Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Apollo259]

I think selebus dropped a huge hint about how all of these are just in senseis mind. and he is in some sort of mental hospital.

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I hate when paranormal mystery novels end up being "logical"
but if this isnt true then nadokas story doesnt make any sense

I read those Nodoka lines as more of a staring down the barrel of the camera 4th wall breaking moment. She wonders if she is a voice inside someone's head. And she is, in that very moment and in general, a voice inside you, the readers, head. She wonders if there is someone that takes shelter in the idea of her existence. "The idea of my existence" well that is essentially what a character is really. The idea of someone that you construct from the words on the page and the "voices in your head". It is a love story, but it extends through the 4th wall. She wonders if there is someone reading it that loves her character. And the line about "is it possible to fall in love with them -- enjoy the company you create rather than the company you find" is kind of a thesis of a meta commentary of the genre as a whole, fiction in general or even in some ways everyone playing the game.

I don't know the literary terms to say what I'm thinking properly but maybe that makes some sense. Whether her character is or is not explicitly speaking to the reader ultimately doesn't really mater. It still fits with what her character is doing and thinking. That is, trying to figure out the nature of the world they are in, ect. Or to word it differently, it would not be out of character for such thoughts to cross her mind.

 

[shmurfer]

There's also two 'story locations' that would count as "trapped in an empty space with little more than the voices in your head." where you could "enjoy the company you create rather than the company you find?"

The Room With Clocks, and the Wishing Well itself. What he would be doing in either place is still up for discussion but I wouldn't count the kumon mi experience being a dream and him waking up for happy events actually inside either location the same as "it's all a dream".

Technically if the wishing well grants a wish to someone using it, I'm not convinced Sensei used a wish, he's just wrapped up in the wish. (I think it was Ami)

 

[elricsecret]

Whatever the ending of LiL will be, it won’t be the dream/coma/it’s all in Akira’s head ending.

It’s been deconfirmed by Selebus on at least two separate occasions that I could find:

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I wouldnt trust his words easily.
It is not like he can says "ok guys it was all in sensei's mind go home I wont milk u 5 more years"
he needs to keep customers hungry.

and schizophrenia can really be considered dream ending? dunno I hope he isnt lying

 

[Bingoogus]

I wouldnt trust his words easily.
It is not like he can says "ok guys it was all in sensei's mind go home I wont milk u 5 more years"
he needs to keep customers hungry.

and schizophrenia can be really considered dream ending? dunno I hope he isnt lying

Whilst your idea sounds possible the truth is Selly's ego would not allow for him to end the game with 'it was all a dream', such an ending would be so far beneath him in his eyes that it would even be beneath him if played ironically, as a deliberate slap to the face of the audience he already treats as beneath him... whatever the ending ends up being, it won't be just some delusion of a guy in a padded room.

 

[elricsecret]

Whilst your idea sounds possible the truth is Selly's ego would not allow for him to end the game with 'it was all a dream', such an ending would be so far beneath him in his eyes that it would even be beneath him if played ironically, as a deliberate slap to the face of the audience he already treats as beneath him... whatever the ending ends up being, it won't be just some delusion of a guy in a padded room.

unironically this is the most convincing explanation.thank you now I can motivate myself to keep reading again

 

[Bingoogus]

unironically this is the most convincing explanation.thank you now I can motivate myself to keep reading again

Lmao... when in doubt, just remember that as good as the story is, the author is a giant dickhead...

 

[chikipiki]

I think selebus dropped a huge hint about how all of these are just in senseis mind. and he is in some sort of mental hospital.

Spoiler: So what Nodoka says in her story explains the hole mystery behind the game?

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Spoiler: so with this here is what happened in real and what will happen.

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I hate when paranormal mystery novels end up being "logical"
but if this isnt true then nadokas story doesnt make any sense

Besides Nodoka saying this, there have also been Narrator convincing Akira at the start that Nobody is real. But we also have a Narrator saying to Akira to remember everybody is real and that their story continues even when he isn't there in a Sara / Sana event. (Don't remember which)

So, we can't really take the game / Narrator's words as truth as they all seem to want to use Akira for their own ends. As for Nodoka, at that moment, she said those stuffs to get a rise out of Akira. I think Nodoka was checking if Akira was the same as her Mother. The voices inside your head fits both Akira and her mom.

 

[TBone9]

As self proclaimed J-pop idol enthusiast, I would say that being an idol and a maid in maid cafe are very different things. Yeah, all of them need to be cute and/or beautiful and play a respective role. But even most underground idols have to work with more people than most popular maids can interact with. But at the same time maids interact more intimately with their fans, while idols have a respectable distance from their fans. Yet idols are more restricted in EVERYTHING, while maids have far more freedom in that area.

Also, there is no way that an idol is going to call you "Master".

 

[TBone9]

Man I just wanna know when the name will pop back up again, I'm still waiting for Io to know her son's name is Io.

I'ts Ios all the way down.

 

[LoveRedHairedGirl]

Whatever the ending of LiL will be, it won’t be the dream/coma/it’s all in Akira’s head ending.

