thought he's a fake. She also told him what was going on and wasn't surprised when he retained those memories past the reset. So it definitely seems like some fake Senseis knew about the resets at least for a brief time. So in "Suffer the Same" maybe she's just saying that it's been a while since there was a successful fake Sensei?

But that doesn't work for the Ayane timeline. The football-loving Sensei has survived four resets, something that literally no fake Senseis have done in the main timeline according to Maya Prime. If he doesn't make it to the roof, how does he survive? And if he does make it, why doesn't he know about the resets?