Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.49.0] [Selebus]

[Honga]

I just stumbled upon the newest review, nothing noteworthy about it until i came to the end of it. And lets say, I AM BAFFLED

The last metric I rate by is update schedule. Does the developer update the game with enough regularity that you aren't waiting for the game for an inordinate amount of time. Sadly, LiL's update schedule is... bad. Very bad. Much like other large games (Innocent Witches is a good example), the update schedule for LIL is such that you can expect to wait months before you see an update. Yes, the updates do contain some level of progression of the story, and are decently large; but that's really no excuse. Given the amount of what DOES come out with each update, it would be more reasonable for the developer to break those major updates down somewhat and have a more regular update schedule. However, they've chosen not to do that. I can't say why they've taken this path, but be warned, you may not hear much from the developer for some time before your next update comes out.

I rate Update schedule 1 of 5 stars.

Pretty much everything is plain wrong in this paragraph!
The update schedule easily deserves 5/5, comparing to most decent games on here. It is actually a strongpoint of this game, having consistent updates for years and years on.
IDK guys, what games might the reviewer have played in order to develop such out-of-reality-expectations?

 

[fasoaga]

Spoiler: Question about gods

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I though replaying the game would answer the questions i had, not create new ones.

 

[shmurfer]

I've been thinking of downloading the most recent full version with the Ren'Py update

You should download the whole game for this alone, make a backup of your saves, leave out the care packages. and install the progress mod and URM.

 

[jclark1337]

I just stumbled upon the newest review, nothing noteworthy about it until i came to the end of it. And lets say, I AM BAFFLED


Pretty much everything is plain wrong in this paragraph!
The update schedule easily deserves 5/5, comparing to most decent games on here. It is actually a strongpoint of this game, having consistent updates for years and years on.
IDK guys, what games might the reviewer have played in order to develop such out-of-reality-expectations?

Ye I disregarded their opinion pretty quickly into that review. Stripping the story down to nothing but a variation of a "Story That Never Was" trope makes me think they either didn't actually read very far or have no reading comprehension whatsoever. This is one of the most interesting and emotionally gripping versions of that trope that I've seen in a LONG time, and that's just the beginning. That's not counting all the other tropes that Selebus has been putting his own original twist on. Tropes aren't bad storytelling, they're tropes for a reason. ALL stories consist of tropes, suggesting that somehow containing them at all makes the story lesser is ridiculous.

Also complaining about 60k words every two months not being enough is wild. Are there slow parts to the story, and could the story be more streamlined and condensed? Sure, but the impact of the game would suffer since we wouldn't have nearly as much time to grow attached to the characters, which is a major part of the experience. Slowly dripfeeding important lore and backstories before big reveals works wonderfully, and the loss of CH3 end Maya wouldn't hit nearly as hard for most of us if we didnt have the tedium of slowly breaking her walls down only to finally get her true feelings and part of her past before losing everything

 

[corsair101]

You should download the whole game for this alone, make a backup of your saves, leave out the care packages. and install the progress mod and URM.

Right, but are those previous saves going to be tagged permanently from having the Care Packages, or does that only execute the check and DRM if they're in the Game folder? Plus, they're flagged for using cheats due to a glitch I had.

 

[walkerin]

as of current patch is there any lewd scenes with tsukasa or selebus is just fucking with us?

 

[Rincon]

as of current patch is there any lewd scenes with tsukasa or selebus is just fucking with us?

Can only hope, but it's basically confirmed scenes will happen with them, but like with other characters... Rin, Noriko, a few others, he's kinda awful at managing his large cast and just leaves characters without any sort of development for a long period of time. I still don't expect anything for Tsukasa for a bit longer really.

 

[Pedro4545454]

Can only hope, but it's basically confirmed scenes will happen with them, but like with other characters... Rin, Noriko, a few others, he's kinda awful at managing his large cast and just leaves characters without any sort of development for a long period of time. I still don't expect anything for Tsukasa for a bit longer really.

For me, this chapter 4 is what prepares the earth for the bad things that will happen in chapter 5 and the bad things that happened in chapter 5 will have a total impact on the dark route. in chapter 6, since the dark route will be the smallest of all assuming they gave 5 updates to the dark route and 5 of the characters overcoming that and finally the pure routes or a chapter 7 showing the characters really overcoming completely to come the pure routes.

(Every time I do these calculations I realize that I will be playing this addictive game for another 3 to 5 years of my life or even more than that.)

 

[wilhermans]

(Every time I do these calculations I realize that I will be playing this addictive game for another 3 to 5 years of my life or even more than that.)

I wish I could forget about this game

 

[Pedro4545454]

I wish I could forget about this game

I wish I could forget it so I could play it again and feel the same feelings I felt the first time I played it ;-;

 

[jclark1337]

Welp I've been speeding through CH4 since I have a few days off, made it up to 0.40 so far. Figured I would post some thoughts and reactions. I'll split it into 2 parts so it doesn't get too long probably

Spoiler: CH4 0.37 - 0.40 reactions and thoughts PART 1

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[VoidExile]

Spoiler: Touka's poor bed...

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[shmurfer]

Right, but are those previous saves going to be tagged permanently from having the Care Packages, or does that only execute the check and DRM if they're in the Game folder? Plus, they're flagged for using cheats due to a glitch I had.

I don't think the saves are ever tagged with anything, otherwise people have dropped the ball in making the anti drm patch and not informing people of the issue which we would then have a URM tutorial on how to remove.

as of current patch is there any lewd scenes with tsukasa or selebus is just fucking with us?

That depends. Is intentionally making Tsukasa watch you fuck Imani lewd?