It’s been deconfirmed by Selebus on at least two separate occasions that I could find:

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Rare instance of Selebus being BASED.

 

[TBone9]

For me, the most probable outcome for the story is that it all happens in his head while he is still in coma for whatever reason (Sekai's death or whatever).

"Dallas" (Bobby Ewing shower scene) on steroids.

 

[Moonflare]

Whatever the ending of LiL will be, it won’t be the dream/coma/it’s all in Akira’s head ending.

It’s been deconfirmed by Selebus on at least two separate occasions that I could find:

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Just adding to it:

The story goes on without Akira. There are multiple times when the narrator goes out of their way to show things that happen without Akira's presence, and then goes out of their way to say that.

Then there's the whole "it started way before you were born" thing. And NAO saying he's not even a part of the puzzle.

It starts on chapter 3, but as we get to 4, things get very clear in that the supernatural exists. I also think some of the dream thing is a vestige of chapter 1/2, which focuses a lot on Akira as the center of the world (leading to that interpretation) - whereas 3 and 4 start to walk away from that.

I'm not even sure anymore if Akira is the center of 23, and some, if not all of his importance comes from being able to slip himself and others.

 

[derekthered56]

If all this was a dream, that would mean Akira would have to know every fact that every other character ever brings up, along with being fluent in Twi, Tagalog, and Gaelic. That's a considerable amount of random information for one dude to have.

 

[DeanNoriko]

Whatever the ending of LiL will be, it won’t be the dream/coma/it’s all in Akira’s head ending.

It’s been deconfirmed by Selebus on at least two separate occasions that I could find:

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Just to add to this, regardless of whether I believe such an ending to be possible or likely, there have been instances in the past where creators of stories have denied endings or scenarios that came up as theories, that then turned out to be true.

My go-to example for this is Lost, where the series ending was a major theory from the start and the writers specifically said that it won't end up like this (but it did), so I would take such comments with a pinch of salt.

And honestly, what would you do in such a situation as the writer? Ignore the questions? Deny to comment on it? Those would be big giveaways in itself. You would have to aggressively refute them to not even let people start to spin a theory out of it.

 

[Moonflare]

Just to add to this, regardless of whether I believe such an ending to be possible or likely, there have been instances in the past where creators of stories have denied endings or scenarios that came up as theories, that then turned out to be true.

My go-to example for this is Lost, where the series ending was a major theory from the start and the writers specifically said that it won't end up like this (but it did), so I would take such comments with a pinch of salt.

And honestly, what would you do in such a situation as the writer? Ignore the questions? Deny to comment on it? Those would be big giveaways in itself. You would have to aggressively refute them to not even let people start to spin a theory out of it.

I'd tell people not to worry because the thread will rewrite the ending to LiL if it falls short of expectations.

That may or may not be related to the name of one particular character that I won't mention due to now being harrassed for telling THE TRUTH too often.

That aside, we can also rewrite it if it's all a dream. We have more than enough writers and programmers here.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

I'd tell people not to worry because the thread will rewrite the ending to LiL if it falls short of expectations.

That may or may not be related to the name of one particular character that I won't mention due to now being harrassed for telling THE TRUTH too often.

That aside, we can also rewrite it if it's all a dream. We have more than enough writers and programmers here.

Selebus is changing the script so often that there isn't an objective truth anymore, we need to put him down at this point

 

[SlidingSubject]

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As debunked as this was, it's funny how it could line up with the dark, true and purity routes.

 

[Riolol]

I bet it's a bit strange being Selly, imagine having a bunch die hard fans of your work who also openly dislike you as a person. What does that do to your ego?

 

[elricsecret]

I bet it's a bit strange being Selly, imagine having a bunch die hard fans of your work who also openly dislike you as a person. What does that do to your ego?

The reason people love his work but hate him is his "ego" in the first place. You can't ruin something that is already ruined..

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

With regards to those old discord comments, I found them a bit devious because 'hallucinations' do not fall under 'simulation' or 'it's all a dream.' This is to say I can clearly imagine a reality where Sensei is hallucinating 99% of what's happening, OR everything that's happened is framed as a book / game he's reading/playing, yet this would evade classification as "simulation" or "all a dream." Of course, in the first place, I'm not really dead-set on figuring out THE TRUTH and cracking THE PUZZLE, but when it comes to strong allusions that things are going on in Sensei's head, I am disinclined from throwing them out wholesale. For example, at this point I would be pleasantly surprised if Ami/Ayane/Maya are 'real' living people and not hallucinations, but even if they are hallucinations, I wouldn't interpret that as 'dream theory' it'd be a more elaborate 'how real are how hallucinations / how real is fiction if it affects us irl / it may be fake to us but it's real to them' etc type stuff.

By the way, at risk of implied spoilers, I would once again invite fans of LiL to read Subahibi. It is the same kind of "spew vomit from the bottom of your mind and call it a visual novel" kind of thing that LiL is. Which is not to say LiL fans would like it (in fact, I myself found it quite a chore to get through), but it is highly enriching when analyzing LiL since it's one of the main inspirations for it. Worst come to worst you can come out with more ammo for calling Sel a hack or something.

Mon panache!