Hello everyone please send me safes fully passed version 45 because I accidentally when cleaning the system deleted them to the game and pass to this point long
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May I once again recommend the search function for the thread, as saves are very common and multitudinous for each version of the game that comes out. Cheers.
No, I know the story and I've seen everyone's hate boners for Selebus. My question is why does putting the reset info in a happy scene specifically make him a dick, which is what the poster I was replying to said ("How dare you peasants skip my happy events, I'm going to hide required information to complete the reset inside of them ") There is reset information in lots of events - why is it worse for it to be in the happy scenes?
FWIW, I have no problem with Selebus telling the story the way he wants to, reset events and all, and if I did I would simply not play the game. It's his story. I don't know him personally or care about whether he is an asshole or not, I like the game and so I support him on SS because I think people deserve to get paid for their work.
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It's not the fact that he put info in a happy event the problem, but the fact that he «brick» your save IF you miss this event and pass the reset.
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So, 22 is gone, 23 is collapsing, and Ami is giddy at the idea of going to 24?
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OH GOD, MAKE IT GO AWAY. I CAN ONLY RELIVE SCHOOL DAYS SO MANY TIMES, YOU MONSTER!
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Oh boy, dipping my toes dangerously into negative subjects here... I'll try to be neutral and polite!
It's important to understand that most people engage with fiction in something of a self-centered way; the fiction exists for them (or their conception of what would be ideal), rather than for its own sake. It's intuitive for many many many people that they are more important than the book in their hand or the game they're playing, so any personal problem they have is a problem with the fiction. We see in video game discourse, for example, a lot of controversy over 'accessibility,' with many people being very insistent that every game needs a lot of accessibility options so that as many people as possible can engage with it. Someone may play a sound-centric game with no deaf accessibility options and feel this is a problem with the game, even though it's hardly a categorical imperative that any given fiction needs to accommodate any issues a user may have.
With this established, let's take a closer look at the history of the happy scene. As the story goes, people were skipping happy scenes due to feeling scared or uncomfortable during them. I think while reading through F95's old posts I also encountered masturbators (derogatory) skipping them since ttey were playing with their dicks in hand (why they announced this I do not know). The power of ren'py allows them to control the fiction and shape it to their preferences. Selebus does not want users doing this, however. So to remove 'agency' from the player, and to maximize his intended vision for the fiction, he put puzzle answers in happy scenes to specifically prevent those who skipped them from progressing.
On the one hand, it is intuitive to you that people should be fully engaging with the media they consume - to read every scene put before them. On the other hand, to others its intuitive that their agency being deprived is an objective flaw, and only an asshole would go out of their way to spite them in that way. That would be the key. It's not that Selebus has generically put content in happy scenes. It's that he did so specifically to impact the audience - specifically to spite those playing in ways he does not approve. If there is a cardinal sin a creator can commit in the eyes of the audience, it is invariably treating them with spite. It is a VERY rare individual who puts fiction above themselves - a very rare individual who engages fiction for anyone's sake but their own.
In a sense, this is why we sometimes see cope about how Selebus is producing bad puzzle content 'while trying to make something good' or 'for greed' - there is an almost obsessive compulsion to apply Hanlon's razor and attribute these matters to incompetence rather than malice, because an incompetent or greedy developer is cute and beneath the reader, while a malicious developer is simply an enemy. It's harder to resolve the internal cognitive dissonance for why a person you feel internal distaste for is capable of producing you love. As for how some people spend hundreds upon hundreds of posts casually blasting Selebus with cruel hate while loving the bulk of his art so much, and appreciating the fragility of the characters within - I don't know! People are mean. A perceived slight is all it takes for someone to become less than human in their eyes. Uh oh? Is that not neutral or polite? Ohononono I'm sorry my evil innards are surging up my lungs in the form of my own hateful words
Anyway, that's my take. Beware ye author that inconveniences the reader.
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Sorry for asking, but does anyone know the scene name in URM for "You are a very bad boy" the scene that happens right after Molly/Sensei bathroom happens? Tsubasa scene I'm pretty sure since that one is also red, but I can't find it in URM.
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Matthew is one of the best subtle jokes in the game, but there's a chance you haven't idled during the school week long enough to know it thanks to AutoVN
LMAO
I'm guessing one was named after the other. If there's a deeper meaning it isn't discussed much.
Good eye
The whole reason "reset info" exists in the first place is because people were skipping the happy events in the first place. Now you can't skip the existential horror of the game to get to the watching a guy fuck teenagers part of the VN because Sel thinks the game needs to be played on his terms. And I'm not convinced Sel's done enough to squeeze the good out of choices like that to outweigh the absolute slog resets have become due to it.
I've come to that idea purely based on ingame dialogue from Selebus. (I can't even remember if it was huggy boy exclusive but it was blatant)
Noodle Girl experimenting with tomatoes...
Spaghetti Time? And Sana is getting attention this update....
I doubt anyone's getting invite events until they're ok with being touched by Sensei. Io's not there yet.
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I think I spend to much time on the internet. I read this as Ami griddy and almost bluejayed myself.
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I personally didn't have a problem with the reset puzzles until Word of the Day A Life of Prizes because my GOD that one is long. The problem with puzzles asking you to recall random info from previous events is that if you scatter too much info over too many events it becomes too much to follow. I just passed word of the day A Life of Prizes though so who knows if the later ones are even harder.
I agree with the making sure people actually see the events with the information because I think not engaging is missing the point, but I don't agree with punishing the "cheats" like raise affection because that's just grinding. There's nothing gained from grinding after a certain point. That said I've been playing with guide mod, I imagine trying to play through the game blind would just suck. Game design faults aren't the same as narrative or art faults though, and the game's narrative is definitely engaging.
I think the Selebus being a little bit caustic doesn't really detract from the game being engaging art. I don't know too much about the beef but I actually wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the conflict. I wouldn't consider LiL a good game, but a it's a good piece of art. This is a site mostly for porn games and LiL is only tangentially either porn or a game.
Edit: Whoops, mixed up the event names
I agree with the making sure people actually see the events with the information because I think not engaging is missing the point, but I don't agree with punishing the "cheats" like raise affection because that's just grinding. There's nothing gained from grinding after a certain point. That said I've been playing with guide mod, I imagine trying to play through the game blind would just suck. Game design faults aren't the same as narrative or art faults though, and the game's narrative is definitely engaging.
I think the Selebus being a little bit caustic doesn't really detract from the game being engaging art. I don't know too much about the beef but I actually wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the conflict. I wouldn't consider LiL a good game, but a it's a good piece of art. This is a site mostly for porn games and LiL is only tangentially either porn or a game.
Edit: Whoops, mixed up the event names
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I did the same thing.
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Damn this one hit pretty hard. Guess I'll be missing another event. Honestly I stand by the idea that Sensei's gonna end up taking a metaphorical boot up his ass for every morally dubious green event.
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So you're suggesting photography could be one of Himawari's hobbies. Another of her hobbies is cosplay.
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I hope you have a save from when you got off green path. Feels like you're gonna just red path from this point on.