 

[Deleted member 4389531]

What we're seeing is a longer version of the "Groundhog Day Loop" trope, which has become somewhat popular as a writing tool for developers. On the surface, it lets you play around with different ideas or situations, with the knowledge that at some point everything will be reset back to the starting point, and by and large, whatever happened during that loop has no bearing on the future. Because, honestly, it never happened. Throwing in the idea that others can be trapped in (and aware of) the loop is a bit of a twist, but it doesn't change the fact that that's what we're seeing here.

Your enthusiasm for relating LiL to Groundhog Day has inspired me to cope and seethe once more about the time travel.

Look, lads, I'm just not fucking buying it. There's no goddamn time travel in Lessons in Love. Not a goddamn bit. I don't care that 99% of Japanese visual novels incorporate time loops as a fluid way of making each route equally canon including one of the prime inspirations for LiL itself (Cross Channel). I don't care that Selebus proudly markets it as a 'crazy romance story with time travel' on twitter sometimes. I don't care that the characters refer to it as time travel. I don't care, and you're not gonna believe this, that a recent update seems to have a direct visual depiction of actual time travelling occurring. I don't buy it!!!! It's a fucking psyop!!!!!! An elaborate ruse!

But a distraction from what you ask? IDK, the fact that everything everywhere is occurring simultaneously at once? That their time frame is more dependent on when they perceive themselves to be than anything else? That time is not a flat line progressing from point to point but in fact a shapeless blob of wibbly wobbly cummy wummy stuff molded like clay by experiences external to the reality marble the characters find themselves in? I don't know! I don't know the fucking answers! I'm not looking for answers, in fact! But what I DO know with full and utter confidence is that THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL IN LESSONS IN LOVE!!!!!!!!!

WHY DOES THE CITY CONTINUE DEVELOPING EVEN WHEN THEY SUPPOSEDLY TIME TRAVEL BACK? WHY IS EVERYTHING UNCHANGED BUT THEIR MINDS? WHY IS THIS THE LEAST CONSEQUENTIAL TIME TRAVEL TO EVER EXIST IN A TIME TRAVEL STORY? WHY DO CHARACTERS JITTER BETWEEN SCENES AS IF CASUALITY IS FLUID AT ALL TIMES AND ALL STEPS FORWARD ARE BUT TRANSIENT MARKS UPON SAND SOON TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY THE WIND? WHY DO CHARACTERS CLEARLY REMEMBER 'PAST TIMELINES' AS IF IN FACT WHAT THEY ARE REALLY REMEMBERING IS A SINGLE UNBROKEN EXISTENCE OBSFUCATED ONLY BY THE FOGS OF A MIND UNWILLING TO FACE THEIR FEARS AND BUILD THE FUTURE? WHY? WHY DO THEY CALL IT TIME TRAVEL? IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT STARTED THAT WAY WHEN THEY WENT ONE YEAR BACK TO THE START OF THE SCHOOL YEAR? WHO EVEN REMEMBERS THAT? DID IT EVEN ACTUALLY HAPPEN? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Riolol]

I wish I could forget it so I could play it again and feel the same feelings I felt the first time I played it ;-;

If you could erase your memories of this game but also leave yourself a note, what would you tell yourself? I might tell myself to stay away but I doubt I would listen to me.

 

[jclark1337]

Probably have to make one more part because I'm uncomfortable with how long it's getting with the screenshots.

Spoiler: CH4 0.37 - 0.40 reactions PART 2

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[fdsasdf_p]

Tech question: is it possible to have two separate instances of this game installed simultaneously?

Yes. I have a v0.46 for normal use, a v0.28 for care package, and a v0.23p2 for pre-rework content. My saves made across all three copies still live and my laptop has not burst into flames yet.

Spoiler: Question about gods

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I though replaying the game would answer the questions i had, not create new ones.

From the narrator in events Rewrite, There is Nothing, and Word of the Day, it is established that gods from first to third are Nozomu, Wires, and Pareidolia (this name was disclosed much later by the god itself). The narrator that tells the setting story of gods in these events does not use any out-of-ordinary textual pattern.

As for the instances of a god imitating another god, you'll get different answers from different folks here. At the bare minimum, there are two instances that I can remember: one is Pareidolia literally telling you about it breaking out of its textual pattern in the beginning of Ch4 (so not really imitating, but you get the idea), and the other one appears in Yasu's An Apple Each Day; according to shifts in textual patterns, third god snatched control, first god snatched it back, then disguised himself as the second god. Reason for this is unknown.

 

[Apollo259]

Since there is nothing interesting really going on here right now, here's a question to spark a discussion that could get heated.

From the MAIN cast (the 20 classroom girls only), which character is the worst written one.

In my opinion it's Uta

I would say Tsuneyo or Yasu. I just feel like their gimmicks leave them kind of stunted as characters. A particular issue being they just slip out of the gimmick at will whenever they need to have a serious moment, or quadrupole down on it whenever comic relief is called for. Although I am open to the argument that the fact they they have a decent amount of character development despite that might actually make it good writing. I'm not sure though.

 

[SlidingSubject]

I would say Tsuneyo or Yasu. I just feel like their gimmicks leave them kind of stunted as characters. A particular issue being they just slip out of the gimmick at will whenever they need to have a serious moment, or quadrupole down on it whenever comic relief is called for. Although I am open to the argument that the fact they they have a decent amount of character development despite that might actually make it good writing. I'm not sure though.

At its core, the main cast are just tropes brought to life. I do think the development means it's good writing, because goddamn, even though Miku's face when she broke down on that one event did look like the Willem Dafoe meme, it didn't stop making me feel for her.

 

[jclark1337]

Okay that's it for now. Ended up being 3 parts but oh well

Spoiler: CH4 0.37 - 0.40 reactions PART 3

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